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Posted: 6/21/2001 5:46:17 PM EDT
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What rag is that in?
Looks hummmm....not sure yet. |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:00:18 PM EDT
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Oh yes, the Nikonova. Saw it in 94 in The Amer. Rif.it has a reciprocating barrel and when you shoot it the first 2 bullets shoot a such a rate that when the 2nd bullet fires the first is still in the barrel then the rate slows down, in fact you cant tell it even is shooting twice.
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:05:05 PM EDT
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Aesthetically, looks great. Folding stock, good ergonomics, fires an extremely accurate round. Too bad they haven't switched out the sights at all from the AK - I guess some things never changed.
[brown]Evil Jewbroni~[/brown] |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:08:50 PM EDT
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I need to get me one of those!
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:11:55 PM EDT
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Pistol grip looks really funny...
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:16:00 PM EDT
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They showed one being fired on the History Channel during the 'Tales of the Gun' episode about AK's. Pretty neat. Pretty much what Gun Guru said. My understanding is that they are VVVEEERRRRYYYYY expensive.
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:18:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gun Guru: Oh yes, the Nikonova. Saw it in 94 in The Amer. Rif.it has a reciprocating barrel and when you shoot it the first 2 bullets shoot a such a rate that when the 2nd bullet fires the first is still in the barrel then the rate slows down, in fact you cant tell it even is shooting twice. GG They had it on "Tales of the Gun" It fires so fast 2 rounds is the minimum you can get off. Russian economy is so bad they can't afford to issue it to thier troops and with the world market value of the millions of surplus AK's at $25 apiece they can't find anyone willing to spring for production. sgb |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:23:06 PM EDT
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it sure is a neat looking piece to bad theres no chance of getting a semi only version anytime soon or even a post 86 DS
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:24:34 PM EDT
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If it wouldn't be for the '94 assault weapons ban they'd probably be able to sell truck loads of them here in the States.
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:28:03 PM EDT
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Looks like the gas tube runs underneath the barrel?? Really appears to be a good design.
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:31:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: If it wouldn't be for the '94 assault weapons ban they'd probably be able to sell truck loads of them here in the States. Probably not, since it fires more than 1 shot per trigger pull. NFA and all that. |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:32:23 PM EDT
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I don't understand why people knock AK sights! Yes, they are usually crooked. But, they are fast and accurate on moving targets! All of our pistols have these sights. The "protective" ears on AR's and other rifles create blind spots for me when I'm hunting jackrabbits. I find it much more difficult to hit a 40 mph jack with protected aperture(sp) sights. Seems to me that if it's better on fast, small targets should be better on slower, larger targets. 'Only place I shoot better with protected ap. is a paper targer that isn't moving. Am I just weird or stupid? (you don't need to tell me again, I already know I'm an A-hole!)
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Posted: 6/21/2001 6:39:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Looks like the gas tube runs underneath the barrel?? Really appears to be a good design. nah, thats a support for the reciprocating barrel. doubles as a vehicle mount, if i remember correctly. gastube is under hand guards. looks like the compensator might make a good whistle.[:)] magazine is also offset to the right a few degrees. |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 7:00:35 PM EDT
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Actually those aren't the same sights as an AK, it has a "star" sight, like looking at a five pointed star from the side, then turning it to get different apetures (one for each point on the star) & it is already in production and being issued to elite troops. It has been accepted officially as the next gen Russian assault rifle. (and the barrel actually moves in and out as it fires! cool....)
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Posted: 6/21/2001 7:04:57 PM EDT
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OK....
Here is a great link to an on-line write-up about the AN-94 Abakan. The site is operated by Valery Shilin, who happens to be pictured in the photograph in the first post.... [url]http://www.club.guns.ru/eng/abakan.html[/url] Agwood |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 7:06:44 PM EDT
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Just a guess, but if it wasn't for the foreign weapons bans, we would probably see truckloads of a semi auto version here in the States....SIGH
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Posted: 6/21/2001 7:12:09 PM EDT
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I guess we all saw the same Tales of the Gun. Yup, it's an interesting weapon. At first the idea of a two or even a three round burst following one another right out the barrel seems good. If the first round is on target, the next two or three will be right behind. But that assumes you're on target with that first round. If you miss with the first round, doesn't that also mean the next round or two are also certain to miss? Correct? I know we're not talking about belt fed full auto fire and "beaten zones" but there should be at least a little dispersion.
