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Posted: 9/20/2001 11:29:54 AM EDT
I was curious to see what the "choice of the masses" was on 9mm pistols, I hear alot about Glocks, HKs, and Berettas. But not too much on the Sig? Is there a reason for that. Also how do the other name brands fit in for a full size auto? Thanks
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:33:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 11:36:26 AM EDT by zazou]
here we go. [;D] My 2 bits, Sig 228 or CZ 75 PCR. Had the 228 for years. Good feel, thought kinda bulky for some, never fails accurate and ugly. Had the PCR for 3 months. Good feel, not too bulky, never fails and gorgeous Glocks Suck (<--- BAIT) CZ's are CZexy! Zaz "I have given up trying to understand people in favor of mocking them."
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:33:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:34:09 AM EDT
I had a ruger, traded it in for a HS2000. I love the HS. Shoots great, feels great, and very reliable. Avator [img]www.dredgeearthfirst.com/aviator.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:37:28 AM EDT
HS2000. Buy two for the price of one glock, hk, or sig. Then you can chow yun fat all day long! Seriously though, the hs2000 is a great pistol for the money. cheap to make your own high caps as well.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:37:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:40:04 AM EDT
Zazou, how much did you pay for for the CZ? Is it compact enough for small hands? My wife has smaller hands and has trouble with my HS2000.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:47:19 AM EDT
As a good value pistol, check out the Ruger P95 series. Schnacke, you may find its frame suitable for your wife. That aside, if I were to go into battle tomorrow, a Glock 19 would be on my belt.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:48:34 AM EDT
Getta Beretta.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:49:18 AM EDT
My favorite for "readily available" model is the Browning Hi-Power, although I've got a 1911 in 9mm that is a tack driver, and, *it's a 1911*.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:50:44 AM EDT
High Power and Glock.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:56:42 AM EDT
Glock or Browning Hi-power
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 12:06:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 12:09:39 PM EDT
I have a HK USP 9x19 Para, i will never part with it.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 12:12:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cyoung: As a good value pistol, check out the Ruger P95 series. Schnacke, you may find its frame suitable for your wife. That aside, if I were to go into battle tomorrow, a Glock 19 would be on my belt.
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true, but i've found that the glock 26 fits smaller hands better. and with the mag extension the little pinky finger fits as well. i've never tried the mid-sized (i feel like i'm talking about cars here) but it would probably work too. while i didn't dislike the P95, i preferred the feel, weight, balance, of the glock in my hand. plus, my glock was more accurate. well, let me say that i was more accurate with the glock than the P95 probably for the above reasons. i do like the decocker on the P95 though.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 12:18:28 PM EDT
Here's my politics coming into play, but I would not buy a Ruger and don't understand why anyone else would either. Have people forgotten that Ruger Sr. is the one that got us into the "hi-cap" magazine mess? I'd go with a HS2000 if money is your prime motivator. If you've got the cash, a SIG 226, Glock (preferably full-size) or HK would be my choice. You can find decently price hi-caps for the SIG and HK, but glock drop free hi-caps are expensive. God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 12:19:52 PM EDT
Price no option: HK P7M8 A little less expensive, a HK USP followed closely by the Sig 228 I'm with zazou, Glocks suck.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 12:29:38 PM EDT
Glock 17 with a pre ban mag used to cost less than $500 around here. That was a couple of months back. I imagine these days, things have gotten just a tad more expensive. That would be my first recommendation. I also like the Sig P239 (get Hogue wrap-arounds with finger grooves)...Glock 19 or 26... Browning Hi-Power. Don't bother with a Taurus. Rugers are very reliable and feel like you're shooting with a brick. Just my two cents, probably ain't worth even that.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 12:32:29 PM EDT
Never had a 9mm luger handgun untill this week, even though I have many other handguns. With that said, I LOVE MY BERETTA 92FS INOX!!!! I am very happy with my choice.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 12:40:51 PM EDT
HK P7 or USP. Just gotta love em. Beretta 92s - tons of high caps at reasonable prices, but it's an awefully big gun. Glocks, mags are through the roof now. My favorite Glock 9mm was the 19C, but was so loud that any shooting done without muffs makes dogs cry and ears ring for days. - definitely not something you want to use inside your barracaded bathroom.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 12:56:46 PM EDT
SIG Sauer P226! Tyler
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 1:00:18 PM EDT
Beretta 92FS and Sig 226. [^]
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 1:03:45 PM EDT
BusMaster007 Getta Beretta.
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I'll second that!
