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Posted: 7/21/2001 3:01:02 AM EDT
I know this debate could go on forever and ever, but i'd like some input on this. I myself still haven't made up my mind. I know most of us who are armed during the course of our employment are issued Glocks,......but..
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 4:19:42 AM EDT
H&K USP
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 4:47:15 AM EDT
I am leaning towards the USP myself. I own a USP .45, I would certainly bet my life on it. the cocked and locked feature is nice. [:D]
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 5:20:12 AM EDT
I like my Glocks, ideally though, give me a Kimber...strictly for looks alone.
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 6:24:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/21/2001 6:21:58 AM EDT by LARRYG]
Sig P220 in .45 ACP, Sig P228 in 9mm (currently LE only from Sig), Sig P229 in 9mm or .40, or Sig P226 in 9mm or .40.
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 9:00:45 AM EDT
HK USP
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 9:10:56 AM EDT
Assuming that there is no need to conceal the firearm I would go with something fullsize in .45 say in SIG P220, but if you WERE TO HAVE access to hi-caps then a SIG or Berretta 9mm w/17 round mags
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 10:55:17 AM EDT
For superior, non-discreet advice on this subject, call: A) 1800-Tac-Girl -- she will say Mk23 with Gemtech supressor, LAM module and maybe a shoulder stock, multiplied by two. This is the most economical choice. Don't forget to jump around with some sai or numchucks or rattan sticks or something. b) 1800-Gecko45-- he will tell you M249 SAW with a minimum combat load of 960rounds, although it is known to feed but marginally off 30 rd mags. We still LIKE Gecko, though because he is honest. If you call 1800-Ustulina, what's wrong with the HK P7M8 besides the crappy price tag? Glock seems to be the obvious choice, though. For that matter the HK USP, Sig, and Walther p 38, S&W M19 all go bang when the trigger is pulled. Embarassment of riches what with all the clever and reliable killing machines we got. Nah. Spend your money on a Dale Carnegie course.
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 11:15:12 AM EDT
Glock #17 or H&K. [sniper]
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 11:32:55 AM EDT
Its like Chevy Vs. Ford. Pick the one that fits your hand and you shoot well! Don't get too caught up on handgun caliber, I use .45acp but know officers who cannot hit anything with one. It does not matter what the caliber is if you cannot hit the target.Good Luck!
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 1:17:09 PM EDT
whatver i can use in a stressfull situation and still hit the target with.
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 2:21:59 PM EDT
Well, My ideal side arm assuming I don't have to conceal it, is a S&W 629 5" with a cross draw holster. I am faster, more accurate, and have confidence in the caliber. I carry the same revolver to hunt or to hike the Colorado forests, it is a long time companion. Rew
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 2:29:48 PM EDT
Glock 23 perfect size & 13 plus 1 [0j]
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 2:52:58 PM EDT
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1800-Tac-Girl -- she will say Mk23 with Gemtech supressor, LAM module and maybe a shoulder stock, multiplied by two. This is the most economical choice. Don't forget to jump around with some sai or numchucks or rattan sticks or something.
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Excuse me sir, but I think I can speak for myself on this board. [img]http://www.hkpro.com/image/mp5k1.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 2:54:00 PM EDT
beretta beretta beretta beretta beretta
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 2:56:10 PM EDT
I have owned and carried several duty sized guns: 1) Ruger P95 2) CZ100 3) Glock 19 4) HS2000 5) Kimber Pro Carry 6) Beretta P92 Custom Carry Which do I like the best of those listed? The one that I decided to keep, the HS2000. Shot better, and did everything that the others did only better in my hands.
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 3:04:53 PM EDT
Is the reliable revolver finally dead? OSA
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 3:48:59 PM EDT
not in my lifetime[:D] Rew
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 3:56:23 PM EDT
H&K USP... damn thing is near perfect
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 3:56:56 PM EDT
does a barret 50 cal count as a "sidearm"
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 4:21:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/21/2001 4:18:26 PM EDT by BusMaster007]
[b][blue]"GETTA BERETTA"[/blue][/b] Model 96. .40 Sheetmetal & Windshield. Hogue Grip & Trijicon. 10 + 1 = Feels good!!!
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 4:33:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/21/2001 4:32:37 PM EDT by Coversix]
I am MADLY in love with three pistols I currently shoot/carry the most. They are: 1) HK USP 40 2)SIG P226 3)Glock 35 (40SW) Which do I lean towards? The G35. Why? Cuz it shoots the most naturally for me, I hit everything I aim at with it, all the controls are accessible without my hand changing from firing position, and follow-up shots are unbelievably controlable. I shoot almost as well with the others (and a Beretta 92 and 96 which I've since traded-BAD MOVE), but it comes down to one thing. Everyone here will tell you one pistol is better than another, but i guarantee you they will ALL AGREE on this point: The one that you shoot the best (assuming its reliable) is the one for you! Rent a bunch at the range before you buy!! Regards and good luck, Coversix *edited cuz I caint speel peestil*
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 6:54:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 7:20:44 PM EDT
I tend to agree with Coversix and say the Glock 35. However, the Sig .40's are great, as is almost anything Beretta. I'd say as long as you pick a reliable gun in a good caliber that fits you well, you've done good. If I could carry a 1911 in uniform, I probably would, but my administrators are deathly afraid of cocked handguns! I'm not a big fan of the 9mm for police duty use, 'cause it just doesn't do well on car glass, so I'd go for .40, .357 Sig, 45, or 10mm in a duty gun.