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Posted: 6/21/2001 8:51:16 PM EDT
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agwood, thanks for the site, had cool links too.
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Posted: 6/21/2001 9:01:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't understand why people knock AK sights! Yes, they are usually crooked. But, they are fast and accurate on moving targets! All of our pistols have these sights. The "protective" ears on AR's and other rifles create blind spots for me when I'm hunting jackrabbits. I find it much more difficult to hit a 40 mph jack with protected aperture(sp) sights. Seems to me that if it's better on fast, small targets should be better on slower, larger targets. 'Only place I shoot better with protected ap. is a paper targer that isn't moving. Am I just weird or stupid? (you don't need to tell me again, I already know I'm an A-hole!) I agree with you! i hear a lot of BS about how the AK is inaccurate etc! ect! SO big deal it was designed has a fast combat weapon the idea was to through many bullits the fastest at each other the the side that has the least dead wins. |
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Posted: 6/22/2001 6:11:58 AM EDT
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The bottom tube is actually a rail that the barrel rides on. You see the barrel actually recoils, much like an M2 Ma Duece, helping to control recoil in the weapon. It acts like a buffer. For those of you who have the AK tales of the gun, look closely at the barrel when it is fired. You'll see it.
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Posted: 6/22/2001 8:34:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LARRY G: Quoted: If it wouldn't be for the '94 assault weapons ban they'd probably be able to sell truck loads of them here in the States. Probably not, since it fires more than 1 shot per trigger pull. NFA and all that. Can you say; "Semi-auto version"? I'd buy it. If we could buy new machine guns too, I'd buy it in full-auto. But nooooo...... |
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Posted: 6/22/2001 8:48:40 AM EDT
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Abakan is NOT THAT NEW. i have a video of it on a training sesion, the video is saved in my puter and i don't remeber the link...if one of u guys tell me how i'll be happy to post it...
:)))))) hunter out. |
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Posted: 6/22/2001 9:46:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: I don't understand why people knock AK sights! Yes, they are usually crooked. But, they are fast and accurate on moving targets! All of our pistols have these sights. The "protective" ears on AR's and other rifles create blind spots for me when I'm hunting jackrabbits. I find it much more difficult to hit a 40 mph jack with protected aperture(sp) sights. Seems to me that if it's better on fast, small targets should be better on slower, larger targets. 'Only place I shoot better with protected ap. is a paper targer that isn't moving. Am I just weird or stupid? (you don't need to tell me again, I already know I'm an A-hole!) Your not an A-hole maybe just a LOUSYSHOT |
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Posted: 6/22/2001 10:03:35 AM EDT
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I wonder if that poor bastard who got his head cut of was issued one? If he was it didn't do him much good did it.
The thing looks cool. I would like to have one for myself. Of course I have never seen a Military rifle that I didn't want. |
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Posted: 6/22/2001 11:01:45 AM EDT
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Yes, it uses a 5 pointed star sight kinda like the HK's turn key type sight but it is unique in it's own way just like the AN-94. Just about everything about the rifle is top notch, which is one reason why they can't find any buyers. $$$ ka-ching $$$ Even the operating system is one of kind, the designer was bragging a little that it is so well made that it couldn't be copied or something like that. The M-brake used on "Tales of the Gun" was an AKM styled brake. The one in the magazine article looks very strange. The combination of gas operation, reciprocating barrel and M-brake result in a near perfect "Zero" recoil fully automatic assult rifle.
I wonder, since we aren't really enemies anymore we should fly that guy over here to the states and give him a contract to design our next AW. Everyone on "Tales" agreed that the AN-94 is the current top dog of Assult Rifles. |
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Posted: 6/22/2001 11:16:59 AM EDT
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How much would the cost to produce compared
to a M-4? |
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