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5/29/2017 5:35:05 AM
Posted: 8/4/2001 12:03:11 AM EDT
any info on 10/22 fa kits.
Link Posted: 8/4/2001 12:13:05 AM EDT
No--illegal to own a newly made Machine Gun for civilian use. The only legal machine guns (transferable) for civilian ownership were made before 1986 and/or imported before 1968. Unlike the "assault weapon" ban of '94 (usually, they only charge you with violations in conjunction with another crime)--the ATF will actively search you out for posession of an illegal machine gun and you will spend about 10 years in a Federal Prison (along with a $100,000 fine) being Bubba's (or Jamal's, or Julio's) Bitch. If you want a full auto 10/.22 legally, you need to spend about $4500.oo to get one of the ones that John Norrell made before the 1986 ban, get the CLEO sign off, get your fingerprints taken, pay the $200 tax to the ATF and legally own it. AFARR
Link Posted: 8/4/2001 12:34:29 AM EDT
How about a Gatling gun? They have plans and kits somewhere out there using 10/22's and crank handle devices. Yeah, I know it's not full auto. But it's legal in most places, so far.
Link Posted: 8/4/2001 9:25:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/4/2001 9:21:46 AM EDT by mattsd]
if your a class 3 dealer, can you have new machine guns???
Link Posted: 8/4/2001 2:52:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/4/2001 2:52:36 PM EDT by e8ght]
You can legally make 'em in Canada IF you have the appropriate thousand-dollar prohibited manufacturer's permit and IF you intend to sell the firearm to military, police or other approved buyers. Make it REALLY ugly, price it around the price of a modest truck, then phone 'em up once in a while to ask if they wanna buy your homemade 22 - of course, there would have to be some testing, some demonstrations, etc... If some agency actually buys it, make another to uh satisfy the growing demand. ;) edited cuz my trigger finger thinks I'm still at the range.
Link Posted: 8/4/2001 3:38:29 PM EDT
If you are a manufacturer, yes, you can have/make new MG's, but they can only be transfered to a dealer with a "Demo" letter from a local governmental agency. If you are a dealer, you can have "Pre-samples" which basically means imported (or re-imported) between '68 and '86. Sometimes you will see them called "Pre-May" (i.e. May of 1986). These items can be retained by the dealer for his personal use after he gives up his C-3 license. He can only transfer them to another dealer, never sell them to a civilian. These are typically $5500 Factory MP-5's for example. Dealers can have "Post-samples"--made or imported after '86, but must have a letter from a local gov.org agency requesting a demo of that item. Dealers usually have a good rapport with their local LEO's to get the letters they want. Even if the police department really doesn't want a full auto AK, the dealer can get and hold on to one if he gets the demo letter. If he gives up his license, he must transfer these to another dealer or have them destroyed. These are the factory $800 M-16's and $1200 MP-5's. Civilians can only own "Transferrable" MG's--made domestically before '86 or imported before '68. They have to pay the ATF a $200 transfer tax to get the gun (a one time tax on each transfer). Civilian ownership is made on a Form 4 (tax paid transfer). Dealer ownership is made on a Form 3 (dealer to dealer transfer, tax free for someone who has paid their Special Occupational Tax--"SOT", a $500/annual fee to cover all their transfers). The AK-47's, MP-5's, etc. you see as transferable are actually imported as a semi-auto (before 1986) and were converted (manufactured as a machine gun) by a Class 2 manufacturer before the May '86 cutoff. Sears (Registered DIAS and HK Sears) were all made before the '86 ban also. They are the registered item, so installing them in a semi-auto is not manufacturing a machine gun (the "machine gun conversion part" was already registered). You are also exempt from the Assault Weapon ban, barrel length requirement, etc as long as the sear is in the gun. Take it out, all the evil features must come off. These guns are the $8000 MP-5's and $6000 M-16's. AFARR
Link Posted: 8/8/2001 12:14:45 PM EDT
http://gatlingguns.com has the gatlin gun kit. Shoots almost as fast as a FA.... legal in most areas! -Chuck
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