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Posted: 8/22/2001 2:48:38 PM EDT
Does anyone here own (or has previously owned)a Taurus handgun that can say good/bad/or indifferent things about them?? I just checked out a .454 casual (and exactly HOW is "casual" pronounced guys?)Taurus Raging Bull at my local dealer and boy, it sure seems impressive! Comments are appreciated!! Heres the link:
[url]http://www.taurususa.com/m454.html[/url] Nuckles. |
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I don't own a Taurus wheel gun but do own a Taurus PT99. I have owned this pistol since 1992 when I bought it used and it has never jammed or malfunctioned in any way. Taurus has a lifetime warranty, but if my pistol is any indication you wont need it.
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Upon further review..........
EXACTLY RIGHT RAF!!!!!! [rolleyes] BUT...... If I knew anything about this round (like the pronounciation(or the spelling))IT WOUD REALLY REALLY HELP ME!!!!!!! ....... but once AGAIN how is it pronounced? AND.. IS IT THE KILLEREST Thanks HONEY!!!!!!!! Nuckles! [smash] |
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There's one in the movie alien nation.
In the movie they pronounce it kah-sool |
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IIRC, it's pronounced ka-ZOOL. But don't quote me.
As to bragging rights to most powerful wheelgun cartridge, I believe it's the .500 Linebaugh. But don't quote me on that, either. |
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I have had a PT92 (Fixed sights) for 10+ years. It shot to the left about 3" at 15 Yards so i sent it back. They replaced the barrel and polished the action slick as goose S@#T. They sent it back all fixed and gave me the old barrel also. It only faled once (Stove pipe) on a very weak reload that I was working up.
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At 1955 FPE, the Casull is the top of the heap.
See why it doesn't pay to quote me? [;)] |
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Please promise not to call me "HONEY." I have an FFL and ordered one for a guy. I was anxious to handle it as it was the first I had seen. I took it out and noticed the hammer lock would not allow the hammer to cock. I used the key to turn it to the unlock position and it was [b]still[/b] locked. Other mfr.'s are going to these ridiculous devices, but I will not buy them. As Col. Jeff Cooper says, "It is a ridiculous solution to a nonexistent problem!" I have heard good things about Taurus--mostly that they are "better than they used to be." If you want a pretty good gun that you don't intend to bet your life on, I'd say jump. If you want to use it to stop a critter intent on using its fangs, claws, horns, or other appendages to bite, stomp, eat, or disembowel you, I would go with something else. Just my opinion, it's worth what you're paying for it. [:D]
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I own and still have a taurus revolver in 357 Magnum. I consider it to be a very reliable gun. As scottsw1 said they do have a lifetime warranty but with the performance I recieve I don't believe I shall ever need it for this one either. As for the 454 round, unless you are using it for hunting I would stick with a 44 magnum. The last price I saw for 454 cartriges was about $25 for 20 rounds. While it may be a very considerable round it's not something I would want to feed at the range year round. As for reports on performance, I would and do plan on buying more from taurus.
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Cost aside, how BAD is this round?????
Nuckles. ?????????????[smash] |
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In short this round is the baddest "commercially loaded" pistol round available.
It is a pistol cartridge loaded to rifle pressures 50,000 psi. the 44 mag is only loaded to 35,000 psi. The bullets for full power ammo had to be specially designed so as not to obturate between the cylinder and barrel and create a pressure spike. Raf is right in that the .500 Linebaugh is more powerful in terms of foot pounds of energy, but you need a custom gun and handloaded ammo to shoot it. One nice thing about the Casull is that you can use 45 Colt ammo in the gun also for practice ammo. This is the same principle as .357 & .38. After you shoot some "Full House" loads through the Casull you will probbabaly end up shooting mostly .45 colt for cost and comfort. |
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I love my Taurus 454 Cus, It will shot through 3 cinder blocks at 20 yard's or an 8" oak knot and 1 cinder block behind it. I have loaded up some 335gr LBT with 25grn's of H110.WOW, What a load,recoil is not to bad But if you load 45 colt in it, It's a pussycat. I like the full loads for finding out how it will react in hunting conditions. I got an 8 3/8" barrel, A little long for hunting but who cares.
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I've owned a PT99 for about 6 years now. I don't put thousands of rounds through it but every round has gone bang. I wouldn't hesitate to use it in self defense.
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I had a PT99 that I put at least a couple of thousand rounds through, with not one malfunction.
It even functioned some very reduced power loads that I had made to practice malfunction clearing. These loads would not function in the S&W, Ruger, and Browning that we had, but the Taurus fed them with no problems. Chris |
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I've got an M617 and an M608, and love them both. the 608 is huge, holds 8 rounds of .357 and the 617 is a 7 shot .357. The latter is nice and compact (for a revolver) I don't think you'll go wrong with one (even though the .454 Casull seems like a monster)
-Gloftoe |
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I just bought a model 94, .22 revolver, I haven't shot it yet, it is well made, the DA is alittle heavy, but the SA seems good. THey are made on S&W machines except that they have made some serious improvements. Several tears ago tey were so so in quality, but more than make up for it now.
