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Posted: 9/29/2001 11:39:11 AM EDT
I was wondering what you guys think about Heckler & Koch weapons. Like the HK33A2 5.56mm Rifle and the G3A3 7.62mm Rifle. I heard that they are very good Germans guns. Does anyone know what they cost? [img]http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/Media/hk33a2_sm.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/Media/g3a3_sm.jpg[/img] How do they compare with say, M-16a2 and AR-15's? Also my friend is in the Marines, and he keeps on telling me that they are going to stop using the M-16's and switch over to I believe Heckler & Koch. I know he said it was a German gun maker so I think he said it was them. Did anyone here anything like that?
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 11:39:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 11:44:17 AM EDT
The HK91 and 93 are generally available for about $2K. But not to you, because you live in the wrong state. Your friend in the Marines is incorrect. The M16 series isn't going anywhere in the near future. The HK series is known for reliability but it is relatively heavy and not known as a "user-friendly" rifle.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 11:46:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2001 11:47:29 AM EDT by Waverunner]
Really expensive, I'll stick with my AR's but I wouldn't mind owning an H&K MP5 someday.[heavy]
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 11:47:52 AM EDT
Germans are real good at making guns. Taking over the world?? nope. My ars will always be in the first row of the safe.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 11:51:33 AM EDT
The HK33 civilian model is called the HK93. The cost varies between $2000 - 2500 dollars. Magazines are expensive and hard to find. It is heavier that the AR15 and not modular at all. Further parts are not readably available. It offers no advantage to the AR15/M16 weapons system. The G3 civilian model is called the HK91. Magazines and parts are readably available at the moment for affordable prices. It cost around 1800 - 2500 for a pre-ban model. It is an accurate and reliable .308 rifle. Currently there are many post ban clones available for sale at prices below $1000 dollars. Greek and Portuguese clones are the best since they are made under license from HK. Special weapons currently makes several new parts for this rifle as well. If you want to know more about this let me know. I love a G3 for is aesthetics and function, buy one if you can afford it. I personally feel the HK33/HK93 is lacking as a competitor to the AR15/M16. Your mileage may vary. The Azalin
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 11:52:24 AM EDT
They are more rugged then a AR due to there not being any gas system. They also fire a different round and are known to be a accurate rifle. And if you brought up these rifles thinking they will be US issue you are far from the truth. If the US where to even think of switching the M16 it wouldnt be for the OLD HK weapons, it would most likely be for the G36. And no the M16 will no be replaced anyways so dont get your hopes up. The only standard issue HK weapons you should see will be MP5's and OICW's in the military.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 11:56:43 AM EDT
Ah G36? Is that a really new model from H&K? What is the differences?
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 12:24:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bubbleboyjones: Ah G36? Is that a really new model from H&K? What is the differences?
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It came out in 1999, you can get the info on a HK's web site.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 12:36:23 PM EDT
Solidly made and reliable, the .223 version is a scaled down version of the .308 so it is probably the strongest action in it's class. If everything else were equal I would say get one or both! But, for the prices they seem to go for you can get something as good, a crapload of ammo and extra mags , tactical vest AND a nice Becker patrol pack and still be able to take the wife to dinner!
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 12:41:44 PM EDT
Your Marine friend my have been thinking of the OICW/SABR as replacing the M16. HK is on the design team that produced one of the prototypes, but no final design has been selected.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 1:16:42 PM EDT
I shot this G36 at our last shoot. You could not give me one of these pieces of crap. It's like shooting a large screen television. [img]http://www.cableone.net/uziforme/johnhk.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 1:54:55 PM EDT
I love my H&K Tactical, but you pay a premium for the name and I hear their customer service is below average. An AR or M1A is a better choice for a rifle and the Sig is a better choice for a pistol.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 2:17:02 PM EDT
I love my sp-89 and would to get me a usp45 I had a usp 9mm and I loved it!
