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Posted: 8/15/2001 6:06:44 AM EDT
Maybe its time for me to go. I'm not allowed to quote Scripture. I'm supposed to separate my biblical beliefs from my personal opinions. I'm considered by at least two people on this forum to be a "religious bigot." According to one member, I'm not allowed to have an opinion about the dealing of a non-member oif this forum and his endeavors outside this forum, because I'm a moderator of THIS board. Basically, I'm not allowed to have an opinion about anything. I'm not supposed to try to present a logical opinion on any issue if I come from a Scriptural POV, as I am "proseletyzing. My question is this - how are many of you any different than the Leftist / Marxist / Liberal / commie / pinkos who simply want to silence any opinion they dislike??? So let's have it out right here, right now. Vote. Go or stay.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:11:40 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:14:30 AM EDT
[rolleyes] If you do leave, please please don't post a message saying I'm leaving because of such n' such. [;)]
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:16:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GoatBoy: Stand firm in your beliefs and in yourself. -- GB
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My beliefs don't change. I'm just a bit disgusted by the Leftist muzzle certain people keep trying to fit over my head.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:17:31 AM EDT
Stay. BTW - I got that raise I emailed you about awhile back. Thanks for your prayers. [:D]
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:18:03 AM EDT
Stay. Everybody's view is their religion. Besides religion promotes society to do better. [8D][uzi]
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:18:18 AM EDT
You stay now! No where for you to go! You stay here! No rice for you today!
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:18:19 AM EDT
[b]Stay.[/b] I simply don't understand why you would consider otherwise. The beliefs you have shape who you are, and by God, I feel we could use a few more like you. People are entitled to their opinions, right or wrong, no matter how they derive them. It doesn't mean you or I have to like it. havoc
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:19:04 AM EDT
Please stay. Maybe you should consider this: If a moderator participates in a thread, especially when a heated, emotional, or controversial topic is being debated and discussed, he should recuse himself from "locking-duty/ability" (unless he is the author of the thread).
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:20:11 AM EDT
I'm no "Leftist / Marxist / Liberal / commie / pinkos" whatever that diatribe is supposed to refer to? I think it would be great for this board if you left as moderator. I feel you have done a very poor job and have let your personal and religous beliefs skew the level judement a moderator SHOULD have. I have gone back and forth with you about such things and you simply refuse to listen. Maybe as a user of ar15.com you have had some good input, but as a moderator you have much to learn. Just my 2c, you did ask for it. Flame away, I know you guys can't resist.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:20:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:21:50 AM EDT
I will say that one of the main reasons that I have frequented this board is the amount of diverse opinions that I have been able to read. I agree with some, but disagree with others, as I am pretty sure some people have done with my postings. The one thing that I attempt to do is realize that I have values, and my values are not necessary the same as the other individuals on this board. My values are most likely not correct for other people, and because of that, I try to not impose my values on other individuals. I guess that is my definition of tolerence. Garandman, although I am not a very religous man, I have read your postings, and have not seen you trying to impose your values on anyone, which I respect quite highly. You state your mind, which I thought was the purpose of the board, and in a rather clear manner too. I have found you to be fair and extremely tolerant in the threads that I have read, and feel that you are a good example of what I believe is a good individual, and I would feel sorrow to see you leave. If my voice and vote makes a difference, I would like to see you stay.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:21:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: Please stay. Maybe you should consider this: If a moderator participates in a thread, especially when a heated, emotional, or controversial topic is being debated and discussed, he should recuse himself from "locking-duty/ability" (unless he is the author of the thread).
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I believe the record shows I've done exactly that. If anyone can find otherwise, please bring it to my attention. I despise hypocrites, especially when they are me.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:23:07 AM EDT
Stay...
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:23:25 AM EDT
Are moderators like referees? Keep your personal beliefs separate from your duties and everything will be cool.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:23:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2001 6:20:49 AM EDT by ar50troll]
Originally Posted By Guardian: Besides religion promotes society to do better. [8D][uzi]
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Uhhh...yeah...let's take a trip to Isreal or Palestine right about now. Surely you can't be serious? Religion has caused more murder than any other organized group. Your claim is outlandish at best.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:26:54 AM EDT
If you leave, where do you go?....McCuzi.com?..He! He! He! [:D] You can't leave us! We are family. Stay!
