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Posted: 2/16/2006 10:52:11 PM EDT

[#1]

In Indiana we have a saying “Fuck Chicago.” Not much of a saying I know, but hey.

Posted: 2/16/2006 11:29:26 PM EDT

[#2]

This is why I don't go to Chicago any more.

Posted: 2/16/2006 11:59:17 PM EDT

[#3]

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Police also found a pistol designed to fire shotgun shells--also illegal under federal law.

WTF

How about the thunder .45?

I believe the Thunderer was classified as a destructive device by the ATF.

Magnum research makes the BFR which also takes .410 shotgun shells, and is classified as a normal pistol...

www.thunder5.com/docs1.html

Posted: 2/17/2006 12:44:13 AM EDT

[#4]

For those Kitchen-Table Democrats who don't know jack about guns, here's a short educational program to help explain the the difference between fully automatic firearms and the rest.

Full Automatic:

You load it all up with bread (ammunition) and push the start button (squeeze the trigger). Until you run out of bread (ammo) or turn it off (release the trigger), it will keep shooting out toast (bullets).

NOT FULL-AUTOMATIC:

You must push the start button (squeeze trigger) and you get ONE piece of toast (bullet) as a result. If you would like another piece of toast (or to shoot another round) you must load in a fresh piece of bread (ammunition) and push the start button (squeeze trigger) again.

Posted: 2/17/2006 1:03:47 AM EDT

[#5]

You guys are funny

Posted: 2/17/2006 1:10:16 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
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Police also found a pistol designed to fire shotgun shells--also illegal under federal law.

WTF

How about the thunder .45?

I believe the Thunderer was classified as a destructive device by the ATF.

Magnum research makes the BFR which also takes .410 shotgun shells, and is classified as a normal pistol...

Thunder 5 isnt a DD, still can be had on auctionarms and gunbroker for decent prices along with straight from the manufacturer.

Posted: 2/17/2006 3:49:17 AM EDT

[#7]

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WHY would anyone live in Chicago much less Illinois ???

I think IL is worse than Kali !

All the fucked up laws and crime. NONE of the fabulous weather and FREAKIN HOT WIMINZ!!!!

Posted: 2/17/2006 6:28:11 AM EDT

[#8]

In Wisconsin we have a saying.... 'Fucking Illinois Bastards' - or 'FIBs'.

I thought 'FIBs' was just a term of endearment for all the asshole drivers that came to the Dells area during summer vacation, little did I know it was applicable to reporters as well.

Posted: 2/17/2006 7:05:42 AM EDT

[#9]

No response to my e-mail. I probably hurt his feelings.

Also: my letter better be well-written; I'm a technical writing minor.

Posted: 2/18/2006 4:34:31 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
For those Kitchen-Table Democrats who don't know jack about guns, here's a short educational program to help explain the the difference between fully automatic firearms and the rest.

Full Automatic:

You load it all up with bread (ammunition) and push the start button (squeeze the trigger). Until you run out of bread (ammo) or turn it off (release the trigger), it will keep shooting out toast (bullets).

www.bigtray.com/xlskuimg/HLMQCS31600BA_xl.jpg

NOT FULL-AUTOMATIC:

You must push the start button (squeeze trigger) and you get ONE piece of toast (bullet) as a result. If you would like another piece of toast (or to shoot another round) you must load in a fresh piece of bread (ammunition) and push the start button (squeeze trigger) again.

www.cssauction.com/pimages/CPT160_PRODUCT_VIEW_1.jpg

+1 Send that to King Daley and Blaggo!

Dave W.

Posted: 2/20/2006 7:15:04 AM EDT

[#11]

It is my understanding that a SMOOTH-BORE handgun that can fire shotgun shells requires special ATF attention.

A handgun with a rifled barrel that is capable of shooting shotgun shells is sold just like any handgun would be. I have seen rifled T/C Contender barrels in 45 Long Colt that have a ribbed fixture at the muzzle to stop the rotation of the shot column. There was no restriction on buying these barrels.

