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Posted: 2/27/2001 4:39:23 AM EDT
[url]http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0551-0600/ab_566_bill_20010221_introduced.html[/url] ________________________________________ So here we go again, just as some of us registered our "assault weapons", they want em back! What y'all think?
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 4:41:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2001 4:51:50 AM EDT by Garmentless]
They can't have them "back". My firearms never belonged to them in the first place! [:(!]
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 4:43:53 AM EDT
WOW a whole $100 for a gun worth over $600. MAN what a deal!!!! When do I sign up??? BISHOP
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 4:52:46 AM EDT
This is just one of the first rumblings. Just wait for the big whammy. You know, now that they have all of the details like, name, address, makes, models, serial #s, all of that [i]vital, sensitive,[/i] info on the registration form. Naaa. I wouldn't worry about it.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 4:58:16 AM EDT
Law enforcement agencies receiving weapons through this program shall either retain the weapons for testing, training, and demonstration purposes, or destroy the weapons. (d) Owners of assault weapons are eligible to receive one hundred dollars ($100) from the department per weapon relinquished to a participating law enforcement agency. WHAT??? These people can't be serious! Bet they get LOTS of takers for this.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 5:02:55 AM EDT
Maybe I should start my own gun buyback program. I will buy anyones pre-ban M4 for $150, so that you will not be burdened with owning such an evil weapon. Plus since you live in a communist state and can never shoot it anyway you might as well sell it to someone who will enjoy it. Me!
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 5:05:24 AM EDT
Not wanting to start a flame war,But, just what did you guy expect??? This is all part of the plan, Next on the list is handguns, Remember, folks, Cali is the "Model" of what's coming if they can jam it down their throats out there,They'll try it elsewhere, If you guys can't leave then you might want to start buying some plastic pipe and some caps,
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 5:09:35 AM EDT
"just what did you guy expect??? This is all part of the plan, Next on the list is handguns, Remember, folks, Cali is the "Model" of what's coming if they can jam it down their throats out there,They'll try it elsewhere" This is true. Just a preview of coming attractions for the rest of us.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 5:48:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2001 5:57:38 AM EDT by HKgnnr]
I'd rather send you guys $100 for ammo to 'dump' their way. [rail] How in the hell did these a-holes ever get elected?
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 5:51:45 AM EDT
I am sooooooooooo, sooooooooooo glad that I moved out of California!!!! KMA you MF's!!!
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 5:53:47 AM EDT
What Registration? Was there something I missed?
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 5:57:51 AM EDT
So... these morons are asleep at the switch when it comes to providing reliable power to the voters, pretty much ignoring an essential ingredient of a modern economy. Meanwhile, they waste their time and your resources coming up with this stupid plan. Plan A: I recommend all of the AW owners take them to the capital....pick a day...any day... arriving simultaneously. Ten minutes later, you have regained control of the government, just like the 2nd amendment intended. Plan B: Vote with your feet. Take their tax base away. Let all of the undocumented foreigners, welfare mommas, convicted felons and Hollywood trash pay the bills in Utopia.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 6:19:07 AM EDT
Don't EVER register. Stop shooting them if it means keeping them. Do you love going to the range and shooting your AR so much that you're willing to lose it? Hide'em. Or move.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 6:34:21 AM EDT
I'm gonna set my self on fire here, but there is SOME logic to this. Some criminals might get rid of some of their weapons to support their crack habbit........? I could be wrong. But I still think this is a pretty dumb idea. Nomex on.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 6:38:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HKgnnr: I'd rather send you guys $100 for ammo to 'dump' their way. [rail] How in the hell did these a-holes ever get elected?
