Hot off the presses.....LINK


Israel is negotiating with the United States for permission to fly over Iraq as part of a plan to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.

To conduct surgical air strikes against Iran's nuclear programme, Israeli war planes would need to fly across Iraq. But to do so the Israeli military authorities in Tel Aviv need permission from the Pentagon......

It is looking like it is really going to start heating up in the middle east.  Things should get really interesting in the coming months.

From the link:

"A senior Israeli defence official said negotiations were now underway between the two countries for the US-led coalition in Iraq to provide an "air corridor" in the event of the Israeli government deciding on unilateral military action to prevent Teheran developing nuclear weapons."

Why would "A senior Israeli defence official" say jack about this to a British newsrag?

Brinksmanship?  Or are we masking the true source, like possibly a leak from MNF(I)? Or maybe just making shit up.

Quoted: Brinksmanship?  Or are we masking the true source, like possibly a leak from MNF(I)? Or maybe just making shit up.

Some politics for sure. They certainly have shown resolve in the past by hitting the Iraq
reactors in the 80's. I wouldn't dismiss their words at this point.

Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state.

Peace Train

I hope Israel will wait for us to get our ducks in a row, I doubt they can do it alone. As to why it was leaked, probably to let Iran know we are serious and the constant threats their wackjob pres makes all the time are being taken serious.

Great article, AP.  Here's Israel's very predictable response.

HH
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Sneh denies report of planned Israeli attack on Iran

By JPOST.COM STAFF

Deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh denied on Saturday a report in the British Daily Telegraph that Israel was negotiating with the United States for permission to use Iraqi air space in an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

The report claimed that Israel plans to conduct surgical air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities, although did not specify which installments Israel would strike.

According to Sneh, no such plan exists. He added that the reports hailed from sources that wished to renounce responsibility for a lack of diplomatic action towards the Iranian nuclear threat.

The Telegraph said that if such an operation were in the offing, Israel would need to seek permission from the Pentagon.

The newspaper quoted a senior Israeli defense official who told reporters that negotiations were now underway between the two countries for the US-led coalition in Iraq to provide an "air corridor" in the event of the Knesset deciding on unilateral military action to prevent Teheran developing nuclear weapons."

"We are planning for every eventuality, and sorting out issues such as these are crucially important," said the official, who asked not to be named.

"The only way to do this is to fly through US-controlled air space. If we don't sort these issues out now we could have a situation where American and Israeli war planes start shooting at each other."

On Thursday night, Israeli officials urged "crisper" and "faster" moves to sanction Iran after a UN report found the Islamic republic had expanded its program to obtain nuclear weapons.

Iran ignored the UN's deadline last Wednesday to halt uranium enrichment. Officials will discuss arms controls and whether to cut back on the $25 billion worth of export credits that are used by European companies to trade with Iran.

i wonder if the us would actually shoot down an israeli plane.

It'll make things a Hell of a lot more difficult for us if they try.

Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train

What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery
photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939.

Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939.

Iran is not a threat, Isreal is.

Right now, I'd say it's 50/50 as to who attacks first....what I do believe is that someone WILL do it at some point.  

GW has made numerous promises Iran won't have nukes, and Israel cannot afford them to have them.

Take your pick....

HH

The Iraqis would have a shit fit if this was allowed.

Quoted: i wonder if the us would actually shoot down an israeli plane.

I doubt that, unless by mistake.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939. Iran is not a threat, Isreal is.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939. Iran is not a threat, Isreal is.

+1

Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train

I'll see that and raise you a Don Cornelius.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939. Iran is not a threat, Isreal is.

I appreciate your response--I'll remember to pass on future responses due to extreme ignorance.

HH

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939. Iran is not a threat, Isreal is.

I have never heard the head of state of Israel threaten the US the way Irans president does.

I will admit that it sucks we may have to attack Iran, from everything I read the Iranian people are good people that would be prowest if it wasnt for the assholes runing the country. A lot of innocent Irans will die unfortunatly, but given choice between us and them, seems like an easy choice to me

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939. Iran is not a threat, Isreal is.

WTH are you talking about?

View from Hitlers hide away retreat. How dare the Allies attack Germany

I am sure Israel is going to tell some paper what their plans are.


That makes a lot of sense.


They should just send Iran a letter saying we are going to attack you.

Quoted: Iran is not a threat, Isreal is.

So, why don't you tell us exactly why "Isreal" is a threat to the U.S., and Iran is not?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939. Iran is not a threat, Isreal is.

Earthquake in Columbia kills thousands, U.N. issues condemnation of Israel.


Sound familiar?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939. Iran is not a threat, Isreal is.

Why don't you get back to the Front. Your ignorance is shown by more than your spelling.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939. Iran is not a threat, Isreal is. WTH are you talking about?

That's just it, he has no freaking idea what he's talking about.

Quoted: Quoted: Iran is not a threat, Isreal is. So, why don't you tell us exactly why "Isreal" is a threat to the U.S., and Iran is not?

This should be fun.....

