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Posted: 7/30/2001 2:06:36 PM EST
First it ruined MTV. Now it has infiltrated my pop radio station, popping up unexpectedly and raising my blood pressure when it does. Drives me up the wall. Ditto when some dickweed pulls up next to me with his bass blaster spewing out the same. It's not music, music involves "notes". Somebody must like it. Why?
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 2:09:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By MoleEye: Ditto when some dickweed pulls up next to me with his bass blaster spewing out the same.
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Yup. The things you see, or hear, when you don't have a grenade launcher. [rocket]
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 2:19:46 PM EST
I'm not sure how it caught on. And I'm really suprised that it's lasted this long. I keep waiting for it to go away.
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Link Posted: 7/30/2001 2:28:46 PM EST
Aren't we all suppose to listen to this to prove that we are not bigots? Besides don't they have some kind of right to share their cultural arts with you.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 2:30:15 PM EST
Society accepts baggy-pants-wearing, jobless, get-girl-pregnant-and-leave, crack-smoking, low-rider-car-driving, bass-speaker-blasting, rap playing people of society as a normal part of their culture. But be the guy who enjoys taking an AR15 to the range and your the DEVIL!! [}:D]
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 2:38:42 PM EST
I'm sick of it too. My 12yr old son likes that $hit too. Thank goodness my daughter outgrew it! Perhaps he will too. I'd hate to think my son worships that culture. It would kill me!
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 2:55:07 PM EST
Just another way found for the music industry to bring in more dollars. Nothing but a bunch of damn garbage as far as I am concerned.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:04:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:08:59 PM EST
Motown will crush rap any day.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:13:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/30/2001 3:15:52 PM EST by btip]
Originally Posted By raf: I heard that Disco was coming back. Maybe that'll do it.
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I would prefer Disco any day of the week. I grew up on Southern Rock - Skynyrd, Mollyhatchet, Blackfoot, Allman Brothers, Charlie Daniels, etc. BUT, I use to keep a few Disco cassettes just for the ladies if you know what I mean! Funk, Motown, Disco is cool, but rap sucks. If you ever want to see a funny as heck parody of rap music, get a copy of the movie "Fear of a Black Hat". It never made a big hit but it is a story about a rap group told as a documentary that follows their success and their split up of the group, single careers, etc. VERY irreverent!
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:14:12 PM EST
I listen to a LOT of music from all genres. One thing to consider is that just because the crackhead-gangsta losers listen to rap does not make it bad. I have seen quite a few scumbags with awesome guns at shooting ranges over the years - but that does not make the guns bad. I know that a lot of you probably hate/dislike Eminem - but I love his music - I love the way people react to it without giving him (or other talented artists) a chance. Tyler
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:17:31 PM EST
I am listing to rap right now. It will never be better than rock, but it is better than that bubblegum pop sh!t.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:17:42 PM EST
......[uzi]RAP[grenade]
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:18:00 PM EST
It appeals to mans Primal side. and lets face it, some folks are a little closer to "Primal" than others. Just as war drums were used to put you in the right mindset to rage into battle, rap enrages certain people into violence. [x] BTW,just to be fair, Heavy metal, bagpipes and certain classical scores, could very easily rage me into battle !! difference is, I can control myself, while others cant.[:D]
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:20:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/31/2001 7:35:55 AM EST by DJbump]
A different perspective on this. Here's the reason I enjoy some rap/hip-hop. First let's define what I mean by rap/hip-hop. Real hip-hop to me is Public Enemy, A Tribe Called Quest, Common, Eric B and Rakim, etc (those who know will follow with the rest). Alot of the shit out now is money, cars, ho(s), bullshit. Those examples are examples of the current paradigm--style over substance, etc. That is not TRUE hip-hop. True hip-hop is the stuff with something to say about the current state of our society and the resistance to the over-whelming spiritless-ness of it. The guiding force of our current society is the forces who oppose Creator and the societal behaviors that flow from that. True Hip-Hop expresses a displeasure of that, and a resistance to it, and therefor an obedience to self-reliance, unity, and Creator. Many (and I'm not saying all) of the voices I hear in opposition to hip-hop as I have defined it really have at their core an opposition to the color/race of the artists bringing you the hip-hop.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:21:27 PM EST
97% of the Rap Music that is heard on the radio, seen on MTV or BET, or promoted/distributed by the corporate owned record companies tpday is pure $hit. It is made for no other reason but to make money. The greater evil is that it corrupts the minds of our youth. However, there is some Rap Music being created by some true artist that is truly great. Most of it will never be heard on any commercial radio/video station. The sad thing is that the orgins of Rap Music are not to be found in the $hit talking, woman hating, violence glorifying,fake gangster, materialism we hear today. As for MTV.... it has always sucked!