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These fools got elected because the entire Hispanic population votes for them (a majority in California). They think the Democratic party will do something wonderful for them. It never ceases to amaze me, though, because most of the Hispanics I know have very conservative values.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 6:44:26 AM EDT
I don't live in California so you can take what I say with a grain of salt. No. 1 They aren't proposing any new legislation restricting the right to own a AW. If you own one now and it's registered your ok for now. No. 2 It just seems like it's their lame attempt to correct what they thought was a bright idea by having people register. Now that the deadline for registering has passed the numbers aren't jiving and they know there is one heck of alot of AW out there that aren't registered. I don't know how these brainiacs can for a minute think that someone that didn't register his prize rifle the first time is going to part with it for $100. From the numbers I've seen I don't believe they have enough jail space to start any kind of organized crack and track down of unregistered weapons. Their just trying to wittle the numbers down and their hoping that people that didn't register are maybe getting scared and worried enough to give them up. And hey what do they care. Their not paying for it. Their just using the people that registered's money, (didn't you guys pay $20 or so to register?) against other gun owners. While they dangle the no criminal procecution carrot in front of you. No. 3 I wouldn't worry now, in three years when the bill expires is the time to worry. That's when these weasles are going to say ok we gave them their chance now lets get em. At this time I believe they will introduce legislation to ban all AW, and unless you bought yours privatly there is some kind of paper trail on it and you'll be on their list for confiscation. You can just take these thoughts as the ramblings of guy that's been around for quite a while and has seen the way that an idiot's mind works.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 6:44:46 AM EDT
When I first heard of the Californication proposal for registration of "assualt" weapons, I made this comment to friends: "The federal government will us this as a testing grounds to see what kind of compliance they get with the order. If they get good comliance, let's say 50% or better, then they will make plans to impliment the order nationwide." It's not there yet, but you Californians are allowing them to further cement what will be inevitable nationwide, "firearms confiscation"! Good luck to you. Maybe it's time for all gun owning Californians to march to the state capitol in a non-violent protest. They do recognize the vote. Maybe more now that they lost their beloved AL Gore with a few votes. "I wonder?!?!?!?!? If I own a "HUMMER", should I call it an SUV? It seems to me that all we, (the general public), are doing is applying the military terms to the gear that they have and use. I mean after all, "THEY/THE GOVERNMENT" came up with the terms first! Now I guess you could say that, "you", "not me" are giving up your 1st and 2nd amendment rights because you are afraid of what you own and what you call it! As for me, I'm as peaceful as you get! Let "THEM" prove I'm not." One more thing. "Just remember there are more of us than there are them". Thanks for indulging me for a moment, Lee
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 8:41:46 AM EDT
I encouraged evenyone NOT TO COMPLY with unConstitutional laws. I reasoned, begged, and badgered anyone that would listen not to register. On this very site, I read people calling me a wacko because I said this kind of thing would happen. They said, "I registerred my other assault weapons ten years ago and I'm still shooting them. They will never move to take them away." If this passes, it will take very little to just make the sale to the state manditory. Ants
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 8:56:03 AM EDT
With $100 you people could buy alot of Starbucks! After all the most important things to kalidiots are designer coffees, goatees, and cell phones. Guns are somewhere around hacky-sacks and courduroy pants on the list of vital items.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 9:01:06 AM EDT
Don't forget, that $100 is a rebate from the government and probably taxable as income.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 9:15:28 AM EDT
my impression is that this is an anmesty move for those WHO DID NOT REGISTER - turn them in NOW for a token amount OR get hammered with a class one felony later..... if i were just a little more paranoid - this would remind me of the sublte legal manouvering by the nsadp to outlaw jewish rights in the 30's - first close all exits, and then liquidate steve
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 9:26:58 AM EDT
[url]http://pages.hotbot.com/politics/jonah1/turner.html[/url] I'm sure the majority of you guys are familiar with the above link. When I stumbled upon this a while back, I was intrigued and read the first 8 chapters in one afternoon. I really lost interest the further I read, and wound up putting it down around chapter 15. It's a shame that it turned into a MAJOR racial agenda, but I would highly recommend reading the first few chapters. It is based more on the way the govternment took away their guns and their attempts to counter the govternment actions. If you have a weak stomach, please don't read any further than the first few chapters. This is NOT a personal endorsement, and in no way reflects my personal opinions. It is simply an interesting fictional read. You have been warned. [:O]
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 9:28:07 AM EDT
They won't get mine - I didn't register! [-!-]
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 9:41:33 AM EDT
It's an amnesty program for someone in possession of an unregistered AW. It has no effect on registered AW's. It also has no effect on someone who has an unregistered AW and does not want to utilize the program. In any case who cares? What disturbs me is the clause that allows for private contributions. Anytime a govermental agency accepts private contributions for these types of programs it's a bad thing. We'll have to wait and see if it's enacted. Does anyone know what it's chances are of becoming law?
