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Posted: 9/10/2001 1:51:41 PM EST
With all of the outrageous laws that are enacted in this state;is it possible to obtain a C&R? Alex [:\]
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 2:07:48 PM EST
99.99999% sure the answer is [b]NO[/b]
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 2:10:22 PM EST
Legally?
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 2:21:29 PM EST
Umm, I don't think that there would be such a thing as an illegal C&R. Like you have one or you don't type of thing. Alex
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 2:29:28 PM EST
Yes you can have a C&R FFL in CA. Have known quite a few with one when I was living there. One of which got his Nov. of last year. However if you live in LA or SF counties, I think you can pretty much forget it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 2:38:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 2:40:58 PM EST
I didn't say 100% now did I. lol. .00001% hehe. My bad. I remember hearing people here say something to that effect, but I guess I mis-understood. Sorry.
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 2:46:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By Big_Bear: lordtrader, why would there be a problem getting a C&R in LA or SF counties? You don't need permission, all you need to do is fulfill the federal requirement to notify the head of your local police agency. No action is required on their part.
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I had just heard thru the grapevine that those counties give you a lot of crap when you have one. You get inspected more often than not. I am basing it on hearsay.
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 3:02:38 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 3:03:26 PM EST
Thanks. Okay, so I live in CoCo county. Would I send the type 03 ffl to my local police chief or to the CoCo county chief sheriff. Alex
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 3:10:26 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 3:19:12 PM EST
Chief of police or county sheriff, it doesn't matter. I dropped mine off at the local sheriff's substation. I'm not aware that KA DOJ necessarily even knows you have a C&R license, unless your chief leo happens to tell them. C&R's are good in the PRK for mail order direct to your home only for long guns 50 years & older; long guns on the atf's list less than 50 years old still go through a class-1 dealer, as do handguns. To my knowledge, PRK does not inspect the premesis or bound book of a class-3 licensee. BATF has the right to one inspection a year, notification to you in advance, your place or theirs, your choice. In the 15 or so years I've had my -03 in both TX & the PRK, I can think of only hearing about 3 or 4 atf inspections (knock wood). One was my neighbor, he did it at the BATF in Dallas; in & out in 30 minutes. Inspector was only interested in completeness of his bound book. This is a guy with around 150 C&R guns at the time of the inspection. Alex, if you need more info, send me an e-mail. hanko
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 3:22:37 PM EST
here in Alabama,the city police say,since the application ask what county you live in,the sheriff has to sign it.no biggie here,still a lot of "good ole boys" as sheriff.
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 3:32:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By hanko: To my knowledge, PRK does not inspect the premesis or bound book of a class-3 licensee. BATF has the right to one inspection a year, notification to you in advance, your place or theirs, your choice.
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This is the ONLY thing that's keeping me from applying for my C&R license - bit afraid of what exactly an "inspection" would entail. Can someone explain also what benefits would be in obtaining a COE?
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 3:33:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/10/2001 4:00:10 PM EST by alexanderredhook]
Originally Posted By jwr747: here in Alabama,the city police say,since the application ask what county you live in,the sheriff has to sign it.no biggie here,still a lot of "good ole boys" as sheriff.
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I was just at [url]www.cruffler.com[/url] and they state that you do not need the CLEO's signature,only that you need to present them with documentation. Hanko, thanks, I'll E-mail you if I have any questions. Alex
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 4:22:44 PM EST
A COE will allow you to bypass the waiting period on C&R firearms (including handguns) when purchasing from a California dealer. It also exempts you from the "one handgun a month" law for any handguns, not just C&R. Whether or not it is worth it depends on what your buying habits will be. The initial year will cost you $75.00 and renewals are $13.00 a year.