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:23:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/30/2001 3:27:36 PM EST by raven]
Rap/hip hop is here to stay. Sorry. Sometimes I like rap, sometimes I hate it. What I really dislike is when they sample old rock/pop songs and rap over the melody they stole. Eminem's musicians can at least come up with catchy little melodies. Asswipes like Puff Daddy and Tupac have to steal theirs. The absolute most gut-churning example was Puff Daddy's song "Come With Me", where he rapped over Kashmir by Led Zeppelin. Sacreligious. Even worse is that Page appeared in the video. I mean, sampling is one thing. Rappers have been sampling since the Beastie Boy's first album (which had great samples from Zep and Black Sabbath that worked) but Puff Daddy goes way over the line, and sounds like shit to boot. He can get away with it because I guess his core fans haven't heard songs like "Every Breath you Take" and "Kashmir", and probably thought he wrote the songs.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:30:13 PM EST
[in my best old Yiddish man accent] oy, that rock and roll music, vat is this craziness? so loud and ven the kids drive up, boom boom vit the stereos. and the little goils vit the crazy clothes. for shame, i say. i don't understand it. vy can't these kids listen to something nice like Perry Como or Mel Torme or that nice Lawrence Welk fella. [/Yiddish] um, i'm no spring chicken, but i think some of y'all are in that phase where you are sounding like your parents did when you were 12. this thread is cracking me up. scott out
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Link Posted: 7/30/2001 3:56:51 PM EST
My 11 year old daughter heard Sting singing "Every Breath You Take" on the radio in my car the other day and she said "hey, that guy' singing Puff Daddy's song." That evening at home we had a long discussion, with object lessons, about music. I made her listen to al kinds of the good old stuff. Earth, Wind & Fire The Eagles Chicago Sly & The Family Stone Average White Band Tower of Power Quincy Jones Miles Davis & many, many more....
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 4:01:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By raven: He can get away with it because I guess his core fans haven't heard songs like "Every Breath you Take" and "Kashmir", and probably thought he wrote the songs.
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You should have seen how far my jaw dropped when I first heard "come with me" at the end of that stupid movie Godzilla. I nearly shot the TV. Yes, and don't forget the newly stolen tune--"Joker", by the Steve Miller Band.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 4:10:21 PM EST
DJbump: ... I feel ya!
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 4:11:19 PM EST
To sum it all up, [red][size=6]RAP SUCKS!!!![/size=6][/red] How can unintelligable spoken word, mixxed over computer generated noise and sound effects, be considered "music". I know I remember my dad saying the same thing about rock music back in the `70's, but these days he likes rock (after hearing rap). Hell, we all used to wear "Disco Sucks" t-shirts in the old days, but now if I go into a club and they play some disco, it's a relief! Sam Kennison was right.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 5:22:11 PM EST
scottjimenez - That is exactly what I was thinking, only I was goint to blame Elvis for the downfall of society. Teens want to rebel, and will keep pushing the limits to be on the edge. While I am not a big fan of rap, I like it better than elevator music. If you don't want your kids listening to it, you can do what the did in Southpark. Start listening to it and calling it cool. Buy some CDs, and wear baggy pants. Your kids will be so repulsed, they will start listening to classical. What really hits my nerve is country music these days. Its sounds more like rock than country western. There is no more western left in it. I grew up hearing Hank Sr., Patsy Cline, The Gatlin Brothers, Merle Haggard, etc. on 8-track tapes. To rebel, I listened to AC/DC, Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, The Eagles, etc. I know the adults back then couldn't stand it. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Link Posted: 7/30/2001 5:34:25 PM EST
Going way back.... to a time when rap was cool.... and HK91s sold for $400.00.... [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/p46a4a3ac12288b0b4e6c9054a1823b03/fe526f27.jpg.orig.jpg[/img] Warning the subject SteyrAUG is proof of the strong connection between rap, porn and high performance firearms.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 5:45:09 PM EST
Im not a fan of gangsta rap, but country music annoy's me more. bluegrass and country music is like kryptonite, it'll send me packin' ...oh yes and polka music too!!!! alternativepoptechno lib
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 6:38:52 PM EST