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:30:27 AM EDT
You locked the "creation vs. evolution" thread for very good reasons -it had turn into an insult swapping thread. But because we are so aware of your beliefs, combined with the subject of said named thread, might lead one to suspect bias. Then again, WHO CARES! it's the internet, not the Supreme Court. Do what you want, say what you want. Anyone who gets too bent out of shape about it needs to find a new hobby.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:32:50 AM EDT
I am not a god fearing man.... I don't care if you are. I think you round things out around here. We need a good cross section of perople, and I think we got it. You don't have to make everyone happy all the time.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:35:11 AM EDT
Evidently you didn't read the fine print before you signed on. Like a very wise man pointed out to me once, you can't quit. You have to either die, or be sold. [;)] Now, would you kindly get back to work??
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:35:21 AM EDT
Stay.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:35:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2001 6:32:28 AM EDT by ar50troll]
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: Then again, WHO CARES! it's the internet, not the Supreme Court. Do what you want, say what you want. Anyone who gets too bent out of shape about it needs to find a new hobby.
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You don't know much about moderator then. Between 86 and 89 I was a USE Net moderator for several NG's What Garandman does and doesn't do are not the skills of a true moderator. You may simply see moderator as some elitist title, but it is a job. Garandman does not do a good job as a forum moderator. Like I said before, maybe he has some good input as a user of ar15.com. Moderator skills are poor. Garandman Lose the "Moderator" title. I'm sure they will grant you some "Elite Member" or "AR15.com Staff" or something like that. I have a feeling though that this all boils down to being "Better" or having a "Higher Rank" than the masses as this has long been your angle in most of the threads you "Moderate". Don't take it personally.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:36:59 AM EDT
Stay (Was that too verbose?) Norm
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[Last Edit: 8/15/2001 6:40:50 AM EDT by Celt]
Aw, stick around. I think you've done a pretty fair job of wearing two hats...moderator and member-with-an-opinion-like-everyone-else....considering the intensity of your beliefs. (And this from someone who will never come close to agreeing with you on religion.) Of course you're a religious bigot. We're all bigoted about something. You say it like it's a bad thing.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:43:54 AM EDT
Stay! You are doing your best. Good or bad it's you. Keep the faith!
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:46:41 AM EDT
Hey g-man, don't leave. Much as we disagree on things, I still like having you around. If you feel that being a moderator cramps your style, quit the moderator job but stay on the board. I personally don't feel you've abused your moderator authority at all.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:48:57 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:53:14 AM EDT
Just to be different, I'll say go. Go get a beer, or go somewhere to relax, or whatever you do to stop thinking about a bunch of whiny toads who are too busy whining about your opinions to notice when you're helpful. Moderators, as well as owners have a right to their opinions. Anyone who doesn't like them, can set up their own board. I agree with some that there is a little too much political correctness enforced here, but overall, it's a good group of people with some common interests. Let those who offer alternatives that they pay for out of their own pocket cast the first flame. I don't get why some people around here want to alienate others. We're all on many politicians' lists for the first people to go when they can open concentration camps. When "representatives" like Perata of CA can openly suggest all law abiding gun owners be kicked out of the state, there is something seriously wrong. These people don't care about anything about you other than your interest in firearms. Being a good person, law abiding citizen, a christian, whatever mean nothing. If they're not differentiating between us, why should any of us do that for them? JPFO didn't care that I wasn't Jewish when I joined. They consider anyone who agrees with their views as a friend - Jewish or not, member or not. I could live without your religious tirades, but they're a small price to pay. Everyone has flaws, why shouldn't you be allowed one that does no harm?
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:53:48 AM EDT
Stay You have never been unfair or tried to force your beliefs on me when we have disagreed. My spouse frequents a chat site. [url]www.lordofthe.net[/url] which bans people for defending themselves or disagreeing with an admin. it is a very childish site if any of you feel you are being treated unfairly here go to the site and see what unfairness is. just pick an admin and start disagreeing with him/her and you will see childish admins and unfairness Garandman has done a good job!
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 6:58:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr: [size=5]STAY[/size=5] As long as you remain impartial in your moderating duties.
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I think that says it all. I think this board would be boring as hell without all the diverse opinions. Just dont let it interfere with the Moderator duties. RLTW
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:00:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2001 7:00:30 AM EDT by 556mm]
{b}STAY !{/b}
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:05:44 AM EDT
yo G in the overall spirit of brotherhood against the oppressors, I am happy to have you as a brother in arms. On the religious stuff.....I am sorry but I would rather not hear it....but that is up to me to read it, debate it, or ignore it. Just one point...someone with opposing views or something that you consider obscene or profane should have the same consideration. As long as it meets forum rules-- right Goatboy....