I think the Chicago police saw an opportunity to make a big-media arrest. This media show & tell was their main concern and not any criminal intent or actual criminal activity of the person arrested. Even if the person arrested has broken no law this willl cost him thousands to defend against, quite possibly bankrupting him.

JBTs indeed!

Posted: 2/20/2006 7:39:26 AM EDT

[#12]

You know, you really need to check your FACTS before blasting away e-mails and 'phone calls to people telling them they are idiots, and that the AR15 was never used by any army, anywhere.

Read and learn (then maybe send some apologetic emails to those that you have misinformed, and given yet more reason not to believe anything that comes from the pro-gun lobby):

Based on the AR-10, Army officials asked ArmaLite to develop a smaller version of the AR-10 in 1956. The ensuing rifle was called the AR-15. Army analysis of battlefield statistics from WWI, WWII and Korea, had shown that most kills from small arms occured at ranges of less than 300 yards. This suggested that the military should seriously consider lighter weight, higher capacity weapons. Seeking a novel cartridge suitable for a smaller caliber assault rifle, Eugene Stoner approached Winchester Corporation. The result was the small but powerful .223 Rifle Cartrdige -- high-velocity, light weight, low recoil, and capable of penetrating a helmet per US Army specifications.

Production of the AR-15 rifle was licensed to to Colt Manufacturing Company in 1959. Early Colt AR-15s, their magazines, and their operators manuals were marked with ArmaLite's name. Colt's retained the AR-15 designation on commercial rifles. To this day Colt's has a model designation with the letters AR, which stands for "ArmaLite".

The AR-15 was selectable for full and automatic fire. The AR-15 was to have had the same effective range as the M14 rifle, but it was most effective at a range of 215 yards (200m) or less. The M16 used a 5.56mm (.223 cal.) cartridge in 20- or 30-round magazines. To compensate for the reduced size of the 5.56 mm bullet, the AR-15 designers increased the velocity of the bullet so that it would have an adequate range and the flat trajectory needed for accurate aiming. The M16 bullet had a muzzle velocity (velocity on leaving the gun) of 980 meters per second as compared to 870 meters per second for the M14 rifle and 720 metres per second for the Soviet AK-47 7.62 mm rifle, while at a range of 100 meters the velocities of the three bullets were 830, 800, and 630 meters per second respectively.

The U.S. Air Force completed tests of the AR-15 in January 1961. The Air Force procured 8,500 rifles in 1961 and standardized the AR-15 in 1963. The weapon was first deployed to the Air Force's Air Police. The original AR-15 was designated the M16 in 1962.

This text was lifted from the website which is reasonably authoratative on its subject matter.

If you don't care to believe it, you can do some more research yourselves.

Posted: 2/20/2006 7:49:28 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
You know, you really need to check your FACTS before blasting away e-mails and 'phone calls to people telling them they are idiots, and that the AR15 was never used by any army, anywhere.

Read and learn (then maybe send some apologetic emails to those that you have misinformed, and given yet more reason not to believe anything that comes from the pro-gun lobby):

Based on the AR-10, Army officials asked ArmaLite to develop a smaller version of the AR-10 in 1956. The ensuing rifle was called the AR-15. Army analysis of battlefield statistics from WWI, WWII and Korea, had shown that most kills from small arms occured at ranges of less than 300 yards. This suggested that the military should seriously consider lighter weight, higher capacity weapons. Seeking a novel cartridge suitable for a smaller caliber assault rifle, Eugene Stoner approached Winchester Corporation. The result was the small but powerful .223 Rifle Cartrdige -- high-velocity, light weight, low recoil, and capable of penetrating a helmet per US Army specifications.

Production of the AR-15 rifle was licensed to to Colt Manufacturing Company in 1959. Early Colt AR-15s, their magazines, and their operators manuals were marked with ArmaLite's name. Colt's retained the AR-15 designation on commercial rifles. To this day Colt's has a model designation with the letters AR, which stands for "ArmaLite".

