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Posted: 7/6/2001 7:09:33 PM EDT
Between a AR-10, M1A1, FAL or an HK91 which one would you get and why. I am planning on purchasing one of these rifles and would like to hear what you all have to say about such things as reliability, availability of parts & accessories, weight etc... Thanks in advance. Brian
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 7:17:14 PM EDT
Go to the AR-10 forum. Read the discussion entitled "How reliable is the AR-10 anyway?" and read my comments. Can't comment on the HK91 as I've never owned one.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 7:48:01 PM EDT
Of those rifles, I would get the FAL. It is very reliable, combat-accurate, the mags are dirt cheap and parts and accessories are readily available. The HK91 is very reliable, and a bit more potentially accurate than the FAL but it is overpriced and accessories are very overpriced. It's also much heavier and poorly balanced. The M1A (not M1A1) is very accurate but mags are expensive ($32-50)and accessories are not that cheap. It's also more complicated to disassemble than the FAL. The AR10 is the most accurate of the guns listed, and IMHO most ergonomic and balanced. Accessories are readily available though spare parts are not. Mags are very expensive, ($20+whatever you pay for M14 mags if you send them to Armalite) and reliability is more finicky with milsurp ammo.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 7:53:46 PM EDT
I agree with Rikwriter.i have all but the H&K.FAL first because of mags.otherwise it would be between it and the M1A
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 7:54:58 PM EDT
Look here for the answer:[url]http://www.dsarms.com/[/url] Definetly look at the whole site.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:05:59 PM EDT
How much do you want to spend? Pre or post ban M1, FAL or HK91 are you planning to get? I have a list of things you consider. Weight (Heaviest to Lightest) HK 91 FAL M1A AR-10 Parts and Accessories (Most to Least. This includes both factory and surplus) FAL M1A HK 91 AR-10 (It is still new on the market in terms of relative access to parts and accessories). Reliability is hard to say at this moment. I have not experince on the AR-10. It is tough to say between the other three rifles. I have seen where they work and failed. In my opinion, I would say the HK 91 is the most realiable. Second would be the FAL and last is the M1A. I am sure this would attract a lot of disagreement.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:29:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:38:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: Depends on what you want to do with the rifle. Shoot to kill, bet your life on it - FAL Shoot to thrill, bet your championship target shot on it - M1A or possibly the AR-10 Never shoot it, put your retirement investment in it - HK91 I have an FAL and M1A, never saw an HK91 for sale anywhere. Handled an AR-10 and when I was picking my FAL up the dealer had one sitting on the shelf - nice rifle but I was tapped out at the moment.
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My appreciation for my FAL notwithstanding, I would shoot to kill and bet my life on my HK91. In addition Preban FN FALs are about as expensive as preban HK91s.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 9:47:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: My appreciation for my FAL notwithstanding, I would shoot to kill and bet my life on my HK91. In addition Preban FN FALs are about as expensive as preban HK91s.
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While I agree with you on the HK91 (I have had one for about 7 years) the postban FALs are MUCH better made than the current crop of crappy postban G3 clones.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 9:54:42 PM EDT
if you got cash to burn, HK91. thats if you wanna go super-cool, but just to shoot a good gun, proly fal.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 10:59:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter: While I agree with you on the HK91 (I have had one for about 7 years) the postban FALs are MUCH better made than the current crop of crappy postban G3 clones.
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So true, but that is why you get the REAL thing. All the clones ARE crap, unless you get someone good to build you an FMP receiver gun. I have honestly not yet gotten into the FALs, but a nice postban (prebans are more expensive than HKs as I have seen!) is very high on my wish list. So by default I choose the HK91, but as others have mentioned, it is pricey, and parts are expensive, and it is heavy, but what do you expect it's a MBR. I wouldn't say that a HK91 is a safe queen by any means. I shoot the hell out of mine, and as far as reliability have never had a single problem that couldn't be attributed to my own stupidity. Accuracy is above par, and can be tweaked to the extreme if you are willing to throw down the dough (i.e. PSG1 conversion, etc.). But I don't think you will go wrong by any of the 4 choices, it should come down to what you are comfortable with or what fits in your budget. On the HKs, if you can't afford the real thing, or a FMP, go with the other 3 options.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 11:03:51 PM EDT
FAL: parts mags and other accesorys are more widely aviable and cheap i mean come on 10 doller 20 rounders that work VS 80 buck plus 20 rounders. plsu my friend has one and i like it
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 11:06:15 PM EDT
Hell, why choose ? Just buy one of each!!(oh,to have that kind of money!!)[:D]
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 11:13:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 12:45:06 AM EDT
I'm a BIG fan of the AR-10 but ditto as to what HKocher said.