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 10:22:01 AM EDT
You know if I lived in Kalifornia and had an unregistered AR, AK, or other such evil rifle that I was worried about having I would: Strip it, "sell them" the reciever and sell the rest here at AR-15.com. $100 is a pretty good price for a used post ban stripped reciever. Every time I see one of these "buybacks" I wish I had a bucket full of $50 Jennings!
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 11:27:42 AM EDT
They allocated $600k to advertise this, and for the BS23/RR combined, they allocated $125k. This amounted to a few posters and a little air time. Biased POS. SEC. 2. The sum of one million seven hundred fifty thousand dollars ($1,750,000) is hereby appropriated to the Department of Justice for the purposes of this program, and shall be allocated as follows: one million dollars ($1,000,000) for purchase of assault weapons, six hundred thousand dollars ($600,000) for public education, and one hundred fifty thousand dollars ($150,000) for administrative expenses. Any funds not expended on the program at the time of its termination shall revert to the General Fund. +++++++
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 3:28:32 PM EDT
Why did the SKS command more of a premium? Was/is it a better rifle?
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 3:55:21 PM EDT
Seems like the schedule has been pushed up to me. Energy situation to prime the pump of a cash outflow from the middle class. A new registration program to pinpoint the the weapons they fear. A "Pre-Cursory" buyback program initiated. Whats next? I would assume the the sheeple of Kalifornica will bend over, a position they learn young.... They will hand in all sorts of stuff for next to nothing....as they need to keep their cars in fuel, their homes heated with big time expensive natural gas etc. Perhaps the best trip up to the implemntation of the new schedule is an "Interruption" of the transmission lines of the latest cash outflow. We are watching and waiting???? We are not affecting change???? We are NOT the blood of the true Patriots that penned the bill of rights???? I suppose everyone has drawn their imaginary lines at one point or another that they "Say" they will not stand for. Well stand for something dammit.... Perhaps the weapons we have are outdated anyway. Space based weapons systems to melt your brain are nearly online I speculate. Railgun....[rail]
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 4:42:00 PM EDT
It won't pass. Gun buyback programs have been proven time and time again to be ineffective. What scares me is that these mental midgets keep coming up with this stuff. But think about it. We already have hundreds of thousands of laws, the legislaters must be running out of things to legislate. You'd think that $1.75M could go a lot further for the public good on some other program.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 4:54:51 PM EDT
Grrrrrrrr....[:(!] Has it even been a month????
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 5:11:27 PM EDT
First of all, $1,000,000 only covers 10,000 weapons at $100 each. Not very many I would think. Second, they MAIL you a check. You don't even get the cash at time of transfer. At a typical buyback, if its cash, you get it right there. Question: If its a stolen one, does the original owner get it back? Will they even check serial numbers?
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 5:51:29 PM EDT
....probably not knowing how this state operates. They'll probably put a clause in to justify not checking if it's stolen. It would cost them $$$ to use the resources to check if they were stolen. Last thing they want to do is spend money so we can be entitled to our rights, they'd rather allocate that money to help take them away.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 6:10:03 PM EDT
The ONLY good thing (if there is anything good about this) is that IF those of you that rightfully did not register in PRK would have a chance of not having to end up a PRK Felon... Like I meant this sucks .. but at least you will not be barred from owning anything you can own IF you hand them over... (better than handing them over and getting nothing and then becoming a PRK felon and losing other rights..) No I am not a lawyer .. and I don't even play one on TV... Ted...
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 6:23:53 PM EDT
What adeal for a criminal he could use the gun in a crime and turn it in for another 100bucks no ?s asked.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 7:12:37 PM EDT
Could I buy a bunch of those $39 relics from Federal Arms, whip up a bunch of pistol grips from scrap wood, and sell them to CA for $100 each?
