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Posted: 10/13/2004 11:37:19 PM

Originally Posted By shadows:
OK...by the second hit to the car..I BET anyone who carries would have his gun out and a serious adrenaline rush. Now comes the driver side window smash...DO YOU FIRE?

I would say that one would be committed and have no choice but to fire.

Now what do you do?




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Yes, if he took out the drivers side window, I'd be shooting.

The threat is RIGHT THERE on you. The next likely hit is your skull.
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Posted: 10/13/2004 11:39:40 PM
Have people just had every fucking bit of the drive for self preservation pussied out of them?

Jesus that vid would have been shorter and bloodier were the victim anyone with a spine.

Don't know if I am mad or sad.
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Posted: 10/13/2004 11:42:17 PM

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Don't know if I am mad or sad.



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Posted: 10/14/2004 12:00:13 AM
IF I lived in Vegas, I would seriously consider doing a little "hunting".
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Posted: 10/14/2004 12:05:11 AM
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
In Texas, (I don't know about Nevada) you would not have justification in killing him. Damage to a vehicle is not justifiable homocide.





That crowbar fits the definition of a club and he got plenty close to the driver.



No one has brought this up in relation to the bystanders' lack of action (I'm not sure I would intervene either.): with shows like Trigger Happy TV, The Jaime Kennedy Experiment, Punk'd and I'm sure numerous others would any of you be sure that this wasn't some kind of prank TV especially with a visible cameraman? If it happened to me I would've dropped him because I wasn't in on the 'joke', but I'm not completely sure I'd intervene.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 12:06:43 AM
[Last Edit: 10/14/2004 12:08:02 AM by fight4yourrights]
That's an interesting thought about this being staged - good way to get someone killed.


I would hope they'd have BIG SIGNS warning people this was staged.


I did notice the PT never hit another car - I would have just shoved my way past if I chose to flee instead of fight.


I likely would have driven up into the lot, toward the cameraman, hopefully with crackhead stuck to the under carriage.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 12:21:18 AM
This really just makes me sick to my stomach.

It's not a good feeling, knowing that if this happened to me, here in California, I would not be able to defend myself with a firearm.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 12:28:44 AM
Too bad Nevada doesn't want to recognize any other state's carry permit.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 12:43:07 AM
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Originally Posted By tax_monster:
Too bad Nevada doesn't want to recognize any other state's carry permit.



Tell me about it, we offer an out of state CCW but that sucks for you guys because you accept our permit.

ETA...We are an open carry state though...but doing that anywhere near the tourist areas would not go over well with anyone.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 1:53:14 AM
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Posted: 10/14/2004 2:37:21 AM
Yep been through that very intersection many times in my visits to Las Vegas. Recognized that intersection right away. Just past the main strip, towards the old strip & Strat Tower.

Intersection = Las Vegas Blvd & Sahara Ave.

You can see part of the Las Vegas Stratosphere Hotel Tower behind him, when he is ranting.

You can also see the Sahara Speed roller coaster & NASCAR Cafe, when he is beating the car up.



Yep, I also Open carrying when I'm visiting there. Confirmed it with an LVPD Officer @ a 7-Eleven, asked him what the legalities were for Cali folk visiting and he was all cool about it.

We were at the SOF convention for a couple years in a row (1990s), and a lot of folks were carry AW for the 3-gun match and the huge gun show at the Sands Convention Hall. I also remember carrying our AR15s through the Sands Casino Lobbies to our rooms years ago. We did get some looks, but we cleared it with the front desk.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 5:37:00 AM

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
That's an interesting thought about this being staged - good way to get someone killed.



Took you guys long enough. 14 "niggers" later and finally someone figures it out....So much for the braintrust.

no tatts. hence no pen time period & no badass.

no gold chains or teeth

convienent tire iron

attacked all windows except drivers, and didnt attack driver


bullshit. staged
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Posted: 10/14/2004 5:38:35 AM
I have been keeping a homemade club in the car recently, just incase I need a non firearm
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Posted: 10/14/2004 5:56:38 AM
I would have flattened his ass.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 6:06:29 AM
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Posted: 10/14/2004 6:25:23 AM
That clip looks like something off of Bumfights, I doubt the driver was in on it, but the crackhead may have been paid with crack or booze to do something crazy.

