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Posted: 7/19/2001 11:22:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2001 11:23:41 PM EDT by Confederate]
Someone locked the three hottest threads and did not even leave his name, how rude!![:O]
Link Posted: 7/19/2001 11:38:13 PM EDT
not to prolong the racist thread, but taht guy was an asshole, and im glad its locked
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 12:48:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Confederate: Someone locked the three hottest threads and did not even leave his name, how rude!![:O]
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You should know by now that all the fun stops when the sun comes up over in the Netherlands. That's when pappa Kuiper wakes up.[;)]
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 4:12:30 AM EDT
Goodmorning ladies... How are we this fine A.M.??? [:D]
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 5:10:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2001 5:06:58 AM EDT by HKocher]
Hey, someone's got to babysit us naughty Americans.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 5:16:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 5:42:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 5:55:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: For such over-this-communities-standards entertainment seek www.mcuzi.com or www.assaultweb.net where you can enjoy all the racist remarks you care.
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Naw, I only head over to ASSweb.net when I want to find out how to make my own urine into potable drinking water.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 6:23:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 6:58:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2001 11:34:44 AM EDT by antiUSSA]
While I have no problem with speaking your mind in a civil manner, if it's done so to spark hate or racism, then you're gone.
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Like the following post made on KellyR's thread about bumble bees..?
Of all the bees in the US, what percentage do the African bees account for and How many stings do they account for? Say....oh....12% of the total bees, but 76% of all bee stings?
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This was clearly a very racist post made soley for the purpose of tossing his biggotted remarks in an otherwise very interesting and inciteful thread! Furthermore, I have a very close "BLACK" friend that does lurk here occassionally, but refuses to register and post for fear of being chastized by the obvious racists on board. I'm willing to bet that my buddy knows far more about firearms ([i]especially AR's[/i]), reloading and hunting than 85% of the members here. Hell, Grin&Barrett actually bought his first AR from him! Is my friend the type of person we want certain members here to chase away from the boards..? I certainly hope not! Below is a pic of him spring Turkey hunting with his new ArmaLite... [img]http://www.castle-arms.com/pix/gg.jpg[/img] [b][*] Take this post for what it's worth, but I'm just making damn sure that you all think about others in the future. Some of this crap that's been posted lately is revolting to say the least![/b]
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 7:43:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By antiUSSA: Furthermore, I have a very close "BLACK" friend that does lurk here occassionally, but refuses to register and post for fear of being chastized by the obvious racists on board.
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u know why the hell should it matter anyway. whats even more annyoing is people go i got BLACK friend i got ASIAN friend i got a pink and purple friend. why the f*ck should i care i dont go yeah i got a white friend. why do people alwasy seem to make race issues out of things anyway?!
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 7:49:30 AM EDT
The racist comments that have been flying around here lately are starting to become offensive to me and i'm not even black, but one of my best friends is. If you want to display your racist views then please take them somewhere else. There is no place for you here.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 7:50:43 AM EDT
Hmmm... Nah.. Never mind. I think you all know I could single handedly engage every one of you... but to what ends? My proving myself right (again) and you all just getting all upset that you can't counter the FACTS, and locking the thread? Nah... I won't waste my time.. [Edited By AntiUSSA on 7/20/2001 11:59:58 AM ]
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 7:51:52 AM EDT
Expect us(staff) to move agressively on this, forum conduct is here for a reason. Mainly to provide members here with clearity on what is and what isnt tolerated. Kuiper
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:15:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:24:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By McUZI: Nah... I won't waste my time.. [Edited By AntiUSSA on 7/20/2001 11:59:58 AM ]
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By making it look like I was the one that edited your post, you not only did waste your time, but you provided yet another shining example of your childish behavior used in a feeble attempt to stir the pot!
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:41:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:43:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrax777: u know why the hell should it matter anyway. whats even more annyoing is people go i got BLACK friend i got ASIAN friend i got a pink and purple friend. why the f*ck should i care i dont go yeah i got a white friend. why do people alwasy seem to make race issues out of things anyway?!