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:07:17 AM EDT
Stay, what other's think don't matter. Your beliefs are yours, last time I checked the thought police hasn't taken over the country yet. Thebeekeeper1 put it best. [smoke]
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:07:53 AM EDT
STAY! Wouldn't be the same with out ya.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:08:10 AM EDT
Stay. First of, this is America, a country based on freedom of religion. You really haven't ever seemed to me like you came off like your were preaching religion. And if you do It's my right to not read your posts if I choose not to. Secondly this is a discussion forum, what would there be to discuss if we all were exact clones of each other and totally agreed on everything?
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:09:03 AM EDT
garandman, show us those Mod-skills..... .....please lock this thread.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:13:49 AM EDT
Does this statement mean anything: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will die trying to defend the right for you to say it." I don't agree with some of the view that a lot of the people here. As I am assure some feel the same way about me. However, we have one common bond that keeps us together. Hell that is a basis for some of the marriages in this country. You can't please everyone. Not saying you should stay or go, eventually that is your decision. Me personally I have been frequenting a particular gunboard less and less cause of some of the members and their views, not cause they wanted me to leave. Its your decision. What can you put up with?
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:19:20 AM EDT
Stay, if you stay, I will stay. If you go. I will stay.[smoke] I can stay, right? Besides, you are the SWORD of DAMOCLES and you have to stay till all the heathen have been sent to meet their maker, which they don't believe in. You have cool job!
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:19:22 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:21:52 AM EDT
[size=4][red]Stay![/red][/size=4] Eric The('IllegitimiNonCorborundum')Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:23:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 7:55:02 AM EDT
garandman, I say, "stay." I do not share many your views in most of the religious capacities. But you have a set of opinions I do not and that is of great value to me. More than anything I want to understand...the Truth. Your theological opinions, as long as they are not the basis for closing down a thread, are the most welcome because they are different than my own. Even if they make me mad as hell [:)] I sometimes do think they are a bit preachy, or even just trite and blind. But aren't we all at times. So carry on, keep them coming. Our roads, ultimately, are to the same place, I feel. I am curious as to your journey. I'd hope you are curious as to mine. Zaz PS and I was kidding about the CAPS. you can use them if you want. [;)]
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 8:10:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2001 8:08:03 AM EDT by hielo]
I personally find it offensive when people start quoting passages of their scriptures to me, like it ought to have some sort of meaning in my life. But hey, it's a big world, room for every crazy notion and belief that is out there. Stay or go, up to you, your a big boy....right? (edited cuz I had a brain fart)
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 8:14:27 AM EDT
This is the whole problem with the moderator stuff. People either kiss your ass or hate your guts and you can never just have normal conversations again without someone feeling bad because a moderator disagrees with them or they get mad because they think you should be neutral on every subject. There are always gonna be those out there who just can't stand authority figures and will take a jab at them every chance they get. I say you should stay and just forget about all of the crybabies. If you ignore them long enough they will eventually shut up. I've learned that no matter how hard you try its impossible to please everyone, so you just have to do the best you can and leave it at that. Michael
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 8:26:41 AM EDT
Stay!
Originally Posted By garandman: I'm considered by at least two people on this forum to be a "religious bigot."
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Consider the source.
According to one member, I'm not allowed to have an opinion about the dealing of a non-member oif this forum and his endeavors outside this forum,
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Consider the source again.
I'm not supposed to try to present a logical opinion on any issue if I come from a Scriptural POV, as I am "proseletyzing.
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While I rarely agree with you concerning religion I've found that you're an honorable person with strong beliefs. I respect you for that.
My question is this - how are many of you any different than the Leftist / Marxist / Liberal / commie / pinkos who simply want to silence any opinion they dislike??
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About the only person here I ever wanted to silence was Drew and that was only because he would get Glockcop all riled up. [:)] Loooooooooong threads with neither side really reading what the other said. I haven't seen either since my return here so that's moot. I think that's one of the problems you've run into. Your antagonists often either don't read what you write or read something into what you write. Regardless, they're not interested in considering your opinion, just shooting it down to see the fireball. Like I said, Stay. CB
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 8:44:01 AM EDT
[b] [size=6] STAY! [/b] [size=6] ...or I'll whoop yer ass! I'll guarantee ya! I'll put a knot on yer head so big a calf can suck on it fer a month. God and I haven't been on speaking terms for the last thirty-three years, but I am glad you are...doesn't bother me anymore than the porn posting crowd. I just won't be bothered with nonsense! Neither should you. Roy D.
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