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Posted: 9/9/2001 7:47:23 PM EDT
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Can'nt be any worst than a shotgun. I would'nt want to fire it in small room with the windows and doors shut!
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Posted: 9/9/2001 7:59:20 PM EDT
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The damage would be permanent.
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Posted: 9/9/2001 8:00:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SILVER SURFER: Can'nt be any worst than a shotgun. I would'nt want to fire it in small room with the windows and doors shut! Maybe an AR-10 with that nasty muzzle brake. |
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Posted: 9/9/2001 8:33:34 PM EDT
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i have heard it can acually make your ears bleed. thats with a shortbarreled m16. if you were gonna bring an ar into a house, i would have some kind of supressor to take teh bite of it. i fired a ar out of a trailer house once. damn it hurt
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Posted: 9/9/2001 8:38:19 PM EDT
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I have done it with muffs on and it was LOUD. Shooting one in the open is loud enough, inside is way way worse. Guess you better put on your muffs before you confront Mr. Badguy in your house. And an AR is much louder than any shotgun I have had the pleasure of encountering.
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Posted: 9/9/2001 8:44:18 PM EDT
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In case anyone hasn't seen it, here's a loudness table found at [url]http://www.m1911.org/technic.htm[/url]:
db Environmental noise 0 Threshold of hearing 10 Normal breathing 20 Rusting leaves 30 Whisper at 30 feet 40 Quiet street 50 Interior home noise 60 Conversation 70 Crowded restaurant 75 Kitchen appliances 80 City traffic 85 Hearing damage possible 90 Lawn mower 100 Chain shaw 120 Threshold of pain 120 Siren 134 .22 LR rifle 140 Jet engine at take-off 150 .410 shotgun 152 .22 LR pistol 153 20 gauge shotgun 155 .223 rifle 155 .25 pistol 156 12 gauge shotgun 156 .30-.30 rifle 156 .308 rifle 156 .44 Special revolver 157 .22 Magnum pistol 157 .45 ACP pistol 158 .380 ACP pistol 158 .38 Special revolver 159 .30-06 160 9mm Para pistol 163 .41 Magnum revolver 164 .357 Magnum revolver 164 .44 Magnum revolver |
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Posted: 9/9/2001 8:51:37 PM EDT
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Common sense tells me that listing is bunk, at least to some degree. Why would a .30-06 be any louder than a .308 since they are darn near the same? Also, there is no way a .25 ACP is anywhere near the volume of a .223 rifle. Shooting a 12 gauge shotgun every week, I *know* they aren't as loud as a .223. None of the pistols, with the possible exception of the magnums, are as loud as a .223 either. I can shoot a 9mm and .38 without ear protection and without too much discomfort. I can't shoot an AR without ear protection without pain and ringing ears.
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Posted: 9/9/2001 9:10:48 PM EDT
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That list is crap......a 9mm pistol is louder than a .223 rifle?! CRAP!
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Posted: 9/9/2001 9:33:18 PM EDT
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I bet when they did the list they did not know that some gun brands would would be louder than others.
I know that a 1911 is louder that a Glock or USP .45 cuz more of the sound can get out. There really is no way to tell, as for how loud the AR how in the hell guys in the Army and such put up with it? It really sucks that shot guns have no range or I would get one but I gess I will stick with my AR even if it is so damn loud. |
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Posted: 9/9/2001 9:50:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: That list is crap......a 9mm pistol is louder than a .223 rifle?! CRAP! I have to agree that the list is flawed. But I would never use an AR in the house for self defence. I have my 9mm loaded with 147gr subsonic ammo. I dont care about any "stats" on "stopping power". 17 rounds of 9mm subsonic at 10 feet or less is going to stop anybody in a hurry and hopefuly I will be able to hear after. |
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Posted: 9/9/2001 10:15:00 PM EDT
[#11]
Ask Troy how loud a B-1 bomber is, sitting on the runway with full afterburners... [BD]
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Posted: 9/9/2001 10:43:53 PM EDT
[#12]
WOULD SOMEONE PICK UP THE DAMN PHONE ALREADY![BD]
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Posted: 9/9/2001 11:25:30 PM EDT
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Yeah I would say the list is screwed! A .22 louder than a jet engine? It's also past somebody's threshold of pain!
