Any country that receives as much federal aid (hand out of my money) as Israel are they really an ally or a paid whore.  As much as they shit in their own nest and cause problems I see them more of a liability than an asset.

FLAME ON!

More Vodka~

No takers?!  I can't be that right!

I know my reply will come as shock to most
of the gentlemen who post here, but I just
gotta say it.....I think they are a whore.
Yeah I know....but it's really me, and that's
what I think. Not only a whore, but a cheap
WHORE.
Flame on BITCHES.

jew (j)
tr.v. Offensive jewed, jew·ing, jews

   1.To bargain shrewdly or unfairly with. Often used with down.
   2.To haggle so as to reduce (a price). Often used with down.

The above was copied out of www.dictionary.com
cool as hell.

While I may agree with the crux of the argument presented here the efforts of Jewbait is going to allow people to characterize this simply as anti semetism. Something to consider.

And I could be wrong but I belive in the case of jewbait there is that motivation.  

Oh, and you are beggin to get this topic locked and possible booted from the board. This ain't McUZI.com. They are two different sites managed in two different ways.

we probably need israel, since they are really the only country friendly towards us, and can use them as an excuse to be in the middle east watching over all that precious BLACK GOLD

If Israel was an oil producing nation I would completely understand.

But the fact that they are NOT and all the countries that ARE hate them like poison is why gas is so damn expensive.

You pay anyone enough - they'll be your friend.

I do wish my posts would not come out to
where people think I am a racist. Its just
that no matter how I use the word "jew",
the left wingers come out in droves. And are
very quick to decapitate my ass.
jewlovers are a super kneejerk reaction force
if I ever saw one.
jew (j)
tr.v. Offensive jewed, jew·ing, jews

   1.To bargain shrewdly or unfairly with. Often used with down.
   2.To haggle so as to reduce (a price). Often used with down.

Woah hold on - as the biggest importer from OPEC we have the cheapest fuel prices in the Western Hemi.

I agree, gas is still a bargin when you factor in inflation.  You probably pay more for a gallon of designer water. Have a friend that lives in Singapore and he pays around $6.00 US dollars for a gallon of gas.
If not Israel who would we be allies with in the middle east?  Look what happened with our friend the Shah in Iran. As long as we remain dependent on oil we need an ally in the area and what ever else you may say about about Israel I would want them on my side in a fight.

Umm...I think this thread begs the question...why SHOULD Israel be our ally unless we pay them?  What have we ever done for them that would make them be our ally without financial incentive?

Ally.  We need them and they need us.  They are the porch from which we will kick down the door into the house of Mid East if we have to.  Turkey can only be relied upon in limited situations.  Plus, with Israel sitting so close to the shit holes of the Mid East, eaves dropping on the basteds is a whole lot easier when sitting next door.  I think more of that goes on than we think.

A healthy relationship with Israel is in our best interest.  IMO

What does Israel have to offer other then palestinian cadavers?

Not a whore - a parasite. A leech, if you will.

Of course, MANY nations enjoy parasite status in relation to America.

And like most parasites, these nations aren't overly concerned with the well-being of their "host." In fact, they LOVE to bash their hosts gun policies, or narcotics laws, or prostitution laws, or relative degree of implementation of communism / socialism. Psychologists would say that MOST parasitic scum use this type of tactic to make them feel better about themselves.

That's why I say screw 'em. They need us FAR more than we need them. America first.

Ally may be a bit promiscuous, but I wouldn't call her a whore.

Eddie

Play watch dog over it constantly.
Babysit them.
Hold their hand.
And yes, hand them money.

What the Hell do they do for us?

LAg2K sez, "We probably need israel, since they are really the only country friendly towards us..."

From a strictly geopolitical view, the single most significant reason we have virtually no other "ally" in the Middle East is our relationship with Isreal.  The critical asset of oil production would no doubt be more easily managed did this relationship not exist.

That being said, the reality of the situation is we use Isreal as a negotiating tool with the Arab/Muslim nations in the area.

I have to get in on this!  

First Jewbait your a fucken asshole! I bet you have a poster of Bob Matthews over your bed.

Second: Israel is the 51st and Egypt is 52nd state of the USA.  I know I'm half Syrian half Irish and I'm married to someone who is Jewish.  Part of my family still lives in Syria and fought in many of the wars with Israel.  My father-in-law lived in Israel for over 20 year and fought the Arabs.  Part of my wife's family lives there now.  They can all go f**ken kill each other as far as I'm concerned.  The only reason why we help Israel is because in this country who ever makes the most noise and has the most bucks gets heard(APAC).  On the Arab side they have the oil.  

None of the countries in this region are truly are friends.  Remeber the oil crisis in the 70's?

On the other side remeber our good friend Jonhthan Polard or better yet the USS Liberty!!