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I was simply pointing out that a very close friend WILL NOT post here because of this crap... The fact that he happens to be black does have everything to do when it comes to someone elses' racial slurs! Why would he want to be a participant here and have to be bombarded by comments from a select few mewmbers such as "Because he's black, he's an inferior human that's not fully evolved." I emphasized his traits and qualities, so the more intelligent folks around here can see that we are missing a person that could share volumns of valuable knowledge with others here. Anyone that can't see where my post was headed ([i]by capitalizing the work black, and placing it in quotes[/i]), probably could never understand it anyway. I'm done ranting, since I'm probably just pissing in the wind anyways. [*] BTW, my buddy would consider himself more of a local huntin' & fishin' "West Virginia Redneck" than a black guy that grew up on the streets of Brooklyn... So much for "stereotypes"!
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:50:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By crowboy: To Staff And Moderators, I agree concerning the racist posts, I do have a rhetorical question though. Why don't you guys show the same outrage over the consistent Cop bashing posts that appear here? It also seems to me and please correct me if I'am wrong that these racist posts and anti cop posts are usually written by the same people. Why are these people still on board?
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Well, when I had the keys to the "General Forums", I treated "racial, cop bashing, gay bashing and Christianity bashing" posts in the exact same manner... [u]DELETED with no warning![/u]
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:50:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2001 10:13:38 AM EDT by Striker]
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:53:37 AM EDT
My .02.... like anyone cares... ::shrug:: I think if everyone here knew each other in person and were familiar with each other FULL personas (not just the tiny bit you see in a few posts) that a lot of this crap would be settled with a simple "agree to disagree." That being said.. there is an opportunity here... complete honesty about a subject that is normally too touchy to be discussed IRL. I don't agree with McUzi, or anyone else for that matter, who makes broad generalizations about a particular group of people... be it based on color, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc. [i]But I will also admit that I do it myself at times...[/i] It's true hypocrisy. The only rationalization I have for my behavior is that I try to limit my stereotyping to less volatile groups... to the more socially acceptable groups to rib. What I'm saying is this.. either you scorn someone for unacceptable behavior or you don't. But the degree of distain shouldn't be directly proportional to what group someone is coming down on. I've tried pointing this out before and the thread unraveled into something else. Again, I include myself as being guilty of this hypocrisy. I like your idea, Goatboy, about an area to fully explore this.. be it locked to just you and McUzi or not. Y'all probably won't see eye to eye on the matter ever but I think the only way to get past this is to go [i]through[/i]this...
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:56:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:01:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:02:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2001 9:01:42 AM EDT by Miss Magnum]
Originally Posted By antiUSSA: Why would he want to be a participant here and have to be bombarded by comments from a select few mewmbers such as "Because he's black, he's an inferior human that's not fully evolved."
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So why would [b]she[/b] want to be a participant here and have to be bombarded by comments from a select few members such as "Because [b]she's[/i] female, [b]she's[/b] an inferior human that's not fully evolved"? I edited your post, Tim, so you could see the hypocrisy that exists. How do you think the female members of this board feel when we are subject to posts about "why women shouldn't be allowed to vote" and "proof that women are evil", etc... which, BTW, [i]were actual posts that were never locked on this site.[/i] **Edited to add that I don't offend easily because I know that not everyone out there is going to think like myself. I [i]like[/i] that...it [i]challenges[/i] me to support or change my views... I WILL NOT deny myself simply because a few people say I should.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:10:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By crowboy: We do not need to get through anything, We only need to observe common rules of decency and ban people who consistently violate those rules.
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Well then why is HANGFIRE still here? He is consistently offensive in his degrading of women. **Again, I don't care if he is here or not. I'm trying to point out that there are inconsistencies....