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 12:57:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 2:23:18 AM EDT
Like the looks and Like the feel go for the M1A. six
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 4:12:33 AM EDT
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My opinions [):)] [size=5][b]M14[/b][/size=5] M1A / M14 rifle. Super reliable. Accurate. Excellent sights. Powerfull. Simple, less parts than FAL Best ergonomics (for me) Hk91-clunky,stamped sheet metal,short buttstock, crude sights. tears up brass. Reliable. FAL-nice but, I like M14 better. AR10- unproven commercial copy. I 've heard too many complaints of poor reliability/parts breakage. great ergonomics. M14, feels right in my hands. [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/027/MS/uZ/wE/v780970.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 5:34:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Phoenix5: Hell, why choose ? Just buy one of each!!(oh,to have that kind of money!!)[:D]
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You mean like this? :D [img]http://members.aol.com/writerrik/myhomepage/3mbrs.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 5:41:49 AM EDT
My vote goes to the FAL, for many of the reasons listed above. Cheap mags and parts. Reliable. Reasonably accurate. But then again, I've never shot an AR-10. But again, mags are expensive.
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 6:11:05 AM EDT
German HK91. Best quality of them all, will handle abuse well. Tyler
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 9:36:33 AM EDT
M1A because those other nasty guns are EEEEE-VIL assault rifles. With a recoil compensator installed even the omniscient State of Kalifornia agrees that the M1A is a benign entity, suitable for use by slaves..er..residents of PRK. And the reaction that VietNam era marines have when you break it out on the range is priceless. BUTT STROKE! "DIE, Gook, DIE!" No Kidding, it was flashback city!
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 9:56:47 AM EDT
IMHO: M14/M1A. Proven. Better caliber then 5.56 NATO. Better feel/looks.
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 10:07:47 AM EDT
Though the clone HKs may be junk, the clone FALs are as good if not better than the orginals. So price would play a big part, a $800.00 DSA STG vs. a $2000.00+ HK91
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 10:32:36 AM EDT
Just a little O.T. but, How do the Garand and the M1A compare and which would you rather have ?? I know, I know, get both.... I have 2 garands but have never shot a M1A. The only difference I would see as a advantage is the detachable mags and I would think that sometimes the box mag could be a hinderance(prone or resting the rifle on something to shoot) sooooo, does the M1A only offer more rounds or is there something more ?? thanks [x]
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 10:52:10 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/7/2001 11:56:23 AM EDT
I've never fired a Garand, but I want one desperately. One in .308 would be nice as i would not be adding yet another caliber the mix. Do the clips still work well while holding a .308 as opposed to a .30-06? I have an M1A that I love to shoot, but I Garand would be nice compliment to it, especially in .308.
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 12:04:14 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/7/2001 1:49:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Originally Posted By Phoenix5: Hell, why choose ? Just buy one of each!!(oh,to have that kind of money!!)[:D]
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You mean like this? :D
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[i](Picture quoting removed to save on bandwidth)[/i] I don't see a preban AR-10 in that photo. Poo, poo. [:D] Mike EDITED because I can't spell.
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 7:04:36 PM EDT
From my experience... 1. FAL-especially if you are talking about a DSA. No question, the hands-down winner. Tie-2. HK91 clone-reliable. Tie-2. M1A-reliable and accurate. A little less controllable in rapid fire than HK clones or FAL. 3. AR10-only experience with these is holding a few and talking with people who own them. Triggers stink and they are finicky with ammo. Very accurate and controllable in rapid fire.
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 7:41:19 PM EDT
Wow, I leave for a few hours and get bombarded with replies. That is what I love about this place! I have shot each of these with the exception of the AR-10. The HK and the FAL are my favorites but I had to ask about the M1A (thanks Rik) and the AR-10 because I have heard so many good things about them. I checked out the DSA website , thanks 007, and really liked what I saw. (Although some of the links didn't work for me) I also read some of the previous posts about their products. They seem like a good outfit. I will probably end up spending too much money and getting 1 of each, I wish. Thanks again. Brian
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 7:52:26 PM EDT
Easy the AR10 why because thats the only one I did'nt own yet.
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 8:16:56 PM EDT
Buy American! Screw those EuroBastard$. They have enough of our money. I had the NM 2 stage trigger installed today in my AR10A4. Sweet!! So Sweet!! If you really want advice, talk to people that shoot for a living like Tippie. He just got a AR10T. M1A will shoot rings around the 91. Just compare the sights. Its a no brainer!
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 9:48:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: Buy American! Screw those EuroBastard$. They have enough of our money.
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The DSA FAL is built in the US with US parts. He can buy any of the guns he listed and still buy American (except the G3 clone).
Link Posted: 7/7/2001 11:26:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: Buy American! Screw those EuroBastard$. They have enough of our money.
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The DSA FAL is built in the US with US parts. He can buy any of the guns he listed and still buy American (except the G3 clone).
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M-1 Garand, or my latest pursuit: 1903-A3 Springfields. I got my second in two weeks. They have a smooth action and are accurate.
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