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Good God how times have changed. I was a gunsmith in Beaufort SC back in 1973. The Taurus was a "Saturday Night Special" made of "pot" metal. Only a security guard would carry one and many did. Anybody that knew anything about guns considered the Taurus a POS.
Now days Taurus is a gun considered by many to be top of the line. I lost time for guns after I left the service, ya know getting the career going and raising a family. In the last five years of so I have gotten back into guns. Now I see Taurus all over the place. I still do not own one but will look them over soon. Times have changed. |
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I also had one in the early 70's It was a TOTAL POS. I keep hearing about how good the modern ones are, but I am troubled by the fact that whenever I go to a gunshow The main Taurus dealer there has half a table of "reconditioned" guns Whats up with that? Why do they need reconditioning?
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I have a 908 autoloader, works great, I bought it used, I can hit <3" groups offhand @ 25 yards with 124g Gold Dots.
Taurus does stand behind their stuff wether you are the origional owner or not. |
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I have a toris m85t in .38.
[img]www.mcuzi.com/imbroglio/38target.jpg[/img] 25 feet, .38 +p Remington 158gr SWCHP |
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I have owned a PT-101 for 8 years now and in that time have put about a thousand or so rounds threw it. A few months I experinced FTE empties. I down loaded a repair form off the net and shipped it and 2 of the diffrent brand mags I use to them. I included in the form that the problem occured with diffrent brands and that it would start to pull the brass but it would occasionaly fail to make it out of the chamber. Three and a half weeks later it was back (no free mags like I was hoping!) I put a couple hundred rounds threw it that evening without a single problem, good enough for me. I only wish they hand informed me what they had done to correct the problem, and if it was simple enough I would have the parts on hand to fix it myself next time. As far as accuratcy goes it gets a big thumbs up, and the sights are pretty good too. I would not think twice about buying another.[uzi]
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I had a .454 Raging Bull about a year ago...
Only one word to describe it... AWESOME !!! A definate MUST HAVE if you like the biggest and baddest toys [:D] Only reason for getting rid of it was the Black coated finish would scratch easily... I traded it on an AR-15 [:D] I'm looking for another one, but in natural stainless this time... The barrel porting really tames down the HOT .454 Casull... It shoots like a 629 S&W .44 mag. Put .45 long Colts in it and it'll shoot like a .38 Special. Winchester makes a bunch of different loads for the .454 They usually run about a buck or so a shot... Just buy it,you know you wanna.[:)] |
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God Nuckles,,,,,
It's hard to say something derogatory about a handgun on this board for fear of insulting somebody's baby! But Fu@%it! First-off, this has nothing to do with any other Taurus gun - the most reliable auto I've ever seen was a Taurus. Bad news first. I've owned one of their 454s for about two years & wore it to the point of being F@&*ed Up Beyond Repair! NO lead at all (Really strange things begin to happen when you use lead, or normal (thin) copper jackets in that damned caliber). No reloads at all. No practicing with 45-LC (That may be good, or bad - I don't know). I wore the damned gun out, that's nobody's fault but mine. I'm guessing you already know that there's nothing very pleasant about shooting this wheelgun at all, not by anyone's definition! The good? I think they're (multiple point) lockup system is a better idea than most, even if you DO need three hands - I think I got 2,000 extra rounds out of that alone (Although I suspect Ruger could've made it tougher with the same # of identical parts). JMO, of course - but this Fudermucker should've been made BY Ruger, or S&W to start with (yeah, yeah - I know!).... then you'd have SOMETHING!). Hunting? PHUCK, it's as serious as you're gona get with a handgun! I've taken black bear, brown bear, deer, one Bullwinkle, a couple PUs of wild hogs with it, & I swear to god - I HAVE NEVER needed a 2nd shot to be "humane," NOT EVER. I'm not too cheap to be humane - that kinda crap really bothers me (& I hope it always will), I'll empty the "other" $20 in the cylinder to end 20 seconds of pain (YES! - "Top of the line" hunting ammo does cost that much for a "454"). I've done it both ways, & of course this IS JMO. If you want bragging rights - the Taurus is fine. If you want a wallhanger - the Taurus is fine,,, AMOF it's a [u]good looking[/u] revolver. If you're going to use it a few times a year for practice (w 45LC), & hunt once, or twice using the "real stuff," the Taurus should do just fine. [u]But,[/u] If you're going to use the son of a bitch hard, and like meat, never plan on becoming a vegetarian, expect a revolver to last at least as long as you - without EVER seeing a (master) gunsmith again, or will ever have to bet your ass on a handgun for BigBlack/BrownBear, hell any BigBlack/Brown denizens... Then, PLEASE spend the extra four, or five hundred for a Bowen. It's cheaper! |
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Final Cut, how many rounds did it take for you to wear out your Taurus .454?