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 7:42:24 PM EDT
Damnit MadMatt, you're giving away the plan! :) This effort is so transparent! What a bunch of fvck-nuts these guys are! Registration was a complete failure, so now they offer this plan in an effort to save face. It's nothing more than that. Personally, if this bill passes and then no one shows up for the buyback, it may just be another nail in their coffin. Maybe then people will begin to realize RR89 and SB23 are a joke.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 8:00:26 PM EDT
I believe a mass exodus would be a good thing,as it would have a favorable effect on the tax base further reducing the funds to a state government which has already proven it is opressive and financially irresponsible. I would think many of you could do much better in other areas. Good luck on your relocation.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 8:24:44 PM EDT
Don't forget:
[B]A person arrested[/B] for possession of an unregistered assault weapon who asserts that he or she was at the time of their arrest in the act of transporting the weapon to a law enforcement agency in order to participate in this program [B]shall bear the burden of proof of establishing this fact[/B] as an affirmative defense
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So they will set-up road blocks just to arrest all of these people trying to dump their guns... PROVE IT!!! BISHOP
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 8:39:29 PM EDT
Maybe leaving Kali would be a good idea but I'm staying behind enemy lines. The Socialist Democrats in power would just love it if all gun owners left the state. I won't give them the satisfaction. I've got family in TX and NM so I may have to relocate my weapons. I don't think the law will pass. The govenor in Kali has stated he does not want more gun-control laws until the effectiveness of existing laws has been determined. We'll see.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 10:25:18 PM EDT
Ban I'm glad I don't live in Nazifornia! I was born there though, but don't tell anyone. Anyone in Ca that wants more money for your guns let me know. I got a preban SP1 Colt from cali for only 700 New in box. Glad the guy contacted me with the price, because I might have lost sleep for ripping somone of like that.
Link Posted: 2/27/2001 10:59:22 PM EDT
anyone find beat up SKS's for $25 or less, I gots an Idea here.............. wonder how much we could make??? [:D]
Link Posted: 2/28/2001 12:13:47 AM EDT
STOP EM DEAD IN THEIR TRACKS IF THEY DO NOT HAVE AN FFL TO PURCHASE FIREARMS, ITS A FELONY! Video tape their activity as evidence, then everyone get on the stick a press thr FEDS to charge em!
Link Posted: 2/28/2001 1:42:41 AM EDT
RKBar15 is paying attention. This is an amnesty program. There are people who for whatever reasons decided not to register and now probably regret it. A lot of others simply did not know about the law. Sure, it's all a bunch of garbage but it really upsets the troops. The guy who follows the law will keep his rifle.
Link Posted: 2/28/2001 2:47:41 AM EDT
I think the point that is being missed is that it appears that LOTS of people didn't register. And that puts the non-registered AW owners in good position, and makes the california elite nervous. I'm glad there was mass disobedience. I had heard something like 37,000 aplications were received at an average 1.5 guns per ap. That seems like a paltry amount when you figure that California is the largest state in the nation. I'd guess there could be up to a million so called AWs there.
Link Posted: 2/28/2001 10:07:32 AM EDT
It is common sense and reasonable that the state is going to allow you to continue with the privilege to own guns if you just turn in the firearms that you people wrongly refused to register. What good did it do you? You can't shoot in competitions or participate in other sport sporting activities and it is obvious that you were never serious about the gun hobby in the first place otherwise you would have complied with the law.
Link Posted: 2/28/2001 10:24:58 AM EDT
I have a quick little story, a guy at work refused to register his AR's and the other day related his indecision to me over whether or not he should buy from another individual an uregistered AR. This person would have never even thought of this illegal transaction before but now that he has crossed the not registering line, he finds himself debating the illegal transfer line. Funny how people operate, just goes to show you that sometime the best course of action requires remaining on the right side of the law. I wish the Legislature would have never done this, but I'm committed to maintain what rights I can by adhering to the statute.
Link Posted: 2/28/2001 11:01:02 AM EDT
While we're on the topic. Do you guys think they will add anymore weapons they missed to the Rossi list in the near future?? like FALs, etc??
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