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:16:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:16:59 AM EDT
While I agree it's always been impossible to read through each and every thread ([i]let alone each post[/i]), there are more "board cops" here now than ever before... General has 5 active Mods, and there are numerous active Admins. When I was involved, there were very few of us to police things... and only 1 active Admin! I had specific topics that I watched out for, and 90% of the time, the offending posts were from the same handful of trolls... The other threads that were generally "axed", took place when I received emails from others asking for this to be done, and clarifing why. I too have been caught up in negative posts from time to time, as has nearly everyone here, but some just can't seem to quit spewing their ilk... EVER! [*] FWIW: I'm actually thankful that I no longer have to feel like a kindergarten teacher, tending a bunch of ignorant, unruly children.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:18:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:25:52 AM EDT
Oh yeah... While we're beating a heard of dead horses today, I'd like to add that the obscinities seem to be at an all-time high lately! Why do a select few members feel that no sentence is complete without using the "F" word in at least 3 diferent variations..? Below is a paragraph from the "Usage Policy":
By registering for the forums you, the user, admit to being over the age of 13. You are fully responsible for any information or file supplied by this user. You also agree that you will not post any copyrighted material that is not owned by yourself or the owners of these forums. [u][red]In your use of these forums, you agree that you will not post any information which is [b]vulgar, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, sexually oriented, or violates any laws.[/b][/u][/red]
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Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:29:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr: Generalized derrogatory statements about race,[b]gender[/b],ethnic groups,etc are often looked at by mods with greater attention and arguably less flexibility.....to avoid division.
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Ed Sr, I have a lot of respect for you but I'm throwing down the bullshit flag on this one. There have been a litany of threads that have been incredibly abusive towards women and I can't recall any of them being locked. The most I have seen a moderator do is profess his love and respect for women and then stand back and let the flaming continue. Why is that? ** AGAIN... I am NOT asking for more moderating... just trying to bring to light the hypocrisy. If you are really trying to be bias-free and anti-discriminatory, why are some "groups" more vigorously defended than others?? Heck... y'all were even [i]tolerant[/i] of using the phrase "raft monkey"...
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:30:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:31:11 AM EDT
I'm not trying to stir the pot, and I too have read posts whose views conflict with my own. I guess that I try not to get involved, nor let them upset me since, in my opinion, they really do not do that much harm. Only being on this site for the few weeks, I have noticed that the majority of individuals here are very open, and very intelligent. These are the people who I like to interact with and learn some very facinating information from (such as the thread on the bees, who would have thought that you could learn about that here?) The posts and threads that deal with racial, sex, or leo-bashing I tend to ignore. I am concerned about the idea of banning people. Especially after reading the posts and participating (or attempting to) on the democratictalkradio board. It seems that the majority of us relish our freedoms, especially a certain one. But by banning individuals, does that not cause us to take away one of their freedoms? I understand that this site is a good service and contains very valuable information, and additionally the adminstrators of the board can, and should, control it in the way that they see fit. I guess that I wish that the regular users would just ignore these individuals, or the posts that they find offensive. By not paying attention, I would think that the posts would go down, or the individuals would go to a board that would pay attention to their views. Again, this is my opinion, please feel free to flame and poke holes in it as much as possible.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:31:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Miss Magnum:
Originally Posted By crowboy: We do not need to get through anything, We only need to observe common rules of decency and ban people who consistently violate those rules.
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Well then why is HANGFIRE still here? He is consistently offensive in his degrading of women. **Again, I don't care if he is here or not. I'm trying to point out that there are inconsistencies....
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That is a BALD-FACED LIE! I take exception to some comments made by women or men pretending to be women but I certainly don't condemn or degrade all women.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:34:23 AM EDT
I like to use a little paddle on their bare-bottoms if they get snippy... Hey, Miss Magnum, are you feeling snippy?
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:37:30 AM EDT
...I'am talking about the hatemongers that start posts only to spew their garbage over the board.
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I am too assume that would include somebody "attempting" to turn a thread about Honey Bees into a racial statistic pertaining to crime rates..?