HH

Yeah, let's let Israel take care of Iran. They're closer to the problem (would be the first to be nuked) and can better weigh the risk of letting Iran have nukes against the risk of war. We should provide them anything they need to get the job done.

What's the matter, STRATIOTES?

Are you afraid to answer?

Quoted: What's the matter, STRATIOTES? Are you afraid to answer?

I work over a 100 hours a week,  playtime is limited.

Israel is a tiny nation that exists only because America supports it, and just like a stupid little brother Israel is always starting fights with the neighbor kids and then threatens them "my big brother" will beat you up if you retaliate.

Israel is going to start one to many wars and lose them along with the U.S.  

Quoted: Quoted: What's the matter, STRATIOTES? Are you afraid to answer? I work over a 100 hours a week,  playtime is limited. Israel is a tiny nation that exists only because America supports it, and just like a stupid little brother Israel is always starting fights with the neighbor kids and then threatens them "my big brother" will beat you up if you retaliate. Israel is going to start one to many wars and lose them along with the U.S.

You're entitled to your opinion about all that.

But you didn't answer specifically why Iran is not a threat to the United States.

So why aren't they?

Quoted: Quoted: What's the matter, STRATIOTES? Are you afraid to answer? I work over a 100 hours a week,  playtime is limited. Israel is a tiny nation that exists only because America supports it, and just like a stupid little brother Israel is always starting fights with the neighbor kids and then threatens them "my big brother" will beat you up if you retaliate. Israel is going to start one to many wars and lose them along with the U.S.

Have to disagree with that sir. Israel has been in many fights, but to my knowledge have they never started one.

Look at their last trip into Lebanon. Hamas was fireing missles into their northern population centers, what the hell else should they have done?

I guess they could just allow themselves to be slaughtered to achieve "peace".

Quoted: But you didn't answer specifically why Iran is not a threat to the United States. So why aren't they?

Iran has no ability to project conventional force (including nukes) onto mainland America.

If the U.S. uses WMD against Iran or Israel uses WMD against Iran, then Iran is justified in using bioweapons against the aggressors, and there is simply no reasonable defence against such warfare, in simulations of bio-attacks in various cities across the U.S. the results were the same, the U.S. can not stop a bio-attack but they can certainly provoke one if they keep up with unjustified aggression.

Okay, so let's level Iran.

Quoted: Iran has no ability to project conventional force (including nukes) onto mainland America.

Neither did al-Qaida, and look what they pulled off.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

And Iran has resources and Latin American connections that al-Qaida could only dream of having.

If the U.S. uses WMD against Iran or Israel uses WMD against Iran

Why would we use WMDs first?

Israel wouldn't either.

, then Iran is justified in using bioweapons against the aggressors,

Wrong, Iran IS and has been the aggressor for decades.

They are responsible for the deaths of HUNDREDS of American service members and civilians, thousands of Iraqis as well.

and there is simply no reasonable defence against such warfare, in simulations of bio-attacks in various cities across the U.S. the results were the same, the U.S. can not stop a bio-attack but they can certainly provoke one if they keep up with unjustified aggression.

You just said they can't attack us here, are you disputing yourself?

What is this "unjustified aggression" you speak of?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939. Iran is not a threat, Isreal is. WTH are you talking about? That's just it, he has no freaking idea what he's talking about.

Just another DU troll outing himself.

Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train

Uh huh.

Quoted: Quoted: But you didn't answer specifically why Iran is not a threat to the United States. So why aren't they? Iran has no ability to project conventional force (including nukes) onto mainland America. If the U.S. uses WMD against Iran or Israel uses WMD against Iran, then Iran is justified in using bioweapons against the aggressors, and there is simply no reasonable defence against such warfare, in simulations of bio-attacks in various cities across the U.S. the results were the same, the U.S. can not stop a bio-attack but they can certainly provoke one if they keep up with unjustified aggression.

Naive thinking - if we don't bother them they won't bother us. If it were that simple to accomplish a large scale bio-attack Iran would have already funded the Palis/Hamas/Hezbollah to pull it off in Israel.

We may give them permission, but will Jordan, Saudi Arabia, or even Turkey? I doubt it.

...and fuck Cat Stevens

It seems the very basic precept of tangling alliances is lost on the arfcom kiddies.

Conservative values mean staying home and taking care of our own busyness, leave foreign nations alone.

Quoted: It seems the very basic precept of tangling alliances is lost on the arfcom kiddies.

Ah, dodging questions as usual I see...

I guess you just don't have it in you to back up your assertions.

Conservative values mean staying home and taking care of our own busyness, leave foreign nations alone.

Wrong, outdated Isolationist values mean 'staying home and taking care of "busyness" and leaving foreign nations alone'...

What the Hell is "busyness", by the way?

Quoted: It seems the very basic precept of tangling alliances is lost on the arfcom kiddies. Conservative values mean staying home and taking care of our own busyness, leave foreign nations alone.

I am all for that, except when they hijack airplanes and crash them into my buildings. Then I figure I have the right to go over there and tell them how to live right, including not building nukes while screaming and chanting " Death to America ".

Wow

Quoted: We may give them permission, but will Jordan, Saudi Arabia, or even Turkey? I doubt it.

