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6/21/2017 8:25:40 PM
Posted: 10/8/2001 6:34:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2001 6:33:50 PM EDT by ColonelKlink]
Link Posted: 10/8/2001 6:39:51 PM EDT
It will probably turn out to be knock-offs of Barretts or the comparable Russian or Chinese rifle of about this caliber. Garbled news, presented favorably to the VPC. How Stalinist of them. Boy, talk about grasping at straws- don't the Brady Bunch realise they are history?
Link Posted: 10/8/2001 6:40:39 PM EDT
I just read this as well. No sources, no information as to how/when/who sold the firearms. No information as to how they got the information. Nothing. Just "The gun industry sold...." Then of course the propoganda concerning how powerful they are, how they'll "possibly" be deployed etc. These manipulative lieing mouth-pieces of worn out rhetoric need to be flushed.
Link Posted: 10/8/2001 6:54:49 PM EDT
Why dont they give up and go out of business already....
Link Posted: 10/8/2001 7:06:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/8/2001 7:15:37 PM EDT
Consider this... Afganistan, as well as any other country remotely near the former USSR is crawling with 12.7mm guns. (12.7mm is comparible in size & power with the .50BMG) Why the hell would they want a .50 BMG that they couldn't get ammo for when they have tons of 12.7mm guns and ammo? This is simply a way to get their names back in the papers, deflect some of the new self-defense beleivers, and eventually ban the .50BMG. Nothing more.
Link Posted: 10/8/2001 7:30:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2001 7:27:06 PM EDT by warlord]
I can't believe idiots at VPC actually published bull$hit like this. Those folks over there must be smoking something else other than tobacco. Unsubstantiated lies, but something in the back of mine, says "what else is new?" But you know what? I wonder when the mainstream news media is going to pickup this crap, and report it as news?
Link Posted: 10/8/2001 7:49:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/8/2001 7:53:48 PM EDT
That's funny, I haven't heard any complaints about the US tool industry providing box cutters to the terrorists.
Link Posted: 10/8/2001 7:58:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2001 8:02:39 PM EDT by dogbert4-1]
Originally Posted By Tex78: ...Why the hell would they want a .50 BMG that they couldn't get ammo for when they have tons of 12.7mm guns and ammo?
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They wouldn't. I've, hell, we've all seen years and years of film footage from Afghanistan. Anyone recall Western rifles - other than ancient Enfields??? It's all Soviet. The story is complete BS. And another thing, any F*CKING politician use this crisis to further disarm Americans is going to find a second front driving right up his ARSE.
Link Posted: 10/8/2001 10:52:30 PM EDT
Not for anything, but this story could have some substance to it. Now, before you hang me from the highest tree, hold on. I think that the fact that Afghanis were provided .50 cals by the USA is correct, and well documented. The problem here is that I think the "study", or whatever the hell this group with an obvious political agenda wants to call it, uses data in a really fu
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 12:11:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 5:36:55 AM EDT
All the information about the barrets I have found was that it was developed under a contract bid for supply to the Muj however you spell it for engaging Hind Gunships on the airfields at long range. they were especially suited for the role the APIT ammo would be able to ignite the fule in the russian Hinds and destroy them. the rapid fire of the 82A1 would mean once you were zeroed you could engage 11 targets before reloading and moving to a recce area.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 7:48:16 AM EDT
.50BMG is 12.7x99mm Also I thought the Russians use a 14.5mm round for their heavy machineguns and long range rifles? Wouldn't this be what the Afghans have if they have anything in that size?
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 8:14:17 AM EDT
I'll be sending my letters out to these (and other) publications this evening. I trust others are doing the same.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 8:48:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 9:02:12 AM EDT
Well it took some time, and I called Naomi at VPC and asked for her sources. She explained that the source for the "press release", (I asked about her "online article") is VPC's own "Voting From the Rooftops" by Tom Diaz. Diaz on page 26 of his "article" says, "Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda has acquired at least 25 Barrett 50 caliber rifles." He states his source as: (see page 85 - source #93): Transcript of trial, United States of America v. Usuama bin Laden, et al., United States District Court, Southern District of New York, February 14, 2001, pp. 556-667; "Al-Qaed's Business Empire," Jane's Intelligence Review (August 1, 2001) Anyone have access to the original's on these? If you read Tom Diaz's bio, it's clear that he is preaching to his own anti-gun choir. I'd like to see the real transcript of this trial and Jane's Article. Just because David Koresh quotes from the Bible, doesn't mean "HIS" interpretations are accurate. If you really want to get pissed off at this 100+ page of propaganda, download and read it. It's 4MB.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 9:06:07 AM EDT
(Continued from above) Expect VPC to demand banning the sale of night vision optics and "range-finders" because snipers use them. (See page 28) Next will be binoculars and floppy camo hats....
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 9:34:51 AM EDT
(Follow Up) According to the VPC article, during the trial Essam al Ridi stated he shipped 25 50-caliber rifles to Al Qaeda. While searching for "Essam al Ridi", I found the following: http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/01040558.htm http://members.aol.com/bardonia/part19.htm Apparently Essam al Ridi did have connections to bin Laden including buying a decommissioned plane T-39 aircraft and handing it over to bin Laden in Khartoum (see last link above.)
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 9:48:19 AM EDT
Hmmmm.... Seeing as VPC can find information on these bozos better than the entire US intelligence community, maybe they will pass on the information? They won't, because the entire story is bullshit. Like someone above said, "The gun industry sold..." followed by nothing but propaganda. Not a single fact to support the allegation. They must [b]really[/b] be desperate.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 10:02:48 AM EDT
I hope that VPC notifies the Office of Homeland Defense with this information, seeing that they now have a friend running that agency.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 10:15:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tex78: Consider this... Afganistan, as well as any other country remotely near the former USSR is crawling with 12.7mm guns. (12.7mm is comparible in size & power with the .50BMG) Why the hell would they want a .50 BMG that they couldn't get ammo for when they have tons of 12.7mm guns and ammo? This is simply a way to get their names back in the papers, deflect some of the new self-defense beleivers, and eventually ban the .50BMG. Nothing more.
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there full of shit there making up a scare tactic to gets Guns banned. but what the hell were still going to be victim's eather by bin laden or by our own government.
Link Posted: 10/9/2001 3:31:44 PM EDT
The Jane's article isn't much. It's mentioned in a sidebar along with a laundry list of other things, but it does mention Barrett .50 caliber files. No further information, just the mention.
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