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Posted: 10/14/2004 6:25:34 AM

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
In Texas, (I don't know about Nevada) you would not have justification in killing him. Damage to a vehicle is not justifiable homocide.



Wrong.

A guy in Houston shot and killed a guy who was punching his car windshield. It was ruled self defense.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 6:43:13 AM
I showed that video to a good friend who was a cop in DC for seven years before quitting to become an airline pilot. His response after viewing it: "You can take the n.gger out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the n.gger."

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Posted: 10/14/2004 7:10:03 AM
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That is a good way to commit suiside.

But i feel it was staged also. nobody seems to have noticed the camera mans shadow. It was a production/news style camera.

Still a good way to commit suiside tho.

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Posted: 10/14/2004 7:10:45 AM
Two to the body, 1 to the head........who's gonna miss Mr. Crackhead?
If anyone DOES miss Mr. Crackhead.....great......go and claim the body, he was an asshole.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 8:00:51 AM

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
That's an interesting thought about this being staged - good way to get someone killed.



Took you guys long enough. 14 "niggers" later and finally someone figures it out....So much for the braintrust.

no tatts. hence no pen time period & no badass.

no gold chains or teeth

convienent tire iron

attacked all windows except drivers, and didnt attack driver


bullshit. staged



Missing teeth, might have been gold before. Perhoaps he's "OG"?

Tire iron was convenient, maybe he decided to make a documentary of his badassness? I don't know. Had I been the driver and not been "in" on the "prank" he might very well have ended up in a body bag as a total stranger beating on my vehicle with a crow bar would cause me to fear for my life. JMHO YMMV
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Posted: 10/14/2004 8:29:17 AM
someone post this on DU and see what their take is.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:03:48 AM
Why the hell do people tolerate this kind of behavior? It's a f**king crowbar; he could kill you with one hit easy. My only debate would have been "use the car or use the gun...?"
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:09:32 AM
The only thing that comes to mine is Steve Martin in the "The Jerk" where he's at the gas station and the oil cans start to explode when shot at by a sniper.

"He doesn't like these Oil Cans!"

Maybe this jerk doesn't like PT Cruisers?
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:11:21 AM
This guy is the best reason I can think of to carry a gun not less than .40 caliber. Somebody as jacked up as he was is going to be hard to stop.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:23:12 AM


Damn!

Center mass -- DRT.

I was just at that intersection a couple weeks ago. Quite impressed with the neighborhood of the north end of the strip.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:23:49 AM

Originally Posted By sae057:

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Well, i know I'm going to start a big stink, buy here it is.

In Texas, (I don't know about Nevada) you would not have justification in killing him. Damage to a vehicle is not justifiable homocide.

The lady could have just driven off and called the police and filed charges.

But if one of us were in the car behind her, and jumped out and shot him DRT, the burden is on you to prove that you were in fear of your life and had to stop him by shooting him.

That's hard to do if you are in a 3,000 pound vehicle and can drive off.

Sorry. I'd like the law to allow us to give him what he deserves, but that ain't the way it is.

If you carry, you need to know the law and know how to stay out of jail. Killing him and then getting to share a cell with Big Bubba won't prove anything.



No, but were you to get out of the car to stop him from damaging your vehicle, and he came towards you with that crowbar, I'd imagine that would qualify as "in fear of grevious bodily harm or death".

+1 to he needs to be removed from the gene pool.



Outside of the "you could have just stayed in your car" defene the prosecuting attorney would hit you with I can totally see how it could be justifiable to put one in his head. Personally I would be fearing for my lfe if that happened to me... Honestly, if he is that fucking hopped up on goofballs that he'd do that without fear of the repurcussions, then why should anyone "fear for their lives' enough to justify defending themselves.

And she could driv away... she was blocked in by the traffic all around her... outside of driving up on the curb and plowing over a few signs and what not... but then she gets hit with destruction of city property...

Also, you don't know who else is in that car... what if there were two infants/kids in child seats getting showered with glass as he busted through those windows with that crowbar? What if the crowbar continued to go through the window and into the head of one of those hypothetical infants. Not to mention having to worry about the glass that the baby is going to pick up and put in its mouth (those of you with kids know that a kid will put EVERYTHING in its mouth).