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 1:06:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 1:09:27 PM EDT by Hardwood]
Sinner - the time is now to repent! Sig Sauer P226 - the best COMBAT pistol in the world - nothing else even comes close - period. Yeah there are more powerful handguns out there, and some maybe even more accurate, but when the SHTF I'd rather have my hand wrapped around my P226 with 1 in the chamber and 15 in the mag. Probably the only comparison would be Glock. But with the Glock, you either love it or hate it - and you guessed it - I hated it. Not to say the Glock isn't a good weapon - it is - I just don't like the way they feel. I you're in the market for a 9mm COMBAT pistol - choose Sig or Glock - but shoot both before you make your decision. There are also forums on the net dedicated to Sig and Glock (maybe others that I'm not aware of) but they are excellent sources of info on both pistols. [url]www.sigforum.com[/url] Sig P226 - combat proven the world over! Edited: Don't have experience with HK, but they are also to be considered if you're "hell bent" on spending more $$$.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 1:13:14 PM EDT
There's [url]http://www.glocktalk.com[/url] too, but they're closed to registration right now.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 1:16:47 PM EDT
The best 9mm pistol is the M1911, CAL 45 [;)]
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 1:22:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ECS: The best 9mm pistol is the M1911, CAL 45 [;)]
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Could get a browning hipower...
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 1:29:59 PM EDT
For a nine, I prefer my Sig226 or USP9. If the S REALLY HTF, I'd even break out my collectable Nazi marked Hi-power[;)]
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 1:44:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gunman0:
Originally Posted By ECS: The best 9mm pistol is the M1911, CAL 45 [;)]
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Could get a browning hipower...
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OK, OK , I'll go with the HIPower
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 2:03:42 PM EDT
I have both a Beretta and a Glock 19 and like them both. The Glock is smaller, lighter and more streamlined, without really giving up anything except looks.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 2:12:58 PM EDT
Sig Sauer P226 (stainless steel slide)
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 2:13:24 PM EDT
My choice is Beretta 92. Absolute reliability, excellent accuracy. At least mine is. A tad bulky perhaps. Something smaller? My Smith 39. Fits my smallish hands better than anything I've ever owned. Reliable if you keep it clean. Had an H & K P7 once. Neat gun but way to expensive these days. Almost not leather for it. Mags cost a ton, if you can find them. Shot like a house afire tho.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 2:13:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 2:15:19 PM EDT by Hunduh]
I can tell you from personal experience that GLOCKS SUCK IT!!!!! I cant believe that the NYPD continues to issue thousands of Glocks every year to rookies with the unbelieveable amount of malfunctions that Glocks have. I carry a Smith and Wesson 5946 Law Enforcement model as my duty gun and in the last 5 years, thousands and thousands of rounds, even dirty, very dirty......ZERO malfunctions..... True Story.....3 weeks ago I went to the range for my re-qualifacation and after we were done with our requal, the range instructors come out with milk crates full of Brand New Glocks, and they tell us that these are the 'new' Glocks (whatever 'new' means) that will be replacing the ones issued over the past few years. These are Brand New, unfired Guns, right out of the plastic tupperware container......They give each of us 100 rounds of ammo to "test" the new (model?) Glocks. I have 3 malfunctions, the guy on my right has 4, and some girl on my left also has 3 malfunctions....Thats just to myself, and to my left and right, there are about 50 people on the firing line and like 30 or so had multiple malfunctions.... What a POS!!!!! How the hell can my job continue to issue duty guns that stand a good chance of not working when you need it..... Dont forget this is Law Enforcement, life and death, not shooting at a paper enemy at the range!!!! Seriously, everyone on my job with a Glock who I have ever talked to has all kinds of trouble with it. If it was just a few guns having malfunctions, then its still not acceptable due to the nature of use for the gun (Life and Death), but Im talking like 3 out of 5 have regular malfunctions at the range, even the rookies with only 500 rounds through the gun!!!! BTW my backup is a five shot S+W Centennial....Love my revolver!!!
