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Posted: 9/24/2001 10:20:41 PM EDT
This is just insanity! The damn sheeple want to repeat history again. ---------------------------- Frightening numbers: 49% in new survey support 'special IDs' for Arab-Americans WASHINGTON, DC -- Americans who want to fight terrorism by mandating Taliban-style "special identification" for Arab-Americans, by allowing police to randomly search people, and by giving the government the power to read e-mail are making a disastrous mistake, Libertarians said today. A poll taken last week found that substantial minorities of Americans support such measures in light of the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. But such a response -- while understandable in light of the horror and devastation caused by terrorists -- is not only wrong, it's un- American, said Steve Dasbach, the national director of the Libertarian Party. "We won't triumph over terrorism by giving away our nation's precious heritage of freedom," he said. "Our ultimate triumph over terrorism will come only if we remain, in the face of this murderous onslaught, a nation that honors civil liberties, limited government, and freedom. "To do otherwise not only dishonors the Americans who perished in the September 11 attacks -- it dishonors every American who has fought and died to keep this country free." However, many Americans seem to disagree. To fight terrorism, a USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll found that: * 29% would allow police to randomly search people. * 49% would mandate special IDs for Arabs in this county -- including American citizens of Arab descent. * 33% would make it easier for law enforcement to tap phones and read mail or e-mail messages. * 58% would require special security checks for Arabs -- including American citizens -- before boarding commercial flights. Such numbers are chilling, said Dasbach. "Consider the willingness of some Americans to require Arab-Americans to carry special identification," he said. "Such a proposal has horrific echoes of Nazi Germany requiring Jewish citizens to wear Star of David armbands and of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban requiring non- Moslems to wear special identifiers. "To support such a proposal is not only wrong -- it's shameful." The fact that 29% of Americans would allow police to randomly search people is also frightening, said Dasbach.
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 10:21:22 PM EDT
(continued) "In America, the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty is enshrined in the Bill of Rights," he said. "The Fourth Amendment guarantees your right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures. "If the Fourth Amendment is repealed -- a notion that almost one-third of Americans seem to endorse -- police would have virtually unlimited power to stop, harass, and search you. Terrorists would not be the primary victims of such a proposal -- innocent Americans would be." While some of these proposals seem far-fetched and are unlikely to be implemented, Americans should keep in mind that similar proposals have become law in the past, said Dasbach. * During the Civil War, newspaper editors in the North were imprisoned for espousing sympathy for the Confederacy. * During World War II, Japanese-Americans were put into internment camps. * During World War I, Congress made it a crime to use "abusive language" about the government or the military. It took 50 years for the Supreme Court to strike down that Sedition Act of 1918. * During the Vietnam War, the FBI and CIA launched a special program to spy on and discredit anti-war activists like the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. Given America's less-than-stellar defense of liberty during times of war, it's reasonable to worry that public support for anti-terrorism measures might help turn them into law, said Dasbach -- and that's a danger that must be guarded against. "In a time of national crisis, we must remain more vigilant than ever in defending the freedoms that make America unique in the world," he said. "Americans must remember: Freedom isn't free. There is a price you must pay to defend it, and that price is eternal vigilance. "And Americans need to be reminded that the enemy of terrorism isn't restrictions, repression, and regulations. The ultimate enemy of terrorism is freedom."
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 10:26:14 PM EDT
Isn't this what internment camps are for? Come on, anyone can fake an ID. Let's make sure to take their assets under RICO statutes as well. Come on people, it is all for the good of the country.
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 10:45:19 PM EDT
I am not sure how to express what I think about all this, but I will try my best. I am all for increased security around government/public buildings like parks, airports, state capitals, etc. This would include things like metal detectors, armed guards, even the inspection of suspicious bags [i]when neccessary.[/i] I am against a national ID card simply for the reason that we already have them in the form of SSN# cards and state drivers licenses, so another card is just more paperwork and excess government. However, in turn for this additional security I would like to see the creation of a trained civilian defense force which would include CCW for all who pass the training program. I mean really, let's think about this....crime would go down dramatically overnight and in the event of a terrorist attack people would have overwelming power to fight back!! Of all the various ideas I have heard come from this whole ordeal the only sane one was airline pilots wanting to be armed during flights. In short, I would be willing to give up convience, [b]but not freedom[/b], in exchange for the power to properly protect myself(read CCW). sgtar15
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 1:01:34 AM EDT
I think I'm offended by simply the title of this thread alone. Go figure.
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 7:28:19 AM EDT
That same 49% voted for AlWhore.
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 7:45:23 AM EDT
Disturbing, but not really surprising. Imbro...where did this article come from?
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 7:55:24 AM EDT
Sad. How bout we just strengthen our immigration laws (or enforce the ones we already have for a change).
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 7:55:35 AM EDT
Maybe it is a public advertisement of their E-Bay feedback rating.
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 8:18:42 AM EDT
"News polls" are patent bullshit, unadulterated by the truth.. Let me guess, this poll was conducted in NY state, on September 12? Any pollster can skew the results of a poll, by the way the question is put.. The base question can be very neutral, and unbiased, but if the person phoned/polled asks "Could you elaborate"? or "Could you explain that further"? then the pollster's personal biases begin to affect the outcome.. Nuff said. Meplat.