Nope, sorry... he'd be dead, if I had to take a few wacks with the crowbar to get to himso I could beat him to death with my barehands.... temporary insanity as a result of parental protective instincts... case closed.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:31:24 AM
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Hey I can relate to this guy, I feel like doing the same thing every time i see one of those fukin ugly pt loosers.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:42:53 AM
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It's staged.

Looks like an edit around 39 seconds - when crackhead says, "lemme SHOW yo ass sumpin".

They filmed the "monologue" and then cut to him running over to attack the car after picking up his planted tire iron.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:54:21 AM

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
It's staged.

Looks like an edit around 39 seconds - when crackhead says, "lemme SHOW yo ass sumpin".

They filmed the "monologue" and then cut to him running over to attack the car after picking up his planted tire iron.



Bumfights i believe is from Vegas. The "Indecline" stickers are all over downtown. It might be staged in the sense that the guy may have been paid or what not to do what he did. As for the edit, it could be just a capture from one of those Bumfights videos.
But it looked damn real to me. And if you were in the car next to the Cruiser, could you logically assume that you could be next?
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:55:00 AM
It looks like it was staged in my opinion, but it's a good way to get his ass shot. I know if that would have been my truck and he was anywhere near the drivers side he would be one dead prick courtesy of a .45 . Sorry officer I was threatened by the large metal object being swung at me
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:55:52 AM
Man....waz up wif y'all whaite folk....giv d bruthuh a break.He be vintin like a muh fuka.Ain be hiz fuat da whaite bitch in da blu kar be gittin in da way of hiz rage.Y'all jes wanna keps da bruthuh down.Lil krak done be hertin nobody.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 10:27:47 AM

Originally Posted By dinkydow:
Man....waz up wif y'all whaite folk....giv d bruthuh a break.He be vintin like a muh fuka.Ain be hiz fuat da whaite bitch in da blu kar be gittin in da way of hiz rage.Y'all jes wanna keps da bruthuh down.Lil krak done be hertin nobody.



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Posted: 10/14/2004 10:33:15 AM
I love the reaction time of the people in the car…

I’d love to show this video to all the people who say “I don’t need a gun, the police will protect me.”
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Posted: 10/14/2004 10:34:13 AM

Originally Posted By 2_of_5:


Damn!

Center mass -- DRT.

I was just at that intersection a couple weeks ago. Quite impressed with the neighborhood of the north end of the strip.



What intersection is that?
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Posted: 10/14/2004 10:35:32 AM
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Originally Posted By markl32:


What intersection is that?



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Posted: 10/14/2004 10:37:02 AM

Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER:

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
That's an interesting thought about this being staged - good way to get someone killed.



Took you guys long enough. 14 "xxxxxxxx" later and finally someone figures it out....So much for the braintrust.

no tatts. hence no pen time period & no badass.

no gold chains or teeth

convienent tire iron

attacked all windows except drivers, and didnt attack driver


bullshit. staged



Missing teeth, might have been gold before. Perhoaps he's "OG"?

Tire iron was convenient, maybe he decided to make a documentary of his badassness? I don't know. Had I been the driver and not been "in" on the "prank" he might very well have ended up in a body bag as a total stranger beating on my vehicle with a crow bar would cause me to fear for my life. JMHO YMMV



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Posted: 10/14/2004 10:43:36 AM

Originally Posted By Ramjet:

Originally Posted By dinkydow:
Man....waz up wif y'all whaite folk....giv d bruthuh a break.He be vintin like a muh fuka.Ain be hiz fuat da whaite bitch in da blu kar be gittin in da way of hiz rage.Y'all jes wanna keps da bruthuh down.Lil krak done be hertin nobody.



Translation please.





Man.... what is up with all of you white people. Give a brother a break. He is venting like a mother fornicator. It's not his fault that the white bitch in the blue car is getting in the way of his rage. You all just want to keep a brother down. A little crack hasn't hurt anyone.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 10:45:45 AM
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1st this as he came around to the drivers side: (Kids in the car? See # 3)



Then once he broke the window:



Then This if I felt he was going to come around again (Insert this object 1st if my kids are in the car):



YMMV

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Posted: 10/14/2004 10:48:36 AM
I think he kept the crowbar there for "self defense or offense".