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Posted: 9/9/2001 11:35:37 PM EDT
[#14]
If you fire it in the house during a life threatening situation, you'd probably barely notice the sound.
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Posted: 9/9/2001 11:36:28 PM EDT
[#15]
I was in a closed room when my friend had an accidental discharge with a .357mag out of a S&W 4" revolver. Yes, it was load...very load....and my ears did ring for about 20 minutes. However, we were still able to talk to each other with in a minute afterwards.
My .02 cents sgtar15 |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 12:44:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Ask Troy how loud a B-1 bomber is, sitting on the runway with full afterburners... [BD] OH MY GOD! So the B-1B taxis out to the far runway, about 150 yards from the ropeline. The airshow announcer says, "Ok, folks, this one gets kind of loud." Now, earlier we had had six F-16Cs spool up, then turn around with engines facing the crowd, and taxi out. A B-52G had done a fly-by. I thought I knew what loud was. As the B-1B starts spooling the engines up, making little noise, I look over at DVDTracker and comment, "Huh, that isn't loud." "I know," he replies. Over the next 20 seconds or so, the engines get louder and louder. "Ok, that's pretty loud," I say, leaning in and using a loud voice. "Yeah." 30 more seconds go by. "DAMN, THAT'S FRICKIN' [b]LOUD![/b]" DVD nods. Another 30 seconds. "..........." I shouted, not able to hear if I'm actually making any noise or not. The tarmac, which I happen to know is 24" thick of reinforced concrete, is shaking under our feet. The turkeyfeathers of the burners start to spread out, and the afterburners kick in, and it starts to get REALLY loud. Finally, the pilot trips the breaks and the thing takes off on burner. Folks, when the airshow announcer tells you that a plane will be loud, BELIEVE HIM. -Troy |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 12:46:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: If you fire it in the house during a life threatening situation, you'd probably barely notice the sound. That's true, you'll mentally block out the sound. However, your hearing will still be damaged. Auditory Exclusion is mental, not physical. -Troy |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 2:59:45 AM EDT
[#18]
Barrel length, no doubt, is a factor. And the damage does accumulate through the years. I can hear everything (I think) but dont understand talking as well anymore.
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Posted: 9/10/2001 5:37:05 AM EDT
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The thought of shooting an AR-15 indoors is almost as scary to me as being on the receiving end of that AR-15. I would imagine things like wether or not you have a compensator on the end would make a difference. Blast directed to the sides would surely smack you in the ears much more than anything bouncing back from in front. As anothergene said, damage adds up. I used to shoot all the time without hearing protection when I was young and stupid. As I got older I noticed myself saying "Huh?" [>:/] much too often. I always wear hearing protection when out plinking or at the range now.
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Posted: 9/10/2001 8:21:34 PM EDT
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It would be deafeningly loud! However, your life vs. your hearing? You know the answer.
See this link for more details on how firearm noise affects your hearing...the dB list comparison is a bit more realistic. https://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?id=2052 Sorry, but I do not know how to link...perhas someone will correct it or clue me in. "The urge to save humanity is almost always a fasle front for the urge to rule." H.L. Mencken |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 8:27:24 PM EDT
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Next time I go to an indoor range, I will measure the dB level of my AR15 & post it for you. It will be louder at your home/office since I am presuming your home/office is not designed like an indoor range, but it should give you a rough idea.