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 9:06:32 AM EDT
If this is true people are acting out of fear. I'm sure if nothing else happens peoples anxiety will subside. I blame the Democrats and their supporters for what is happening now to our country. Bill and the Demodogs were allowed to sell our secrets and all but destroy our domestic and military security without impunity, because of the American peoples unqualified support for this POS. I wonder if Klintongs supporters still think character doesn't matter and his world without borders is the way to go.
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 9:17:07 AM EDT
It apalls me to think that anyone would even consider doing it
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 9:21:04 AM EDT
That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. Arab-Americans should wear yellow CRESENTS to signify their heritage! Jeeze, folks, get yer racism right!
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 9:50:34 AM EDT
Do you people always believe what is written on this board? Is it possible that Imbroglio is just jerking your chain? Ya think? Look at his other popular threads. Sheesh, and some of you complain about others being "sheeple"
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 10:04:06 AM EDT
Now fellas, I know you are simply testing my BP meds yet again today.....
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 3:09:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2001 3:09:49 PM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
Imbrogilo is makeing this up. There is no source given in his faked Quote. This sick mother is once again shamlessly using a national tragidy to propagandise for his cheep ass little party of anarchists.
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 3:24:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: Imbrogilo is makeing this up. There is no source given in his faked Quote. This sick mother is once again shamlessly using a national tragidy to propagandise for his cheep ass little party of anarchists.
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Why do you fool us? We are all morons that just want to follow the flock.
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 3:27:51 PM EDT
Just beef up the INS. Imprison any immigration violators for 3-10 years, then boot them out after they've done their hard labor. Let them pave roads or something. End immigration for 10 to 20 years. We need time to assimilate what we got - the legal ones. Any immigrant not willing to swear and sign a loyalty oath should face immediate deportation.
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 3:53:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: Imbrogilo is makeing this up. There is no source given in his faked Quote.
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I am making this up huh? Libertarian Party Press Releases September 24, 2001 Frightening numbers: 49% in new survey support 'special IDs' for Arab-Americans [url]www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=535[/url] POLL ANALYSES September 25, 2001 The Impact of the Attacks on America Americans expect a long and difficult war by Jeffrey M. Jones GALLUP NEWS SERVICE [url]www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr010914c.asp[/url] 2001 Sep 14-15 (sorted by "support") Support Oppose % % Requiring every person going into an office building or public place to go through a metal detector 86 13 Instituting new security procedures that would require passengers to check in two to three hours before their flight is scheduled to depart 86 14 Requiring every person going into an office building or public place to show ID 77 22 Requiring Arabs, including those who are U.S. citizens, to undergo special, more intensive security checks before boarding airplanes in the United States 58 41 Banning airline passengers from carrying on-board any luggage including purses, computers, and briefcases 51 47 Requiring Arabs, including those who are U.S. citizens, to carry a special ID 49 49 Making it easier for legal authorities to read mail, e-mail, or tap phones without the person’s knowledge 33 65 Allowing police to stop people on the street at random to search their possessions 29 69
This sick mother is once again shamlessly using a national tragidy to propagandise for his cheep ass little party of anarchists.
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WHAT "PARTY OF ANARCHISTS" DO I BELONG TO? Since you are liberal and obviously a sorry product of an outcome based education let me help you: anarchist- An anarch; one who advocates anarchy of aims at the overthrow of civil government. an·ar·chy- 1. Absence of government; the state of society where there is no law or supreme power; a state of lawlessness; political confusion. PLEASE TELL ME AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE WHERE I HAVE CALLED FOR ANARCHY. I think you are having a case of the pot calling the kettle black for it is people like you that want mob rule, which is much closer to anarchy than a CONSTUTIONAL REPUBLIC WHICH I WANT. I could lower myself to your level and call you a FUCKING ASSHOLE, but I won't. I am not even going to hold my breath waiting for an apology from you or MIerinMD.
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 4:30:54 PM EDT
I'm holding my breath to see if I can turn white. My phone call to Michael Jackson was of no benefit either. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 5:44:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2001 5:47:17 PM EDT by MIerinMD]
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: I am not even going to hold my breath waiting for an apology from you or MIerinMD.
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Whoa big fella! Now while I did indeed call into question the existence of the poll, my main point was that people were willing to unconditionally accept what was said on this board without evidence. As far as you being some freaky anarchist, well...that's someone else's flame. I [b]WILL[/b] apologize directly to you for not believing in the existence of this particular poll and thereby impugning your integrity. Please provide links in the future for we "doubting Thomases" Yours in Arms, Michigander in Maryland
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 10:22:41 PM EDT
MIerinMD, Thanks.
Link Posted: 9/26/2001 9:19:49 AM EDT
BTT
Link Posted: 9/26/2001 10:27:05 PM EDT
BTT- just awaiting a response.
Link Posted: 9/26/2001 10:43:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gunmonkey: That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. Arab-Americans should wear yellow CRESENTS to signify their heritage! Jeeze, folks, get yer racism right!
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I prefer green clovers or purple horseshoes...
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 10:27:55 PM EDT
Hmm.
Link Posted: 9/27/2001 10:59:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HKocher:
Originally Posted By gunmonkey: That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. Arab-Americans should wear yellow CRESENTS to signify their heritage! Jeeze, folks, get yer racism right!
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I prefer green clovers or purple horseshoes...
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MMMM...they're Racial-Degradationally Delicious!!!
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