I don't think the countries you mention really want Iran to have nucular weapons anymore than we do.

Iran is a peaceful nation just listen to their leaders! They are being forced on the path of war much like Germany was in 1938 all they wanted was peace!

National Socialist Germany wants peace because of its fundamental convictions. And it wants peace also owing to the realization of the simple primitive fact that no war would be likely essentially to alter the distress in Europe... The principal effect of every war is to destroy the flower of the nation... Germany needs peace and desires peace!
Adolph Hitler
Speech to the Reichstag in Berlin May 1935

By the way I have a bridge in Brooklyn and some beach front property in Arizona I’m tying to sell cheap.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels

Quoted: Quoted: Modern nation states can not win a 4th generation war with super-power weapons, if they continue aggressive action Isreal will cease to be a stable state. Peace Train What a load of horse s**t that was. I am sure there are some beautiful scenery photos of the Bavarian mountains taken in 1939.

Horseshit was the FIRST word that came into my head when i read that post.
I love how all of sudden becuase we lost 3000 people suddenly Iran is the Collossal Atlas that should not be messed with! What a joke. In the eastern front in WWII guess how long it took for 3000 people to die from war? 1 week? 1 month? 1 day? Try 4 HOURS! yes about 18000 people died every day for 4 years, yet we cringe at these bafoons. Im no war monger but this is bullshit cowardice plain and simple on the part of Politicians and "peaceniks" and The maddinnerjacket thanks you.
      Before i thought it would be a bad idea to let Israel do the striking, but the more i look at the politics of the situation the more i see it is feasable. Reason? The Sunnis want a nuclear Iran less than we do! Yet becuase of "the Umma" they cannot say so in public especially with Israel involved. They HATE the fact that the Shia star is on the rise. As ususal the Politics are deep and complex and require a lot of "unsaid" facts.
Suppose Israel DOES decide to go ahead and the Pentagon gives the green light for a flyover. Look at a map, they still have to fly over Jordan or Syria. They WILL pick Jordan. Syria is TOO unpredicatable and support Hezzbollah too much and they are Allawi Shia! So, What will the Jordanian response be? The initial flyover will be ignored, hear no evil see no evil. Then once its confirmed that Iran has been attacked in order to appease the Arab street they will make a half assed attempt to "defend" Jordanian airspace. they will fire a few anti-aircraft guns and give their pilots the wrong coords to look for the Israeli jets. Then they will "shake their fist" in the state run newspapers! Waa waa! Israel baaaad! they will even send condolences to Iran. WE so solly! Meanwhile the king of Jordan knew about this all along! Essentially the same thing will happen in other Arab countries such as eqypt and Saudi arabia but since there was no "fly over" in their country they will breathe a sigh of relief that Irans ambitions have been set back at least a decade or so. They will also Condemn Israel and cry crocodile tears for their Muslim Brothers! Waaa waaa waaa! What will the reaction of Syria or Hezbollah be? They are unpredictable but ill venture a guess. Syria will go on "high alert" and will scramble a cap over thier airspace and make a big noise about how "syrian airspace was NOT violated" and beat their chest. Thats all folks. Hezbollah? I predict they WILL fire rockets into Israel as a "symbolic" attack. But Israel might actually do nothing! the fact is Hexbollah is still licking its wounds from the summer and the last thing it wants to do it start up the war again. so after a few rockets and maybe a few Tete a tete from Israel the fighting will die down and will go back to normal albeit with more tensions. Iran? Her defenses will have come to naught and at worst Israel will lose a few planes but nothing serious.  That will be the end of phase one which will be the actual attack.
        What will the "blowback" be? What will Irans reaction be after the attack? Who knows! But sine the US was NOT involved in the atack they cant exactly invade Iraq now can they? What can they do ? Supply arms to the insurgents? nope, they are already doing that. they one thing Iran has right now in its favor is our own fear of attacking them. The more they play that up in the end they WILL win if they get the bomb and we did nothing.

I think this is a Cover Story for the real negotiations going on between the U.S. and the UAE.

"Say...How would you guys like Abu Musa Island back...Only Slightly Flatter."

Quoted: Peace Train

Damn shame the rulers of all that beautiful scenery are trying their damndest to lead it to destruction.

There is a young, liberal, progressive mindset amongst a large number of Iranians.  I've met a few over here that I wouldn't hesitate to call friends.  They mostly want what we want.. Security, love, happiness.  The latest gadget or trend or fashion.

That's not the problem.  The problem is that a number of militant psychos over there, no matter how small a minority they represent, run the place.  They aren't those charming ski bunnies or dashing golfers, they're hyper-religious zealots who want to kill anyone who doesn't precisely agree with them.  They're stirring the pot in Iraq, and they can't be trusted not to vaporize Israel if given half a chance.  They're murderers, and they're after the most powerful weapons known to man.

The choice in this situation may not be between a tragic war and an enlightened peace.  The choice instead may be between a tragic war now, or an even more tragic war later.  Unfortunately the likelihood of all sides joining together for a chorus of "Give Peace a Chance" are nil.