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 2:21:07 PM EDT
I would trade my gf for a full auto MP5.. then again I would probably trade her for a m16 or M60 also... Ropes
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 2:38:40 PM EDT
Until recent years the HK ergonomics were a product of what I like to refer to as the "CHEWBACCA" devision of HK, where every firearm that came out of their design center was as if it were intended to be used by overly large handed people or wookies. Only thing I liked about HK rifles was the location of the charging handle, don't really know why but since I'm a right handed shooter it was a nice location. Most of my shooting with an AR15 is from the prone position behind a high magnification scope, using the charging handle on an AR15 usually means you can't keep your sight picture and charge your rifle or clear a malfuction. With the HK charging handle location it would be a much easier task without having to move nearly as much as with the AR15.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 2:41:53 PM EDT
I love HK. I think they are "one" of the best out there. For now, I only own one HK. HK USP .40. I would LOVE to have an HK91. Just wish they wasnt so expensive. I still love that AR of mine though.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 3:02:06 PM EDT
love them I have all civilian modles excecpt for the PSG1[>(]ran out of money. They are expensive. They are little heavy, I have big hands so the egronomics dose not bother me. they are fast becoming collectors items only(Idon't shoot mine much) If your only looking for a shooter I would stay away from them. Like It's allready been said If its stamped HK it's expencive example Obendorf scope mount 300-500 depending condition, sling 70.00. I shoot my ar's keep the hk's locked up.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 3:42:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 5:21:56 AM EDT by drfcolt]
HK's are the about only line besides the M16 that you can take a legally registered sear/DIAS/LL and use it in mutiple platforms to get select-fire in several calibers. Easier and cheaper with the M16, though. Just need another upper. Not another receiver, plus the SBR thing once you pull your registered pack out of your short HK94, ... Of course you have some of the same legal crap with the M16 stuff, if your dealing with a DIAS or LL. It's an open-field with a factory M16 or RR. One thing about the HK, you can get into select-fire .308 with a registered sear-pack. Can't do that with an M16, be it factory, RR, DIAS, or LL. That's my next move. Got everything collected for my HK-91 except the registered sear in an SEF pack. Still have to put the Knights RAS and Harris bipod on this bad-boy. Wanted a hi-cap, select-fire 7.62 and this is going to be it. Not a belt-fed, but it'll do. Drum will hold 80 rounds. Plus it'll let me get into an MP-5K (SP89) down the road. No problem swapping the sear-pack between the SP89 (pistol) and HK-91 (20" long-gun). Should be controllable as hell. Weighs 25-lbs unloaded. Gonna fire this off of the bipod only. Can't hold it to fire from the shoulder. Drum's in the way. [url]albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=258760&a=10577068&p=54633227[/url] [url]albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=258760&a=10577068&p=54667288[/url] [url]albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=258760&a=10577068&p=54667289[/url] [url]albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=258760&a=10577068&p=54667290[/url] Other posts are right. You pay premium for the HK stuff and supplies will probably be less and less in the future and hence cost more and more. AR-15/M-16 stuff will be available forever. It's all made right here.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 4:51:53 PM EDT
The HK line of rifles and pistols are fantastic. You can't go wrong with them. I have had a HK94 and a HK93. I loved them both,but the AR is my first choice. I currently have quite a few HK handguns. I LOVE THE P7M8!!! Stay Safe!
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 5:16:54 PM EDT
I won't ever give up my H&K USP's.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 5:17:28 PM EDT
I won't ever give up my H&K USP's.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 5:18:50 PM EDT
well built but ugly.
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 5:25:34 PM EDT
DRFCOLT 'Drool' Where did you find the HK drum and how much???
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 5:47:21 PM EDT
Dennis Todd. It's not HK. Made by "HASAB" and is good for any 7.62 and different platforms with feed-tower changes. Comes with a loader. Price: $1,600
Link Posted: 9/29/2001 9:19:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2001 9:42:37 PM EDT by njogi]
David_Hineline I would not have said that after just shooting half a mag first from "our" G36 in that pic and coming back and finishing off the rest later due to "cease fire" called. Your comment was just to hastily made. Just like any gun, you need to know and have shot more of it before making that judgement. g36 has a lot of advantages than one thinks. Like very gun, they look and feel different from others, and you really have to shoot more than one mag to know it's capability. http://www.hkpro.com/G36.htm HK MP5, MP5K, UMP45,MP5SD, HK53, HK21E, HK91(semi) and G36 are very good weapons we own and have provided us with lots of fun and showed us the appreciation for German Engineering. G36C in on its way! But every one has opinions and I respect that.
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