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6/21/2017 8:25:40 PM
Posted: 7/24/2001 8:34:30 PM EDT
These guys should have a 2 week ride-along program. [img]http://www.isayeret.com/photos/sf-135.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.isayeret.com/photos/sf-195.jpg[/img] can anyone tell me what is this? [img]http://www.isayeret.com/photos/sf-114.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 8:40:54 PM EDT
[img]http://www.isayeret.com/photos/sf-28.jpg[/img] the pics above are IDF SF forces the pics below are civilian SF units [img]http://www.isayeret.com/civi/civi-97.jpg[/img] notice the shooting stance they use [img]http://www.isayeret.com/civi/civi4.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 8:43:04 PM EDT
[img]http://www.isayeret.com/yamam/yamam-101.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 8:49:37 PM EDT
[img]http://www.isayeret.com/photos/sf-114.jpg[/img] automatic 40mm grenade launcher belt feed?
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 8:55:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrax777: automatic 40mm grenade launcher belt feed?
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Looks a lot smaller than 40mm. Just a guess, but a Russian 30mm auto GL (I think it's called the AGS-17)???
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 8:57:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 7_62___for_me: the pics below are civilian SF units
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What is a civilian SF unit? Like an LE special unit, or more like militia? I wish we had civilian SF, I guess we do have tactical mall ninja operators, that's close enough.
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 9:15:58 PM EDT
Looks to me like a M2 .50 cal
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 9:51:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/24/2001 9:49:00 PM EDT by M15A2]
[img]http://www.isayeret.com/photos/sf-28.jpg[/img] Meet my new wallpaper. I must now retire the merlin engine.
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 1:37:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrax777: automatic 40mm grenade launcher belt feed? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looks a lot smaller than 40mm. Just a guess, but a Russian 30mm auto GL (I think it's called the AGS-17)???
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Doesn't it look more like a .50BMG?
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 1:54:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ultima ratio: Doesn't it look more like a .50BMG?
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Now that you mention it, yeah, it does look more like an M2HB. Just looks a bit meaner from that angle than I expected...
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 2:14:31 AM EDT
IS that NSFjojo in the top picture? it shure looks like it. [:D]
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 2:27:11 AM EDT
It is a 50 cal, remember a 50 cal is 12.7 mm, 25.4mm to the inch, so a 40mm is 1.57" wide.
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 6:04:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 6:09:29 AM EDT
Was this a scene from the new Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers movie? [img]www.isayeret.com/civi/civi4.jpg[/img] Sorry, couldn't resist.
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 6:21:08 AM EDT
What is with all those guys using the magazine as a handguard? Is that the new and improved style? Lovely modified weaver iscoseles! Geeeeze keystone coppers
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 7:31:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 7_62___for_me: These guys should have a 2 week ride-along program. [img]http://www.isayeret.com/photos/sf-195.jpg[/img] Just another day at the office for these guys.
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Link Posted: 7/25/2001 8:12:50 AM EDT
i sure wouldnt be calling the isreali military/police keystone coppers, they are fierce fighters and kick a lot of ass. true there style of pistol shooting is different that our western ways, and almost looks silly and useless (and maybe it is in our minds0, but thats the way they do things there and have there reasons for it. it wasnt too long ago that US PD's were teaching their officers to bend there knees while shooting a pistol, just not as drastic. the IDF might even say the US ways of combat shooting is wrong, and from a russian video i have a former spetsnatz says the US does it wrong also. where IMO both the spetsnatz and IDF have flaws in there combat shooting skills. the IDF teachs to carry a pistol with empty chamber and mag loaded, safety off. to draw they squat down (dont remember the reason why), draw the pistol, bring it to there chest, left hand grabs the slide of the pistol, right hand pushs pistol forward to target and racking the slide, left hand comes froward to create a 2 handed grip. the western ways obviously think its silly to go through so many steps and to even start with a gun that has an empty chamber. but if you carry in condition 3(?) then its pretty fast.
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 8:20:10 AM EDT
This is in responce to the guy with the machine gun. It is a M-2 Browning .50 cal. It has the belt flipped over the reciever. If I was to to go to war with this guy, I would shoot him first. His machine gun would jam on thhe first round.
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 10:44:40 AM EDT
Yup...I'll bet it's a Ma Deuce. One each .50 caliber BMG. Easy to see...but I am curious as to why he has the belt up and over the weapon. The King of machine guns. My dad used one in the '40s, I used one in the '60s-'80s, my son used one in the '90s, and they are still part of most combat units. Now that is a testament to a fine weapon. Imagine the rifles that been standard issue in the United States armed forces since the .50 BMG was introduced: -M1903/A3 -M1 Garand -M1 Carbine -M14 -M16 -??? [heavy]
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 2:31:43 PM EDT
It looks like as Ken pointed out it is either a reversed negative or they switched the weapon to right hand feed and left hand cocking. May be there isn't room for an ammo can on the feed side of the weapon.
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 7:53:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/25/2001 7:51:25 PM EDT by mrcr0603]
Originally Posted By LAgunman2K: i sure wouldnt be calling the isreali military/police keystone coppers, they are fierce fighters and kick a lot of ass. true there style of pistol shooting is different that our western ways, and almost looks silly and useless (and maybe it is in our minds0, but thats the way they do things there and have there reasons for it. it wasnt too long ago that US PD's were teaching their officers to bend there knees while shooting a pistol, just not as drastic. the IDF might even say the US ways of combat shooting is wrong, and from a russian video i have a former spetsnatz says the US does it wrong also. where IMO both the spetsnatz and IDF have flaws in there combat shooting skills. the IDF teachs to carry a pistol with empty chamber and mag loaded, safety off. to draw they squat down (dont remember the reason why), draw the pistol, bring it to there chest, left hand grabs the slide of the pistol, right hand pushs pistol forward to target and racking the slide, left hand comes froward to create a 2 handed grip. the western ways obviously think its silly to go through so many steps and to even start with a gun that has an empty chamber. but if you carry in condition 3(?) then its pretty fast.
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I'm thinking that they're trying for a "crouch" type firing position. The Army's own Field Manual covering pistol & revolver training (FM 23-35, Oct 88) has this about crouch firing: "Crouch Position. Use the crouch position when surprise targets are engaged at close range (it refers to a pic in the book). Place the body in a forward crouch (boxer's stance) with the knees bent slightly and trunk bent forward from the hips to give faster recovery from recoil. Place the feet naturally in a position that allows another step toward the target. Extend the weapon straight toward the target, and lock the wrist and elbow of the firing arm. It is important to consistently train with this position, [b]since the body will automatically crouch under conditions of stress such as combat."[/b] FM 23-35, Chapter 2, paragraph 2-8(d.). Chris
Link Posted: 7/25/2001 8:33:18 PM EDT
notice the shooting stance they use
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i have noticed taht before. oon TOG guns of IMI. they were showing the jericho. they shoot in a odd squat
Link Posted: 7/26/2001 8:07:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By STLRN: It looks like as Ken pointed out it is either a reversed negative or they switched the weapon to right hand feed and left hand cocking. May be there isn't room for an ammo can on the feed side of the weapon.
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It looks as though the weapon isn't loaded and he has the belt draped over the top where he can get it quickly.
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