If that was all factory ammo, you spent a small fortune on it! |
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For the record: I could also put .45LC (long colt, right?)through it? What is the difference between the .45LC and .45ACP? Can you put .45LC through it?
Nuckles. |
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.45 LC, yes. If you understand the relationship between .38 Spl. and .357 Magnum, it is the same for .45 LC and .454 Casull. (Also .44 Spl. and .44 Magnum) The .45 ACP is completely different, being a rimless case. It is also much shorter and CANNOT be used in the firearm.
I'm going to say this, and I hope you take it the right way. I am trying to help you--honest. If you do not know the difference between .45 LC and .45 ACP you do not have enough experience shooting handguns to handle the recoil of a Casull. I promise. One shot and you will be done. Work up to it. Get very comfortable with a .357 mag, then a .44 mag, then tackle the .454. It is truly brutal. At least fire someone else's before you commit. |
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Overall Taurus stuff of newer manufacture is pretty good, at least as good as the other big names and better than Ruger IMHO.
I had the Raging Bull in 454, loved it. I sold two years back to get my favorite handgun, My IMI Desert Eagle in .50AE the biggest baddest auto-loader there is. I'm slowy saving up to get another Raging Bull, That shelf in my gun safe reserved for B.F.G.s is lonely. |
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Thank you thebeekeeper1!! A rimless case! DUH! A simple answer to what now seems to be a stupid question!!! As for the recoil, I shoot my .357magnum every weekend (I think it's my favorite of all my pistols) and my buddys .44mag almost as much. I am very comfortable with both. I think I just need to "feel the power" of the real deal!!!
Nuckles. |
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Nuckles,
Whew! I'm glad you took that in the spirit it was intended. You did not say how much $$ is an issue. You might look at the Freedom Arms revolvers. I have not handled one, but they are said to be the absolute best--at $1500 a copy. They cost 3X the Taurus, but I'm told they are worth the $$. Quality matters in most things. Quality costs, obviously. |
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I have a PT99 Taurus and it's a good shooter. It has an appetite for hotter loads.
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Beekeeper! WOW! Those are some SERIOUS wheelguns!! [smash] I just checked out [url]www.freedomarms.com[/url] They even look pricey! 2G's for the Premier Grade .454!! I appreciate your input, it gives me something to think about, like another JOB!!
Nuckles. |
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....and btw, whats with the disclaimer on their webpage: NO FREEDOM ARMS REVOLVERS ARE INTENDED FOR SALE OR USE IN THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS!
Nuckles. |
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Quoted: ....and btw, whats with the disclaimer on their webpage: NO FREEDOM ARMS REVOLVERS ARE INTENDED FOR SALE OR USE IN THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS! Nuckles. View Quote I THINK Mass. is a state that became a Utopian Republic by passing a law forbidding the sale of handguns without "smart gun" technology, which prevents the gun from being fired by anyone other than its "owner." And the technology does not exist yet, hence no handgun sales there. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Quoted: I appreciate your input, it gives me something to think about, like another JOB!! View Quote Uh, in my experience, you can make it quite a while without eating in order to buy guns, if the second job is difficult logistically. |
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GEEEEEEEEEEEEZE!!! LUCKY MASSACHUSETTS!! All of us poor saps are stuck with the "dumb guns!!" [rolleyes]
Nuckles. |
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According to Casull Arms it's "Ka-sull, the "a" has a short sound and the "u" is long".
I own several Taurus guns and have had no problems. I do not have their .454 ( I have a Freedom Arms and a Ruger though) Freedom Arms does not sell In Taxachusetts, because the have an extensive drop test requirement, and FA did not what to trash thousands of dollars in firearms to pass it. Remember this is a fairly small company. |
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DodgeBoy,
Is your Freedom Arms as wonderful as they seem from afar? I might have to spring for one someday. I just bought a .50 BMG, so am broke. |
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It's the bestes gun I have ever held. It is [b]the[/b] gun I will never part with. It is hard to believe how bad my other guns look in comparison.
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I have a stainless steel Taurus Tracker in .41 magnum. I shoots Great! The ribbed grips and ported barrel really help make the recoil manageable.
David |
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"As to bragging rights to most powerful wheelgun cartridge, I believe it's the .500 Linebaugh"
That Rush is one bad mother! [):)] |
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Quoted: It's the bestes gun I have ever held. It is [b]the[/b] gun I will never part with. It is hard to believe how bad my other guns look in comparison. View Quote That's what I thought/have heard. Nuckles, you listening? |
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Yeah, I'm listening.... and starting to druel. I guess the future of my next purchase is set.
[img]http://taurususa.com/pix/454chromelg.gif[/img] Nuckles. |
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