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:39:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:41:06 AM EDT
WMmitty, I think there is a big difference between banning "trouble makers" and doing what Democratic Talk Radio does. On AR15.com disagreement and debate are welcome. DTR does not allow anyone with opposing views to participate at all. I would see nothing wrong with having race discussions, but race bashing is not cool. Things get too heated, and it makes civil discussions/debates impossible. Just my .02
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:49:44 AM EDT
Wahoooooo......Who wants to come to my house for a BBQ? RLTW
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:50:07 AM EDT
YIKES!!! I'm just going to tread lightly today. don't mind me...
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:51:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:51:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hielo: I like to use a little paddle on their bare-bottoms if they get snippy... Hey, Miss Magnum, are you feeling snippy?
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Wow, Hielo... I really feel so [i]patronized[/i] right now... Does this "hey there, little lady" crap actually get you anywhere? Or would that be why you've been all over the board lately?? Aside from this cyber "pat on the head" from hielo and HANGFIRE having the audacity to claim he's a friend to all women, noone has responded to my posts. This is a private BB. You have the right to be inconsistent in how it is moderated. I just don't like the forum rules being paraded around and then not having them be followed.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:05:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Miss Magnum:
Originally Posted By hielo: HANGFIRE having the audacity to claim he's a friend to all women, noone has responded to my posts.
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MM, Stop the LIEING! I have not claimed to be the friend of all women! Maybe they find your mouthings on this subject inconsistant with your membership on mcuzi.com, a well known porno; which degrades women; racist; which degrades women, children, and men; web site not to mention your cyber romance with the supposed creator of that porno/racist web site.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:07:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:09:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2001 10:07:24 AM EDT by HKocher]
Originally Posted By Miss Magnum: Aside from this cyber "pat on the head" from hielo and HANGFIRE having the audacity to claim he's a friend to all women, noone has responded to my posts.
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Despite my deep fear of getting banned in the massive moderating campaign of July 2001, I will have to stand up and agree with Miss Magnum. On a perfectly innocent thread, my GF was first compared to a dog, and then called various other names by an offending party. And last time I checked, my GF is not a man pretending to be a woman, at least I hope not... The party also attacked MM on this thread, until it was locked. Funny thing, guess who jumped in to stand up for the ladies..., McUZI, how's that for irony.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:10:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:19:49 AM EDT
I'm not a McUZI groupie, but I do find the guy amusing and somewhat informative. however, I have to stand up in his defense. What the heck has he done lately??? In fact the guy has been very civil in recent threads. Read some of his posts, he has been a veritable fountain of knowledge. The only time he has stepped out on his race soapbox is when he was specifically called out, mainly in threads with his name in the title. What do you expect him to do? People just love to bring up his name to start s**t, even when he's behaving like a some-what normal member of society. Maybe if the folks here wouldn't have such an obsession with his beliefs, then they wouldn't even be a topic for discussion.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:20:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:23:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: Maybe they find your mouthings on this subject inconsistant with your membership on mcuzi.com
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Actually my being a member there is VERY consistent with my beliefs... that people have the right to express themselves and I have the right to react to it however I choose. In most cases, I chose not to be offended or simply don't open the thread/forum. And my comments there are mostly limited to the BS forum... You know what else is funny? There are FOUR or FIVE very active women shooter posters over there.. and they haven't nearly the membership this site has. And, in case you missed it, I even clearly stated that just because you and I don't agree at times, I would never ask for you to be banned. As for McUzi and myself? Yes... I do know him very well. And while we don't agree on certain issues, he is a lot more than just what you see here.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:24:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:26:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr: Perhaps I am not sensitive enough to female bashing to recognize the more subtle ones,or maybe I did not follow the threads closely enough to notice what was happening. In either case I apologize and will try to be more attentive to these issues in the future.
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Again... I am not asking for MORE moderating... although thank you for the offer. [:)] What I am saying is that there are [i]inconsistencies[/i] in what is considered "offensive" stereotyping and what is not.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:26:12 AM EDT
After reading this thread, maybe i can get the construction worker whom drilled a post hole through my phonelines yesterday to do so again today.mmk
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