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 4:31:27 PM EST
Xsquid, inspection entails only checking the entries in what atf calls your 'bound book'...that's where you log the acquisition of c&r weapons and their disposition (if you get rid of them for some reason. It's a listing of date/model/mfr/sn, and name of person you gave/sold it to, if that applies. Again, it's your choice if the inspection happens at your place or an atf office. It's a LOT different than an inspection for a class-1 ffl. COE basically says that PRK has checked your background & found that you're OK to buy a gun. Having one allows you to bypass the check at time of purchase. $70 & two sets of full prints (finger/palm) & hurry up & wait. I think, but I'm not sure, that it also might get you out of the one-a-month rule...I'd double-check that. Alex, CLEO does not sign C&R application...it's an advice copy to them only. You can mail it in or drop-off in person. I'm in an unincorporated town, so it goes to the local sheriff's office. Ignoring a hell of a lot of neat guns you can get, Brownells, Midway, and a bunch of others will give you discounts that will pay off your $30 real fast. hanko
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 4:38:56 PM EST
EOD_Guy, Hanko - big thanks for the info. I may just put my app in for both the C&R and COE.
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 4:43:08 PM EST
Im kinda glad I dont live in CA, I just sent in my app for a C&R a few weeks ago. All I had to do was fill out the form, answers a few yes/no questions, attach $30, and send a copy to my local CLEO, and the ATF in Texas. The license is good for 3 years, and I believe it allows me to buy any Firearm on the AFT list then have it sent directly to me, not a FFL. But I could be wrong, seeing how I have not got all the documentation yet explaining the proper procedures. I have my eye on a Colt 1927 Systema, a prewar 1991a1 made under contract in Argentina.
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 7:40:28 PM EST
SM, no disagreement...when I was in TX, I did just what you did. Application process is same here in CA, as you're applying to the feds & PRK DOJ has nothing to say as to controlling an 03 license. License does alloy you to have anything on the atf C&R list sent directly to you; in addition, anything not specifically on the list is C&R eligible if it's 50 years old or older. PRK screws you over by requiring anything less than 50 years old & all c&r handguns to go through an ffl. Life was a lot nicer in N TX, in that respect. Systemas are a hell of a deal & you won't/cannot go wrong with one, either original or arsenal refinished. Also suggest you check out a CZ-52 or 2...a super gun for under $200. Biggest issue for me once I got the license was keeping credit cards in my pocket & me off the phone. You will have a ball!! Hanko, who's got about 9 more months in PRK.
Link Posted: 9/10/2001 11:42:49 PM EST
I never really did quite understand the COE deal. There is very little information on the CA DOJ web site. Where can one get the skinny? Regarding the C&R, I just sent a copy to the local Chief of Police and 5 weeks later the license arrived. Now I'm in Mauser heaven. :)
Link Posted: 9/11/2001 4:32:59 PM EST
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hanko, One of my co-workers also suggested a CZ52, so I have kind of looked it to that. I know the 7.62X25 can be bought somewhat cheaply in surplus. But typically I like to stick with calibers I can find ammo for easily. So if for some odd reason if I cant pick up surplus, god forbid, theres always WalMart. I know the CZ52s can also be gotten in 9mm, but I dont think those are on the C&R list. And Im not sure if they are 9x19 or 9x18.
Link Posted: 9/11/2001 4:39:10 PM EST
Thanks for all of the info guys. What is a COE? Alex
Link Posted: 9/11/2001 4:52:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By SlutMusket: I know the CZ52s can also be gotten in 9mm, but I dont think those are on the C&R list. And Im not sure if they are 9x19 or 9x18.
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The CZ52's that are rebarreled are 9x19's... you can also get aftermarket barrels that are 9x19. Those aftermarket barrels only run 70 or 80 bux.
Link Posted: 9/11/2001 4:56:26 PM EST
Mattja, you have to call the DOJ (it's a 916 ac number & it's on the DOJ website). They'll mail you the application & 2 fingerprint cards. You mail it all back with $70 & you're apparently good to go, assuming you can find a ffl that knows what the fvck a COE is in the first place. SM, CZ-52's can be converted (legally, too) after you get one. All it takes is a 9mm (para) barrel. You can switch back & forth with the 7.62x25. Some say 9mm is not C&R in a CZ-52, some say it is. I bought a cherry one in 9mm from Dennis Kroh (www.empirearms.com) & he shipped it as a curio. Not a BHP, but a neat gun in its own right. hanko
Link Posted: 9/12/2001 8:16:03 AM EST
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