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 7:40:16 PM EDT
Second generation (the mostly fixed) colt double eagle in 45 acp. I have a officers and a full size which are my carry guns. Having carried an M9 as an MP (cause I wasn't an MPI, bike cop, or woman), The slimmer is the way to go. The double eagle needs a chamber polishing job, and a piece of 600 grit ran over the plastic grips, and it is ready for work. Where else can you get the 45 in the grip angle and size of the 1911, with 1911 magazines and recoil, and a really great DA and SA trigger?
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 7:53:39 PM EDT
The 1911A .45acp is IT. Why do you think the foremost training academies in the United States AND THEIR FOUNDERS (that is, Gunsite with Cooper and Thunder Ranch with Smith) speak so highly of this ingenious pistol designed by Mr. Browning?!?!? It is because it is EXTREMELY reliable, shoots great, and has the best knock-down power out there. Cocked and locked is SO FAST out of the holster, and is quite safe...nothing like drawing down on a BG yet having it on safety until the last moment (good for the courtroom). When going with a 1911 go with a Les Baer, Ed Brown, or Rock River Arms if you can afford them. If not, get the Springfield Armory model, and a Colt only if you've had it worked over by a member of the American Pistolsmiths Guild. Kimber? No way...not for betting your life on (unless you were lucky enough to buy the first year or two's models...the rest are clunky pieces of garbage). DON'T FLAME ME KIMBER LOVERS...ask the expert pistolsmiths of the APG, not the whored-out gun magazine writers. If you have to go with a plastic wonder, then pick the Glock...even though they are ugly sticks, they are damned reliable too. Whatever you do, go with a pistol that has a SINGLE MODE OF FIRE...that is, single-action-only or double-action-only. There are many reasons, not the least of which is that every round fired will have the exact same trigger pull and feel, and there is less to think about. I LOVE MY BERETTA (and HK USPs are great too), but would rather carry a single mode pistol for simplicity of function under stress (less to think about).
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 8:58:13 PM EDT
Tailgate: I have to agree with you on the 1911, it's just to bad that condition one carry is so frightning to the public. Although I love my Kimber[:D], I have settled on my USP .45 for my duty weapon of choice, it just needs to be converted to DAO.
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 9:04:28 PM EDT
H&K USP In a world of compromise some don't! No Slack!
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 9:11:49 PM EDT
Tobin do you really want a DAO HK? Although I love my HKs single action pull the the Double action is really heavy. If HK made a quick action double action I would be for it. I carry my HK on half cock and off safe. A round in chamber of course. No Slack!
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 9:33:42 PM EDT
I don't care what it is or how big it is, as long as I can hit with it. Right now I'm carrying a 1991 compact.
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 11:34:51 PM EDT
Loveland Colorado issues the Delta Elite in 10mm. We're not allowed a single action much less 10mm so I carry a P220 in .45 ACP. Pinkerton Out
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 11:48:23 PM EDT
Duty for Police or Mil svc? If police, I'd go for a 92F, like the idea of double action, 1 up the spout, just gotta draw and shoot. However, I am Army, so all my career (in two different armies of the British Commonwealth, excess of 25yrs combined svc) from a mil side, I'd go with the trusty Browning High Power.
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 4:09:43 AM EDT
1feral1: You know, I almost forgot about the high power, a classic weapon all around. But as for the 9mm, it's just not my caliber of choice in a duty weapon.
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 5:22:28 AM EDT
Any HK USP or SIG in 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, or .357 SIG. Tyler
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 11:59:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TOBIN: Tailgate: I have to agree with you on the 1911, it's just to bad that condition one carry is so frightning to the public. Although I love my Kimber[:D], I have settled on my USP .45 for my duty weapon of choice, it just needs to be converted to DAO.
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TOBIN: That's the problem...the public as a whole is mostly ignorant to firearms and their effective carry and deployment. "Cocked and Locked" is EXTREMELY safe by design of the 1911A...even more so with the 1991 model. Yeah, so the hammer is cocked back. BIG DEAL. You not only have to be gripping the grip safety, but also drop the slide lock safety, and finally engage the most important safety--your trigger finger! In fact, revolver carry is more dangerous because most law enforcement officers keep the cylinder fully loaded. This results in a live round having a firing pin resting on or 1/1000 of an inch from it. Drop that gun with impact to the hammer...BANG! Not picking on your Kimber, but it's fitting that it's not your "life and death" first choice. For the most part, they are great paper punchers. But if you look at the "quality of craftsmanship" they are significantly lacking...especially compared to a RRA, Les Baer, etc. Also, I don't know of any "SWAT" type organization in the country that issues or uses Kimbers. Not even our military Special Forces. There was a great article in American Handgunner a few months ago on the "Vickers 1911"...a Springfield Armory re-worked pistol that is used by SpecOps people (who can afford it). OK...off my soapbox. Glad you are not one of the thousands of deceived people out there that believe everything they read in our extremely biased gun magazine industry.