It's nearby, and the Po-Po can't catch him with a weapon.


It's common for these types to have weapons stashed around an area.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 11:01:40 AM
If the car is parked and unoccupied, it is a crime against property...as soon as the car is occupied it becomes a crime against a person when that windshield or side window is smashed (he ain't stealing hubcaps!). In most states you will have a "duty to retreat" if retreat is reasonably possible. "Reasonably possible" will be determined at the leisure of lawyers, Grand Jury and maybe a judge or two much later and well after the fact.

Staged or not, this points out just how quickly stuff like this can...and does...happen. Lots of good material here to make us all think...How fast can you access your "car gun"?...Is your wife or GF ready for the possibility of something like this...mentally as well as weapons-wise? Anyone half paying attention should have had the mental radar buzzer going off as soon as they noticed this guy and his antics and gestures, etc. Easiest thing is to just drive away...if you can...be somewhere else.

As for me here in Florida if this is/was happening to me for real?

First hammer smash might...just maybe...be free...but he would be looking down the barrel of a gun while he did it...and as soon as the hammer comes back for another...

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Posted: 10/14/2004 11:06:32 AM
Typical carwash in Cleveland, the customer paid extra for "detailing".
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Posted: 10/14/2004 11:07:20 AM
I dont like crackhead or pt cruisers so good video.

I like how the crack head had his pipe close by but not so close.

The driver had one of the most lethal weapons on the planet. Hard to blame the driver for not thinking of it as a weapon.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 11:12:43 AM
I would have killed him. I am not a pussy by any means but I would have been in fear of my life if a crackhead came at my car with a crowbar. He would have been shot mulitiple times. It is easier to get out of jail than it is to get out of the morgue.

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Posted: 10/14/2004 11:19:59 AM
My luck, as soon as I cap the guy, I notice the bumperstickers on the PT cruiser trumpeting reparations or some liberal drivel. And in court she stands up for this guy and goes on a tirade about how he was just lashing out after many years of oppression and how guns are evil and I should be burned at the stake.
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Posted: 10/14/2004 11:24:21 AM
I'm pretty sure that here in Virginia you could NOT shoot this guy.

Depends on your definition of "cornered with no escape", if there was no escape and your life was threatened. [devils advocate]This guy arguably was not threatening your life.[/devils advocate]

Nevermind, you could kill him with a crowbar, but if you shot him with your CCW weapon you'd be tried for murder in Virginia.

Sucks cuz this guy needs a (few) bullet(s).


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Posted: 10/14/2004 11:28:48 AM
I wonder where this video came from... Looks remarkably high-quality for some crackhead's buddy. If it's some kind of TV show prank, whoever pulled it is a major-league dumbass, and is lucky the guy didn't get shot or run over.

First hit, crank the wheel to the left, put it in reverse, and you'll run over his ass.
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Yep, I think the KEY here is his "irrational behavior". That "Insane" behavior combined with the deadly weapon is an immanent threat of lethal harm to one's self and/or family members. Nothing but glass in-between us and that crowbar? There's not a jury in the world that would believe that guy wasn't gonna hurt somebody. If the video is real and this guy wasn't acting, he is obviously in a state of rage. Drug induced or not. IF ANYONE HAD STEPPED OUT OF ANY OF THOSE VEHICLES HE WOULD HAVE COME AT THEM...... LIKE RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!
Personally, I would have stepped out. Yelled DROP YOUR WEAPON NOW!!! No doubt, he then comes at me....... POP-POP.... double tap center mass from my Glock 30.
BTW, no one mentioned, people in the background 360 degrees. Not an ideal place to take out a crazed fucking nigger..... but hey, what's a brother ta do.

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Posted: 10/14/2004 11:43:08 AM
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[safety off].........

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Posted: 10/14/2004 11:58:02 AM
must have been commiefornia with the sheeple and all..

nope, it was las vegas...desert inn and las vegas blvd..or was it sahara and las vegas blvd?

anyway ccw definately allowed and prudent in that area.

never go to vegas unarmed ,,if you do your stupid.
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