The AR-15 was selectable for full and automatic fire. The AR-15 was to have had the same effective range as the M14 rifle, but it was most effective at a range of 215 yards (200m) or less. The M16 used a 5.56mm (.223 cal.) cartridge in 20- or 30-round magazines. To compensate for the reduced size of the 5.56 mm bullet, the AR-15 designers increased the velocity of the bullet so that it would have an adequate range and the flat trajectory needed for accurate aiming. The M16 bullet had a muzzle velocity (velocity on leaving the gun) of 980 meters per second as compared to 870 meters per second for the M14 rifle and 720 metres per second for the Soviet AK-47 7.62 mm rifle, while at a range of 100 meters the velocities of the three bullets were 830, 800, and 630 meters per second respectively.

The U.S. Air Force completed tests of the AR-15 in January 1961. The Air Force procured 8,500 rifles in 1961 and standardized the AR-15 in 1963. The weapon was first deployed to the Air Force's Air Police. The original AR-15 was designated the M16 in 1962.

This text was lifted from the website which is reasonably authoratative on its subject matter.

If you don't care to believe it, you can do some more research yourselves.

And the AR-15 as marketed and sold today is identical to the AR-15 as designated prior to adoption by the armed forces? Todays AR-15's are "Standard army issue"? This man is in possesion of a pre-1961 select fire "AR-15"?

No? I'll stand by calling BS on claiming the AR is issued to the army and that any research on the issue would higlight the differences in an AR-15 and the M16.

Posted: 2/20/2006 8:26:52 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
You know, you really need to check your FACTS before blasting away e-mails and 'phone calls to people telling them they are idiots, and that the AR15 was never used by any army, anywhere.

Read and learn (then maybe send some apologetic emails to those that you have misinformed, and given yet more reason not to believe anything that comes from the pro-gun lobby):

Based on the AR-10, Army officials asked ArmaLite to develop a smaller version of the AR-10 in 1956. The ensuing rifle was called the AR-15. Army analysis of battlefield statistics from WWI, WWII and Korea, had shown that most kills from small arms occured at ranges of less than 300 yards. This suggested that the military should seriously consider lighter weight, higher capacity weapons. Seeking a novel cartridge suitable for a smaller caliber assault rifle, Eugene Stoner approached Winchester Corporation. The result was the small but powerful .223 Rifle Cartrdige -- high-velocity, light weight, low recoil, and capable of penetrating a helmet per US Army specifications.

Production of the AR-15 rifle was licensed to to Colt Manufacturing Company in 1959. Early Colt AR-15s, their magazines, and their operators manuals were marked with ArmaLite's name. Colt's retained the AR-15 designation on commercial rifles. To this day Colt's has a model designation with the letters AR, which stands for "ArmaLite".

The AR-15 was selectable for full and automatic fire. The AR-15 was to have had the same effective range as the M14 rifle, but it was most effective at a range of 215 yards (200m) or less. The M16 used a 5.56mm (.223 cal.) cartridge in 20- or 30-round magazines. To compensate for the reduced size of the 5.56 mm bullet, the AR-15 designers increased the velocity of the bullet so that it would have an adequate range and the flat trajectory needed for accurate aiming. The M16 bullet had a muzzle velocity (velocity on leaving the gun) of 980 meters per second as compared to 870 meters per second for the M14 rifle and 720 metres per second for the Soviet AK-47 7.62 mm rifle, while at a range of 100 meters the velocities of the three bullets were 830, 800, and 630 meters per second respectively.

The U.S. Air Force completed tests of the AR-15 in January 1961. The Air Force procured 8,500 rifles in 1961 and standardized the AR-15 in 1963. The weapon was first deployed to the Air Force's Air Police. The original AR-15 was designated the M16 in 1962.

This text was lifted from the website which is reasonably authoratative on its subject matter.

If you don't care to believe it, you can do some more research yourselves.

Name a civilian production AR15 type rifle that was not semiauto since the 1970's.

Posted: 2/23/2006 6:35:26 AM EDT

[#15]

Update...

crimefilenews.blogspot.com/2006/02/chicago-police-department-reminds-me.html

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