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 2:27:19 PM EDT
Hunduh, as much i am a [b]HK[/b] man, you obviously have no idea what you are spouting here. Glocks have been, are now and will be VERY reliable pistols for various uses. Maybe the persons were limp wristing the weapons or you are just making your BS up just to stir the conversation.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 2:31:07 PM EDT
...i've never had a problem with a Glock. if they are new guns then they just need a couple hundred rounds to break them in. the best 9mm handgun is the one that you feel comfortable with. there is no such thing a one model for all. i personally do not like the feel of a sig. i recognize their quality just as i do the walther p99 and HK USP, but none of these pistols have controls that i am used too nor do they injoy a good barrel to grip axis. the USP and the walther p99 have lever mag release. and the Sig places its controls in the "wrong" places. John Browning revereing lib
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 2:38:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 2:51:39 PM EDT
Beretta 92FS. Fits my hand like a glove. I tried a Glock, but I didn't like the feel. Otherwise I think both would make excellent firearms. It's really all up to the shooter.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 2:53:14 PM EDT
lotta good comments there, personally I have two Rugers..a P89 9mm and P90 .45... I love them both, my wife can shoot the 9 fine, and shooting one is just like shooting the other -(except for the higher recoil on the .45) Relatively inexpensive, (1/2 the cost of a SIG) and in my experience very reliable. course, personal experience and taste accounts to alot. I personally don't like the Beretta, (bad days from back in the Corps), but if I was given one I'd take it, but I wouldn't buy one. find a range that rents guns to shoot, make friends at the range and swap shots, buy what fits you. (hand and wallet)
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 2:53:50 PM EDT
HK USP9F, Sig P226, Glock 17, Walther P99 Berretta 92F, in that order. That's best quality/relibility, as well as the "best for me" factor. Sigs leave me cold, but their recod is second only to that of the USP or maybe Glock. 9mm Glocks don't Kb! as often as the .40's, but the USP doesn't in either caliber. Plus, the quality of the USP shows, big time, when held and fired next to a Glock. Juggernaut
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 3:02:24 PM EDT
I seriously doubt that all thoose people were limp wristing the gun. And I am NOT spouting bullshit to stir things up. NYPD takes out the factory trigger spring and installs the "NYPD" spring, rated at 15 (I beleive) pounds...I could be wrong about the weight but its pretty high compared to the factory spring. If you think I am full of BS, drop an email to Waverunner or one of the other NYPD guys and they will tell you the same story about WAY too many malfunctions.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 4:00:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By schnacke: Zazou, how much did you pay for for the CZ? Is it compact enough for small hands? My wife has smaller hands and has trouble with my HS2000.
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399+FFL trans fee Could not be happier! The grip feels slimmer than my 228. I haven't held a HS 2000. I would say it is not fat, but small hands may be an issue. My wife prefers it to my 228. The grip is identical to the standard CZ75. Hit a local dealer and have her hold one. Hope it helps. Zaz
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 4:03:29 PM EDT
Beretta 92FS. Reasons: reliability, accuracy, reliability, durability, repeat strike capability (sorrey glock guys), reliability, plentiful pre-ban mags, reliability, saftey, reliability, chrome lined bore,and reliability. I bought my 92fs used from a police trade in. I have absolutly no idea how many thousands of rounds have been through this gun. Unlike some other guns, my beretta will work when shot from any angle or even limp wristed. I test my guns a lot before I bet my life on them and I have found that the Beretta works great. Don't forget, the US military testing found that the Beretta and the sig 226 were the most reliable 9mm's available. (Yeah, I know they didn't test the glock, but that was because it didn't have repeat strike capability: something very important when a gun and its ammuntion will be exposed to the elements.) They did more testing than I can afford to do. [pistol]
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 4:06:09 PM EDT
Sig 226, CZ 75B, Beretta 92F
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 4:07:16 PM EDT
I'll have to go with my Sig 228 Two tone or my HK USP Expert in 9mm. Yes, they do make an Expert in 9mm just hard to come by here in the US since they are rarely imported.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:13:21 PM EDT
Hunduh if I saw that many malfs on that many Glocks, I would ask about the ammo see if changing that cures the problem. Some people don't like them for one reason or another but the bottom line is Glocks work. I have put thousands of rounds through three different calibers with nary a problem.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:21:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 6:21:29 PM EDT by Derek45]
If I had to carry a 9mickeyMouse, it would be a Glock. Despite what the gunrags say, it all comes down to this: [b][size=5]"The bigger the hole, the faster the drain ! "[/size=5][/b] Forget the tiny 9 and get a manstopper... Like my Kimber .45ACP [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/001/cK/fV/cX/Az91378.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:23:29 PM EDT
To paraphrase a navy seal quote I once read - "After two shots to the chest and one to the head it doesn't matter how big the hole is"
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:32:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:38:40 PM EDT
I myself have the S+W 5946, but many many people I work with have problems with their Glocks. Some say its because NYPD changes the trigger pull Weight. I have no idea. I know my S+W is a nice hunk of stainless steel and has never let me down. By the way, why hasnt S+W even been mentioned in this post? (Im probably not going to like the answers to that last question)......hehe
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:40:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 6:40:21 PM EDT by zazou]
Originally Posted By Derek45:If I had to carry a 9mickeyMouse, it would be a Glock. Despite what the gunrags say, it all comes down to this: [b][size=5]"The bigger the hole, the faster the drain ! "[/size=5][/b] Forget the tiny 9 and get a manstopper... Like my Kimber .45ACP
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Link Posted: 9/20/2001 6:52:08 PM EDT
I love my Sig P226 and P228. Easy to shoot accurately and I've never had a malfunction with factory magazines.
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