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6/21/2017 8:25:40 PM
Posted: 7/16/2001 9:00:28 AM EDT
[url]http://www.charlotte.com/topnews/pub/liars.htm[/url] Posers should get 5 years at hard labor!
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Link Posted: 7/16/2001 4:07:24 PM EDT
Notice how this "scumbag" author left out the names of those vets and colonels he claimed were fake, especially the ones from the south! Ask your self this why would he leave out these names? Is it because he made those parts up? Notice he did not metion the scum in congress who claimed to be a medal of honor winner, but mentioned a few real vets there! Ask yourselves why? There are vets who wear the nam ribbon just for landing there in some re-supply mission then made their exit, never to return! Vet's who were in LAOS or CAMBO in most cases had nothing in their records to indicate they were even in a combat zone. Then there was the fire at military records center in St. Lewis, so things are really screwed up! My feeling is this author hates southern history, maybe even trying to get some grant, to make up a new version of history! His story is a take off of an article Colonel Hackworth wrote a few weeks ago!
Link Posted: 7/16/2001 5:57:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/16/2001 6:21:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By andreusan: Then there was the fire at military records center in St. Lewis, so things are really screwed up!
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When was this? I just sent off for some documentation from my records. I hope this doesn't mean that they don't have them.
Link Posted: 7/16/2001 6:34:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/16/2001 6:32:25 PM EDT by crowboy]
Link Posted: 7/16/2001 6:38:48 PM EDT
Posers are FUN!!! smaple correspondence from my own poser busting adventure: From genuine 82nd vet after talking with fake 82nd vet:> > As you inform me, more and more holes appear in this saga. All he told >me at the Gap was he was in 314PIR and made a jump with some pathfinders in >the Gulf War. 314PIR never existed to my knowledge, and if it did, its >lineage would be from a former glider Rgt/Bn as denoted by the 300 series of >its designation. If it was reactivated and on jump status, its designation >would be AIR for Airborne Infantry Rgt. The units that were parachute >delivered then and to this day, the 500 series designated Rgt/bns, are the >only ones designated as PIR's or Parachute Infantry Rgts. That was hole # 1. > I returned to the 82nd Airborne Division after the Gulf War > and went to the 325 AIR and served there for many >years after , 4 to be exact. Many of my soldiers were in the Gulf (about >90%) and always griped about not jumping into combat there. This was a >bonafide group of individuals that ate, slept and breathed about military >parachuting. None ever mentioned any combat jumps by anyone while in the >Gulf. The Airborne community is not that huge and is a closely knit small >world of itself. If anyone hears anything about anyone doing something like >that, its story spreads to all of us quite quick. In short, no one made any >parachute jumps in the Gulf war except for some pilots from stricken >aircraft. Maybe this guy flew a Stealth fighter? Well, that was hole # 2. > After that routine, I just ignored him and had my beer with Mike D. He >may have sensed that I did not believe him because he left the AO. This may >be a coincidence but I am strongly speculating the former. I felt like >telling him that he was lying at the time, ( and in hindsight I wish I had as >we would not be going through this nonsense now) but all I said was never >heard of that unit or any combat jumps in the Gulf. He gave me the "Yeah, >Yeah there was" routine. "Small unit...not much written about it." Call me >Crazy, but a Rgt or a Bn is NOT a small unit. And the 314 PIR (if it ever >exists) would have to be at least a Bn in size to get that designation. > Now I understand that he claims to have made E-7 in like 6 years! I made >E-6 in 4 and only cause I had a college degree which gave me a lot of points. > I wasn't even hoping to make the E-7 list, not promotion until at least 4 >more years. That is just the way the military works. OML's, slots, time to >be able to leave the unit ect. His DD-214 that he claims must be an >incredible forgery! If I saw it, I would not believe it unless I saw all the >documents that generate it. Orders, certificates of completion, course >evaluation reports from the NCODP courses, and all that other crap we save in >a firesafe or hang on our "me walls" in our dens! > In closing, This guy is too much. I will reiterate, as according to him, >I am one of the witch hunting buddies. How he got that about my involvement >is beyond me. Maybe I'll sue Him for slander. Ha Ha. > Rehash: I know what he said to me at the Gap. I know what I told you >about him. I saw the Letters from St. Louis. These are all the facts as I >know them firsthand. As at the Gap, I still think he's lying. > >That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
Link Posted: 7/16/2001 6:41:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By crowboy: The fire was in 1973, all the records lost were WWII, they lost over 60% of Army and Air Corp. I just went through a 18 month process just to get a certificate that my Dad served . The certificate was all I could get. It stated dates of service and kind of discharge and nothing more. By the way the first signs of vet fraud are the " they lost my records" or my duty was so covert that its not in the record ect kind of BS.
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First, that is a relief that is was way back then. That was the same year I got out, so they probably wouldn't have had them yet. I hope they didn't lose mine, I don't want to be accused of being a fraud.[:D]I would imagine that there actually are some covert operatives whose records would be secret or sealed, something along those lines. I have heard that some MIA's from 'Nam weren't really MIA's but were actually sprited off to work for the CIA. Don't know how much truth there is to that, but it is maybe a little believable.
Link Posted: 7/16/2001 7:59:41 PM EDT
What am I? In my mind I'm not a Viet Nam veteran. I am a Viet Nam war veteran. I served over seas as support troops. I did at one time intercept some Chinese intelligence headed for North Viet Nam which I was told and I hope helped our guys over there. But as I said I don't feel I'm in the same class as the men that actually fought in Viet Nam, and I wouldn't belittle them by trying to come off like I did. I was just one little cog in the great war machine. Some guys I guess need to feel bigger than they really are, I don't.
Link Posted: 7/16/2001 8:09:28 PM EDT
rule of thumb 99.9 % of people taht say tee were x spec ops are FOS. if they were really spec ops they couldt tell ya what they did.
Link Posted: 7/16/2001 8:17:34 PM EDT
Bootedaddy your so right about the fact that thousands of us were there as support. Yea we could have bought it with an errant rocket or mortar, but for the most part what we did hopefully aided and helped pull some of those on the grounds butts out of fires. You said that you did some intercept, did you channel it through the 509, 313, or one of the groups in pleiku or americal RR groups. Our job was to locate, triangulate, and then call in puff, artillery or B-52's. Each person had a job, those that exaggerate have a real poor view of themselves.
Link Posted: 7/16/2001 8:39:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/16/2001 8:53:16 PM EDT
I love it when some guy says "can you spare a buck for a Viet Nam Vet and he's younger than me! I tell him he was shittin' his pants while Viet Nam was going on and get a job or a better line.
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 2:00:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrax777: rule of thumb 99.9 % of people taht say tee were x spec ops are FOS. if they were really spec ops they couldt tell ya what they did.
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Amen!!!!!
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