Regardless, once you shoot it indoors (or out) without hearing protection, you will have irreversible hearing damage probably accompanied by tinnitus (ringing in your ears/head). "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H.L. Mencken |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 8:31:01 PM EDT
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[url]www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?id=2052[/url]
fixed url for matrix |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 8:34:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: [url]www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?id=2052[/url] fixed url for matrix Thanks! Now how did you do that? |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 8:36:05 PM EDT
[#24]
hopefully I'll never have to fire in self defense, but if I do my glock30 is gonna be loud.
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Posted: 9/10/2001 8:38:00 PM EDT
[#25]
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Posted: 9/10/2001 8:43:02 PM EDT
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Also, there is no way a .25 ACP is anywhere near the volume of a .223 rifle. Think about it. If they are measuring the sound energy at the shooter's ear, then a pistol will definately be louder than a rifle. Nice story Troy. I won't bore you guys with the details when I worked security for a few Ozzy shows, but standing 3' from the main PA speakers is loud. I thought my hearing was damaged enough from the Army that nothing would make my ears ring. I was wrong. |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 8:45:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: {url}website{/url} replace the { with [ and } with ] Quoted: Quoted: [url]www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?id=2052[/url] fixed url for matrix Thanks! Now how did you do that? Thanks for the lesson! |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 9:26:27 PM EDT
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If we are talking loud things, this is one of my favorite topics.
At one air show I went to, they did a demonstration of the F15. It came over at just ahead of stall so it looked like it was almost standing still, then the pilot turned it on its tail and sent it straight up, I guess as a demonstration of the thrust-to-weight ratio. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY GROUNDSHAKING LOUD. Maybe the loudness itself was merely very loud, but the effect of the ground shaking added a lot. 15 years later I remember it well. The Ramones PA was right up there. I played bass once using Black Flag's equipment. It was so loud I was right next to the drummer and couldn't even hear him playing even though he was bashing the drums as hard as he could. It was vibrating-your-body loud. God I miss the stupid days of youth when you didn't care about wrecking your ears. |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 9:37:58 PM EDT
[#29]
Gimme a damn break!!! You people should know this as well as I do. most of my shooting is done at indoor ranges, and the one I frequent the most has the most GOD AWFUL sound absorbing ever... It basically is there for looks... If a shot is fired in a REALLY small room, the size of a bedroom or apartment, I would bet it's DAMN loud.
Also, Put that damn bullshit chart away... It's inaccurate. Just remember, if you're going to discharge a firearm (particularly indoors), put some of those little earplugs in. I keep one pair tied in my boonie cap, and one pair tucked into BDU pockets for such occaisions... Just my $0.01 -inuhbad |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 9:42:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If you fire it in the house during a life threatening situation, you'd probably barely notice the sound. That's true, you'll mentally block out the sound. However, your hearing will still be damaged. Auditory Exclusion is mental, not physical. -Troy Good point. |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 9:57:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Next time I go to an indoor range, I will measure the dB level of my AR15 & post it for you. A or C weighted? |
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Posted: 9/10/2001 10:00:45 PM EDT
[#32]
I must be the exception to the rule, or had plenty of excellent hearing to spare. I have better hearing than anyone I know and I have fired an AR15 in the house before (AD) without muffs or even ear plugs. I have also fired entire magazines out in the field without hearing protection. It was a 16" barrel, and I was holding it upward, with the barrel only inches away from my head. The boom really hurt my ears, and they rang for awhile, but returned to normal the same day. Probably the worst thing to ever happen to my ears was being next to a semi when the air brakes released pressure. It put a hole in my eardrum, according to my doctor, and that ear was in pain for days and my hearing was muffled in that ear for a couple weeks, until it returned the normal. I was given an auditory test, and could still hear at normal levels. I probably hear as good or slightly better than the average person, but before any of this happened, I probably had ears like a dog, because I used to be able to hear a phone conversation from another room. And not just the person talking into the phone, but the other side too.
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Posted: 9/10/2001 10:26:46 PM EDT
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It isn't as loud as you would expect, at least not as loud as firing a .357mag from a 4" Smith inside a car with the windows up----of course my hearing isn't what it used to be
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