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 1:46:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 3:02:48 PM EDT
I've been very happy with both of my Beretta 92 pistols. Very accurate and totally reliable. I recently had some work done to my Compact Type M by Ernest Langdon and the trigger on that is very nice. It is much easier to shoot accurately now, and it didn't give up any reliability. I'm planning to have the same trigger job done to my full size 92 in the near future. I recently bought a Kimber 1911. I've only got 500rds through it, but I don't yet see what the problem is with them. In fact, I've been spending a lot of time lately digging up info on Kimber 1911s and except for some comments on this board I haven't heard any complaints. I've got some work I want to have done on it, but it is all personal preference stuff, not because of any problems.
Originally Posted By TOBIN: In fact, revolver carry is more dangerous because most law enforcement officers keep the cylinder fully loaded. This results in a live round having a firing pin resting on or 1/1000 of an inch from it. Drop that gun with impact to the hammer...BANG!
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You obviously haven't looked at the internals of any revolvers that have been made in the past several decades. On the Ruger SP101 the hammer doesn't touch the firing pin even when it is fired. There's a middle piece that the hammer pushes into the firing pin, and that middle piece is only pushed up into place when the trigger is pulled. Most other modern pistols have some similar mechanism.
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 3:30:42 PM EDT
I could not find the post, but Torbin, man revolvers have been real 6 shooters since 1892. All My N-frames and all the other DA revolvers I own can be thrown across the street with all chambers loaded and nothing will fire. I will admit that my wives Rossie, is a 5 shooter, but it only has 5 chambers.
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 4:06:53 PM EDT
I will take my glock 17, looks pretty much like this without the stock. [img]http://www.hessearms.com/Glock.JPG[/img]
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 6:00:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TOBIN: 1feral1: You know, I almost forgot about the high power, a classic weapon all around. But as for the 9mm, it's just not my caliber of choice in a duty weapon.
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they make a HP in .40smith. Great little gun. As for me, only a glock or a kimber. Pretty much nothing else. and pretty much .45 and not much else either. ron
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 6:28:01 PM EDT
(1)Glock 20 10mmAuto with MMC tritiums, an ITI M6 light/laser or LAM. Alternative caliber would be 9X25 Dillon with 127grn Winchester SXT bullets loaded to 1650+ fps.[:D] (2)H&K Mk23mod0 decked with tritiums and loaded with .45 Super ammo and a ITI LAM. P3[pyro][^]
Link Posted: 7/23/2001 10:34:14 AM EDT
I wasn't going to say anything until I saw the recommendations for the Beretta. Absolutely, positively, DO NOT get a Burrito. They are accurate, but so are the USP, Sig, and Glock. Aside from having an exposed barrel that crap can get stuck in, they do not possess the reliability one would require while on duty. If I had a buck for everytime I saw one of those damn 96D Brigaqueers break and become nothing better than an oversized Italian Tomahawk..... or double feed because of the crappy magazines that bend like butter in Death Valley in August..... Do yourself a favor and pick something else. MG
Link Posted: 7/23/2001 5:00:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2001 5:20:12 PM EDT
Glock 21/30 combo w/night sights (since the 21 mags will fit the 30....) Of course the 20/29 combo would be cool, esp with FULL power 10mm rounds. Seems that the older that round gets the more "moderate" loads there are for it.
Link Posted: 7/23/2001 5:43:55 PM EDT
Hey guys, there is a misunderstanding somewhere. No where on this thread did I say anything regarding revolver safety. Earlier, tailgate had mentioned something to that effect. So someone needs to read what has been posted previously by me. I hadn't even touched the subject. I have nothing against revolvers, in fact, my employer requires me to carry one every day.
Link Posted: 7/23/2001 7:03:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2001 7:28:55 PM EDT
Troy: What do you consider to be a full power load in 10mm? I'm not that impressed with the 40 myself.
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 6:13:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy: No point in carrying a 10mm unless you're carrying full power loads. Otherwise, you might as well carry .40 Short&Weak. -Troy
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I agree, mostly. If you carry a 10mm and buy ammo that is the same power as .40 s+w, it isn't as exciting in a 10mm, very little chance of a KB. Full power, I would say, 650 ft lbs or more.
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 6:24:59 AM EDT
This is all you need! [img]www.superiormartialarts.com/images/50252b_small.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 7:45:23 AM EDT
Nunchucka are all I need to: ...get arrested. ...get shot from 10 feet away by somebody who was smart enough to carry a real weapon. ...become a mall ninja.
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 11:45:51 AM EDT
Another vote for the GLOCK G35.
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