Steyr, WHODINI. WILD STYLE(that old school tagging is the bomb) Man that IS old school. I recall Grand Master Flash and the furious 5. The Fat boys Afrikaa Bambata Doug E Fresh And who could forget Malcolm McLaren that brought scratching to the main stream with Rockit by having it played on top 40 stations instead of just the clubs. Man does were the days. Break dancing. Use to have a mobile DJ crew. Mixing and scratching, old school, non of this looping and digital crap. YOu wanted to do 30sec quick mixes you actually had to have at least 4 wheels of steel. Sometime 5, one to keep the back beat. ahhh those were the days. get into clubs for free. chicks galore. The 80's I miss it. Some of the rap song of today are crap. However there are some good ones out there. Jayzee and Nelly are some of my favorites. The gangsta rap stuff I can do without.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 6:47:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By lordtrader: Steyr, WHODINI. WILD STYLE(that old school tagging is the bomb) Man that IS old school. I recall Grand Master Flash and the furious 5. The Fat boys Afrikaa Bambata Doug E Fresh And who could forget Malcolm McLaren that brought scratching to the main stream with Rockit by having it played on top 40 stations instead of just the clubs. Man does were the days. Break dancing. Use to have a mobile DJ crew. Mixing and scratching, old school, non of this looping and digital crap. YOu wanted to do 30sec quick mixes you actually had to have at least 4 wheels of steel. Sometime 5, one to keep the back beat. ahhh those were the days. get into clubs for free. chicks galore. The 80's I miss it. Some of the rap song of today are crap. However there are some good ones out there. Jayzee and Nelly are some of my favorites. The gangsta rap stuff I can do without.
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Corrections: Herbie Handcocks D.J. on "Rockit" was Grandmixedr D.S.T. Malcom McLaren did "Do Ya Like Scratchin'" and later worked with the World Famous Supreme Team whose most notable was "Hey D.J." And of course I can cut faster than YOU. I think you would die if you saw my vinyl collection. Dougie Fresh 12" singles on Enjoy. Beasie Boys def jam purple labels. Grandmaster Caz on Sugar Hill. Too many to name.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 6:47:53 PM EST
Ahhh yes, Rap music - Remember, the "C" is silent! I have it on good authority that rap was invented by young angry black men to pi** off white America. Our kids liked the idea, so they started buying it to pi** off their parents. It's working. Don't get me wrong - I don't think it's ALL bad. Hell, there's even some COUNTRY music I like. [:D]
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 7:01:10 PM EST
what no mc hammer and vannela ice [:D]
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 7:10:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By mejames: AC/DC
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Link Posted: 7/30/2001 7:29:07 PM EST
I hate rap too... everyone my age (20ish) they all love rap and I got to say... it aint music! to me rap is just a bunch of BOOM BOOM de BOOM BOOM and stuff like that and it has no notes, just some guy cussing around or whatever... rock , be it hard rock or heavy metal or whatever, it has notes, and at least its music.... got to love the guitar work...
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 7:41:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: And of course I can cut faster than YOU.
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Maybe now, but in my hayday, I was the bomb baby. "DJ Mr Mytique, jammin the beat that is so unique". I'll see if I can find one of my old tapes and dnld on an ftp to send over.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 8:46:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By scottjimenez: um, i'm no spring chicken, but i think some of y'all are in that phase where you are sounding like your parents did when you were 12. this thread is cracking me up. scott out
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Um, no - rap music really does blow goats. I'm 21, listen to Metallica, Led Zep, Boston, Aerosmith, Eminem, Ozzy, Wierd Al, and even some Classical and New Age thrown in there for kicks. I can cover all of my musical bases, both new and old, and as a musical harmonics expert (as stated by NYU), I can honestly say that (most) Rap music is crap - both musically and in content. When I'm old and gray like all these other geezers on the board, I'll say the exact same things I'm saying now [:P] [brown]Evil Jewbroni~ 8 posts left[/brown]
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 8:56:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/30/2001 8:56:39 PM EST by Weiseguy]
It seems to me that what ever genre of music is popular sucks. No matter how great the musical accomplishments of the genre's pioneers, as soon as there is serious money involved it becomes populated with lame copy cats that wouldn't know an original musical thought if it bit them on the ass. They might know what the music is supposed to sound like but the compositions are simple and the lyrics vacuous. There were a lot of really crappy rock bands but only still listen to the great ones. Disco was pretty stinky at the time, but it isn't so bad now because only the best examples survive the test of time. Rap is todays disco and it sure does suck. I hate rap as much as anyone, I'm sure. I do however own one rap album by Run DMC. It is actually damn good music. If I were willing to wade through the rest of the Rap shit (I'm not), I could probably find other examples of good rap albums. Perhaps in 10 or 15 years, I'll be glad when some good old Rap comes on the radio to give me a break from whatever lame ass music is in vogue.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 9:05:42 PM EST
I liked rap when I was 11-13. Grew up and realized it was crude, and immature like I was at that age. My deduction is that people who like this Eminem trash and rap are of the same mentality or mental caliber.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 9:15:33 PM EST
Cant we all just get along? I just finished burning a new MP3 CD for my car. It is a good mix of Stone Temple Pilots, Rolling Stones, Ice Cube, The Who, Metallica, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, and more. Maybe I am just a ghetto thug... not. Rap is just modern day rock and roll. If you want to see a valid reason why rap stared go rent and watch "boyz in the hood". If you cant open your eyes to what's going on around you then you are no better then our "feral" government. "bahhhhh" jus another sheep without my gun.
