It's no secret that the anti-gun liberals think that all gun-owners are a bunch of white, drunk, rednecks who do nothing but shoot all day and work in mines, and autoshops and the like. We know that this is not true. but there are a few people who fit this description. I am not going to say that this lifestyle is right or wrong, moral or immoral. What I am going to say is that, Gun owners in America need to live a generally good moral lifestyle. No one is perfect, epecially not me, and I will judge no one's lifestyle or beliefs. But to make us look better in the eyes of the anti-gunners, wouldn't it be better not to drink, sleep-around, Wave confederate flags(i am not against that), smoke a pack a day etc. I know the anti-gunners will not change their hard heads, but still we need to help out our cause by sacrificing what may seam fun to make us not seam dumb and ignorant, to set to them an exaple of what our constitution and the second admendment really mean? We as gun-owners should get involved with feeding the homeless, building habitat for humanity homes, and various other charitable causes. Let's make ourselves a respectable/prominent sect to all of American Society, even the liberals(who themselves do these immoral thing by killing babies in abortion, etc).
Some Some Food For Thought.
-Chuck
[sniper]
Yes an ocasional beer is ok.

Nice try CHUCK6419.  You will find it easier to herd cats then it will be to instill your sense of what is moraly correct behavior into the members of this board.  Teaching your own children will be a big enough challenge to keep you busy for many years.  Keep fighting the the good fight though.  But never, ever bend to what the anti's want.

Semper Fi  


edited kuz eye kant spell!  When in the heck did they put a spell checker in here?

Their stereotyping of us is no different than what has happened in the past.  Blacks were viewed as lazy or criminal, Jews were seen as stingy and greedy, Orientals were seen as stupid and ignorant.  None of this was based on facts, just peoples fears.  The liberals are doing exactly the thing that they have always vilified others for.  If some group was trying to take away any Constitutional right from African Americans, there would be a huge uproar.  Yet, the American public as a whole does not seem to see the comparison to the groups that are trying to take away our Constitutional right.

See the string about the MMM official shooting a guy.  It really points out the hypocricy of the anti's.  Better yet, here is the link to the article.

[url]www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel051101.shtml[/url]

CHUCK,
Conformity is often a sign of backing down.  If a small group of beer-guzzling, wife-beating rednecks ruins the anti-gun individuals perspective about GOOD, wholesome firearm owners, then I say "so be it".  Let them have as many disillusions about who we really are as possible; it will only deter them more from fighting their fight because of the rationale that they're using.  

If it comes to a point where anti-gunners are using the argument of "mostly inbred, infidelic rednecks use guns", then they will have already lost.  Prejudice against any class or race is a no-no in a social debate such as this.  For people who think it matters what group best represents us, then it should be their priority to "convert" as many people as possible.  Get involved with the church/neighborhood to have a get-together at your local club or range.  Introduce them into the joys of recreational shooting.  Even if many of them do not end ENJOYING the experience, most (especially those who have never shot before) will express that shooting a gun "wasn't all that bad".

Everything we do, which includes writing, teaching, and testifying to others, makes a difference in a very small part.  I've only introduced my roommate's girlfriend to shooting (who has been a friend for many years, as well), and while she doesn't have the urge to shoot, she's comfortable looking at my "evil black rifle" because she has fired it and knows that it's just a piece of machinery like anything else.

Just an outlook...but I'm not too far off base.
Jewbroni~

Screw those anti gunners. I hate hearing all of that stuff on tv everyday I get home from work after Ive been slaving all day putting new tires on their SUVs up at the shop. The other day I was watchin cnn on the box and I got so pissed off I spilt a whold Busch 40oz on the carton of cigarettes I just bought. Then I went down to the honky tonk and drank 8 shots of wild turkey and ran the 78 Ford LTD into on of my shootin buddies Harley Hog outside. Good thing the left side was still just primer grey or I would have probably wasted about $25 worth of krylon that night. That was a bad day.

Yes, all you little people should just quiet down an let us do the talking. AFTER you buy a $30,000 double rifle or $18,000 Perazzi and have a country club membership, then maybe, just maybe we will accept you.

Did you know that as a whole, NRA members are better educated and more affluent than average?


Alot of us do those things. Often we don't do it as "Shooters". Often times we do. Witness "Hunters against hunger" programs etc. Gun Clubs are often involved in charities too.
As always, more involvement and charity is better. Charity should belong to private individuals/groups, not Gov't.
I think if most people knew who the hunters/shooters were their jaws would drop.