Play watch dog how?  We have never intervened militarily in a conflict they were having.  We've supplied them with arms and money, but we've also done the same for several nations that are now their enemy.
Babysit them how?  Yes, we take their side in some political disputes, but only because it benefits us.
Hand them money?  Sure. We do the same thing to many nations, most of whom treat us no better and usually worse than Israel.
It seems to me SOME people have unrealistically high expectations for Israel as compared to all those other countries to whom we give aid.

I say stand back and let 'em fight. Thats what they want to do. As long as I'm on a middle east roll, when we took Kuwait back because those pus*ies wouldn't even defend their own country we should have simply kept it for ourselves. Would have helped put a dent in our oil problem.

The biggest example of our playing watch dog was during Dersert Storm. The US kept them completely out of it. I know this was so as to not piss off the other countries in the region. But then instead of being appreciative that we placed our troops in harms way they demanded we give them nine billion dollars they lost due to the war. They acted as though it was our fault they lost tourism. We spent one billion dollars a day on the war to keep their asses safe and sound from Scuds and the evil Iraq.
We stand behind them no matter what they do in the region with the threat of our military if anyone gets too rough with them.
I'm not really sure how backing them in political disputes does a damn thing for us.

Your are right though. They do exactly the same thing that all other nations that take our money do. Bitch and moan that they just want more money.
I don't have too high of expectations of them. I have the same expectations of them that I do of all the nations that we hand out to. I don't expect a damn thing from them.....any of them. Why should they change now? They have been mooching off of US welfare without doing anything in return for it long enough they have no reason to change now.

It isn't just Isreal. It is all nations. We have people in this country that are eating dog food and living in freekin' card board boxes while we send money, supplies, troops and every other thing over seas to some candyass that does nothing in return for it. The trouble with Isreal is that most people in this country that bitch about us doing it with other countries think it is perfectly fine if it is Isreal. So I ask again....what the Hell do they do for us?

They're just another small chickenshit country sucking off the US tax funded welfare tit.

They exist as a nation because of us: Harry Truman made the modern state of Israel possible via the UN.

Aside from that, US satelite intelligence was secretly provided to Israel at a critical time during, I believe, the 1967 war. This intelligence was key to their success against Egypt. And it has helped build their reputation as superior fighters.

We have also provided them with considerable amount of military hardware, and we originally trained their F-16 pilots, etc.

So they owe us big time.

I frankly don't see what we get out of the deal. I'd rather not be involved in the Middle East, with the exception of trade ties. I admire Israel, the tenacity, the fighting spirit. And Israel is basically a Western nation, which is much more easy to relate to than its neighbors. Yet I fail to see that supporting Israel is important to US national interests.

Thank you Don.

I'm still waiting to hear exactly what it is they do for us.

They were the only nation outside the Gulf of Mexico that supported us in our invasion of Granada. Even England was unhappy with us over that.

On a more practicle level, during the Cold War, Israel was pro-US, while the arab nations tended to be pro-Soviet. No doubt this is somewhat circular: Israel pretty much had to be pro-US, and that probably pushed the arabs towards the Soviets. Neither the arabs nor Israel were ideologically free-market capitalist or Marxist. But I guess you could say, we all choose our teams, and Israel was on our team, even if not officially.

OK.  They attack our intelligence asset without cause, warning or apology.  Mistake my ass.

They drain FAR too much freely given money from our coffers and for what?  Nothing.

They constantly involve us, to our detriment, in a go nowhere, do nothing 'peace process' whose beginning is forgotten and whose end we will NEVER see.

The constantly foment unrest by failing to see 'the other sides' viewpoint (sounds like a number of us here at AR15.com) to the detriment of everyone living in that cesspool called the middle east.

They treat us as an enemy in the dark and gladhand us in the light of day.

After all that, Ally.  Look at the rest of our 'allies' and tell me if they don't do one, or all, of the above at some time in our relationship with them.  

Global politics is a labyrinthine a beast with too many faces for any one man, or country, to ever be able to say he understands it.  Our relationship with Israel is necessary (for both parties) and, at the same time, a constant source of irritation (once again, for both parties).  It will NEVER change.

Just thought you might be interested.

CB

Ah, here you all are, I was wondering why there were no anti-Israli voices on this other thread:
[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=43150[/url]

Ally: To combine for some special purpose; unite by formal agreement(to or with):To associate; connect.
This fits somewhat, without our endless influx of money, where would Israel be ?

Whore: The exchange of money or other valuables for sex.
This also fits, Israel gets our money and we get fucked.
I think the word parasite is more fitting to describe our relationship to the land of the "chosen".

How about an address to the UN like: "With all nations, we desire peaceful coexistance, but we (the US) will lay waste to any pissant nation who fucks with us. And to our beloved allies, I can only say: Start pullin' your weight, or you can fuck off." End of address. Where the hell is good ol' "Blood and Guts" when ya need him?

Yes, Mr. Chairman I would like to nominate Mr. Popper, that is Mr. Melon Popper, as US ambassador to the United Nations.

HERE!HERE! I second that motion.[heavy]