Link Posted: 7/30/2001 11:20:57 PM EST
If I had a digital camera right now, I would post the "KISS "Double Platinum"" lp for your viewing enjoyment. Double Platinum can also be had on CD.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 1:12:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/31/2001 1:10:05 AM EST by 223DEVIL]
Originally Posted By lordtrader: Steyr, WHODINI. WILD STYLE(that old school tagging is the bomb) Man that IS old school. I recall Grand Master Flash and the furious 5. The Fat boys Afrikaa Bambata Doug E Fresh And who could forget Malcolm McLaren that brought scratching to the main stream with Rockit by having it played on top 40 stations instead of just the clubs. Man does were the days. Break dancing. Use to have a mobile DJ crew. Mixing and scratching, old school, non of this looping and digital crap. YOu wanted to do 30sec quick mixes you actually had to have at least 4 wheels of steel. Sometime 5, one to keep the back beat. ahhh those were the days. get into clubs for free. chicks galore. The 80's I miss it. Some of the rap song of today are crap. However there are some good ones out there. Jayzee and Nelly are some of my favorites. The gangsta rap stuff I can do without.
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Lordtrader, You remind me of a back in the day mobile dj. When everybody had their own DJ group. Then have DJ battles every week. Ya ever had the pump with long hair in the back? I bet you listened to JJ fad, Sir mix alot, cynthia, cover girls, and rob base. hahaha.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 1:19:31 AM EST
I listen to Rap and r&b. Can't stand anything else. Especially Country
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 1:21:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By 223DEVIL:
Originally Posted By lordtrader: Steyr, WHODINI. WILD STYLE(that old school tagging is the bomb) Man that IS old school. I recall Grand Master Flash and the furious 5. The Fat boys Afrikaa Bambata Doug E Fresh And who could forget Malcolm McLaren that brought scratching to the main stream with Rockit by having it played on top 40 stations instead of just the clubs. Man does were the days. Break dancing. Use to have a mobile DJ crew. Mixing and scratching, old school, non of this looping and digital crap. YOu wanted to do 30sec quick mixes you actually had to have at least 4 wheels of steel. Sometime 5, one to keep the back beat. ahhh those were the days. get into clubs for free. chicks galore. The 80's I miss it. Some of the rap song of today are crap. However there are some good ones out there. Jayzee and Nelly are some of my favorites. The gangsta rap stuff I can do without.
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Lordtrader, You remind me of a back in the day mobile dj. When everybody had their own DJ group. Then have DJ battles every week. Ya ever had the pump with long hair in the back? I bet you listened to JJ fad, Sir mix alot, cynthia, cover girls, and rob base. hahaha.