I totally agree With you guys, I was just throwing this out there for discussion!
Thanks,
-Chuck

[b]Oh Boy ---->

The anti-gun folks had better stay clear of the 'ol  mcuzi.com  chat room !   [spank] [/b]

People will live their lives the way they want.  Rightly or wrongly is not decided by owning a gun.  That's the anit's argument.  Gun ownership does not make a man responsible, moral, or riteous.  That only comes from what's inside.  

I think the correct statement should be that Americans should be living a generally moral lifestyle.  Affect that and you won't need to worry about gun control.  I already live what I consider a moral lifestyle.  

In general I live a good, clean life that I'm proud of.  I do this not because I own a gun, and not because some guy on the internet wants me to conform to his ideal of what a gunowner should be.  I live this way beacuse I choose to.

We should not be living right to "help our cause."  We should be living right because that's the way we should be living.  Whether it affects gun control at all doesn't matter to me.  I'm not going to live differently than I do now.

Ross

Hell, most upper class gunowners can't even stand the fact that some of us own guns like SKSs, and AKs.  I'd love us all to be morally upstanding and good....but fat chance of that.  

I personally think that the Antis have more to worry about (a LOT more) morally about themselves than us.

F***'em!  These limosine liberals want the law to apply to everybody else, not themselves.

I can tell you right now...that stereotype is innaccurate. The people who buy guns are the people with money, regardless of what they do for a living. I ran a gun shop for a while...it really opened my eyes.
A congressman won a rifle at the NRA banquet that I contributed. He never picked up the gun. I later discovered he could not pass a backround check.
NO STEREOTYPES.

I don't think we need to change from the anti's stereotypes. most of us don't fit it. I'm a 20 yearold lower middle class kid. my dad never owned guns, but I bought my first gun(10/22) last november(my ar is the LEGP). Everybody considers me smart. i drive a $1000 ford escort and go to college. I've never uttered a racist remark in my life. never fought anybody or shot anybody. never really wanted too either. I'm real moral and religious (Prefering to wait until marriage for sex is an example of what I believe). The antis got most of us wrong. sure some fit the stereotype, but the majority don't. I say we fight with ideas. be respectful and calm when debating guns. show them they are wrong about guns and gun owners. that's the best we can do with them.

Please Understand I am not advocating this stereotype, just nerely pointing out that it does exist b/c of a select few.  I am proud to agree with you Ross. I would like to say the same thing of myself.
-Chuck

Try this on for size---

The MMM's bigoted opinions about gun owners are no more factual than are bigoted racial opinions. Seventy million Americans own over 250 million firearms, and over 99.9 percent do so safely and responsibly. Even though the Million Moms try to blame law-abiding gun owners for crimes, in fact the crime rate is driven almost entirely by hard-core repeat criminals. In terms of accidents, in 1999 there was a total of 96,900 deaths by unintentional injury of all types, and less than one percent of these deaths, 700, involved a firearm (National Safety Council). In 1997, 142 children ages 0-14 died of unintentional gun fire, while 185 died by choking, 676 by burns, 965 by drowning, and 2,900 by car crashes.

Well, let's see.......I smoke, and I work in construction, so I suppose to some I might fit "the profile." Ya know what? It's MY choice to smoke, and I LIKE construction work. Any who group me into some "category," or judge me based on 2 simple facts can f*ck on off!

Sorry for the stupid question: what's a redneck?

A redneck is a term used to describe people, usually from rural areas, lower class in terms of wealth, somewhat uneducated, frequently speaking in a dialect of American-English, and often racist.  It comes from the fact that people who work in the fields/outdside get sunburn on their necks, so the term "redneck" was coined.  The term has changed and grown.  It can be ment as an insult, or a badge of honor depending on how it's used and by whom.

Ross

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But to make us look better in the eyes of the anti-gunners, wouldn't it be better not to drink, sleep-around, Wave confederate flags(i am not against that), smoke a pack a day etc[/b]

Do you not get the point of the 2nd ammendment?  Even the stupidist guy has this GOD GIVEN RIGHT.  My give up any inch, it has never helped so far.

[b]We as gun-owners should get involved with feeding the homeless, building habitat for humanity homes, and various other charitable causes. Food For Thought.
-Chuck[/b]

Let the homeless live off that thought, after all most are there because they [i]want[/i] to be.  

I don't know about you, but I believe in conservative causes.  Gunowners have already bought into too many liberal views like abortion,unions, and various entitlement programs. It's not what we are not doing that is hurting our cause, it is what we are doing.  We are already to liberal ourselves, we are the ones do the damage, not them.

Flagg

Thank you [:)]