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Cynthia was seXy. You wouldn't want to forget EXpose and Sweet Sensation.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 3:38:13 AM EST
Expose, Trinere, Debie Deb, etc. That's about it. When I was a Sr. in H.S. and part of college I DJ'd at a club in S.F. Been going to clubs since I was about 15(had fake ID) Grew up on this stuff. I use to listen to a lot of metal when I was younger. Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden etc. However as I got into H.S., the hotter chicks were into dance music and r&b. So I changed gears. Got rid of the tight jeans and grungy clothes and turned a lil hip hop-ish and preppy. Got together with a couple of guys. Got a mobile DJ started. We started out doing Catholic shool dances since we all came from Catholic school. After a year we got somewhat know in the bay area, and we started participating in DJ battles, sucked at first, but started placing after awhile. Was great cause mobile DJ's in S.F. were kinda like a band, you gather up a following. You get to know the club DJ's and by going to clubs you get to know the staff. You never have to wait in line, and sometimes your drinks are free. And there no off limits area in the club to you. When chicks knew you as a DJ, they pretty much throw themselves at you cause you can get em in at clubs. as I said, AHHHHHH those were the days. Was hard work mobile DJ'ng though. We had Klipsch LaScala speakers which were about 150lbs each, the records, amps, lights, the turntable mixer, monitor speaker, all needed lugging around. It was like moving every weekend. The rest is history.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 3:56:48 AM EST
I just hate it, it brings me down and pisses me off. My home and property are Rap free Zones, It has no redeeming value unless your some murdering untrainable Democrat that only thinks of drugs,sex,abortions,food stamps,and drive bys. The scum at the bottom of a septic tank has more purpose.I am getting pissed just thinking about it.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 4:23:28 AM EST
the boyz in my hood are always rollin slow-style into the hood bumpin and bangin their "music" always after 11:00 pm. in the spirit of live and let live, i don't complain or anything...i just wake up the lower part of new york on saturday mornings with the hardest possible bethoven cd i can find! their cars are loud, but my 56" stereo speakers aimed at the open windows are louder! [}:D]
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:23:39 AM EST
Lordtrader: [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/pa0791e1f0b73ebc18a32e4b04c34b64a/fe522129.jpg.orig.jpg[/img] Two Technics SL-1200MK2 and Numark DM-1800 [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/pd3bb19920697da2f0fed19924d496835/fe522126.jpg.orig.jpg[/img] A couple monitors... [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/p0aae62205c2469a91372d613f31062cd/fe522125.jpg.orig.jpg[/img] The SteyrAUG record collection. Every significant hip hop/dance record from creation until about 10 years ago. The only new rap I like is Kid Rock and new stuff by Beasties, etc. Give me a "HO"........no really....go get me one. Preferably blond and kinda slutty. Or Puerto Rican and kinda blond.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:40:36 AM EST
Steyr, that's an awesome set-up. I wish I have never gotten rid of my equipment. I had 2 SL1200MK2 1 Gemini POS(I used for an auxilary table, beats and stuff) 1 Numark 1850 2 Hafler amp(don't recall the model now) 2 Klipsch LaScala 1 Cerwin Vega woofers Probably about as much records as you which I sold also. 2 strobes 1 rope light 1 fog machine 1 shall we say 5 fingered discount police light bar. I can't believe we use to tear down/set up/tear down and lug all that stuff around almost every weekend. I use to have quiet a collection of latino music too. I DJ'ed a lot of quienesenera's. Of course the ole Cool and the Gangs Celebrate and Heatwaves Always and Forever which was a must have for weddings. How long you been spinnin'? Have DJ'ed at a club or mobile or just for fun.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:52:13 AM EST
Never did weddings, etc. Only parties for buddies and battles. Been a battle jock since 83. Our crew DJ started teaching me how to mix back in the breakin days. Got some gear and went to work. I've done clubs and radio, but mostly did it for the girls and my own interest in music. We used to have massive dj wars. We have someone running a Roland backbeat and we'd just start stacking beats and rippin cuts. I've still got tapes.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 9:01:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: but mostly did it for the girls and my own interest in music. We used to have massive dj wars. We have someone running a Roland backbeat and we'd just start stacking beats and rippin cuts. I've still got tapes.
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Mostly did it for the chick too. Went to a battle once in Oakland CA. Back when Uncle Jams Army was starting to get big. The Egyptian lover was there. I got tore up in that battle. Cameron Paul, who is kinda of a staple in the S.F. bay area, took that one hands down. Pissed of Uncle Jams Army crew. He was spinnin 5 tables by himself. Dude was awesome. My crew had 4 table with me and my buddy working it. Out of 10 I think we placed like 8 or 9th. Competition is fierce now in the bay area. They have this guy I went to H.S. with that is pretty huge there now, he goes by DJ QBert. Qbert was the name we gave him in H.S. cause he looked like the character from the game. Wish I would've kept on it. Lots of money to be made. Take Jelly Bean Benitez, he made a ton and got noticed by mixing Madonna's early stuff. Now he moved on to producing. Maybe you oughta start looking into that since you're bored.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 9:15:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By InTheBlack: Society accepts baggy-pants-wearing, jobless, get-girl-pregnant-and-leave, crack-smoking, low-rider-car-driving, bass-speaker-blasting, rap playing people of society as a normal part of their culture. But be the guy who enjoys taking an AR15 to the range and your the DEVIL!! [}:D]
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This is so true [uzi]
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