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Posted: 5/23/2001 5:38:25 PM EST
Looking at RRA site I noticed that they don't use chromed barrels on any of their rifles or barreled uppers. I can understand non-chromed barrels on target or varmint rifles to maximize accuracy but I would think everybody would want chromed barrels on carbines. Even the AR15.com Limited Edition rifle has non-chromed barrel. Anybody know why this is?
Link Posted: 5/23/2001 5:42:09 PM EST
You may want the crome in the barrel. I do believe they are crome molly barrels though.
Link Posted: 5/23/2001 6:10:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/23/2001 6:09:57 PM EST by fight4yourrights]
Cost. Some will argue accuracy, but cost is a big issue. The chromoly steel Rock River uses suffices for most shooter's purposes, may hold an edge in accuracy and is less costly. If this is a deciding factor for you in purchasing an LEGP, Garryowen will swap it for a Bushmaster chromelined (bore and chamber) barrel for $100, I believe. It's a good deal.
Link Posted: 5/23/2001 6:49:04 PM EST
Actually I already ordered a LEGP (190's) and plan on shooting it a lot but I was just curious. I also have other AR rifles (BM) and they all have chromed barrels which I like because they are easier and faster to clean. How much could RRA save by using non-chromed barrel? Few ($5 ?) bucks at most I would think.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 4:45:40 AM EST
Many people want the accuracy edge. I do. The chrome lining is not a factor in my descision.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 4:57:52 AM EST
How many other mfgrs offer chrome lined barrels?
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 6:07:49 AM EST
Really, the main reason is Bushmaster had no interest in doing a LEGP for AR15.com. As for Colt, you know they wouldn't do it nor would I want one.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 7:12:35 AM EST
OLY doesn't chrome Bushmaster (i think) all chrome Armalite depends on the rifle Most AR's will be chrome (MIL-SPEC) I kinda think of it like this STEEL-good cheap barrel good as a "bullet hose" may not be as easy to clean/last as long as chrome CHROME more expensive but easier to clean and very long lasting, also MIL-SPEC if that matters STAINLESS STEEL most expensive easy to clean but not as long lasting as chrome lined. More accurate than chrome lined however. My opinion, You may not agree, Hell I may just be wrong. (I have an OLY......yes i know.... they sell stainless barrels for $35.00-$45.00 over their steel barrel cost. I have a stainless M4gery barrel). [bounce] [:)]
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 8:07:00 AM EST
Yep, the chrome-moly bbl's are just cheaper and slightly more accurate. Chrome is easier to clean, longer lasting, and more expensive. It is just a matter of taste on these. Personally I go for the chrome.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 8:27:21 AM EST
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Link Posted: 5/24/2001 8:34:55 AM EST
What is the deadline on the LEGP rifle?
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 8:43:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/24/2001 8:47:42 AM EST by OLY-M4gery]
I didn't know that Bushmaster's DCM was not chromed, their website says chrome barrels.... there is always an exception. I think I got Armalite right, they have chrome moly, chrome lined and, stainless steel listed. I wasn't aware of Colt's current practices. I think the main point I was trying to make is that the different barrel types have different good points and bad points. There is no magic barrel, but you should buy a barrel that is compatible with your needs/usage. [:)]
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 8:56:41 AM EST
A chrome lined barrel would be most advantageous for use during adverse conditions while performing militia operations in defense of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 9:35:52 AM EST
Darin said, "Yep, the chrome-moly bbl's are just cheaper and slightly more accurate. Chrome is easier to clean, longer lasting, and more expensive. It is just a matter of taste on these. Personally I go for the chrome." If you put a 20" chrome lined HBAR AR-15 on the bench next to a non-chrome lined 4140 HBAR AR-15 and shot targets at 100 yrds, what difference in groups would you see (same person using both rifles)?
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 10:31:34 AM EST
Depends on the quality of the barrels. A good chromelined barrel will outshoot a bad chromoly barrel. All things being equal, the chromoly barrel should be better. Given we had a guy shoot 1/2 MOA at 100 yards with factory ammo from the bench using a standard chromelined Bushmaster, I'd say that's pretty darn good.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 10:35:47 AM EST
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Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:03:17 AM EST
And the break in procedures are quite different, I've heard, between the two, favoring the chrome lined barrel.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:08:49 AM EST
I believe I got an email from GaryOwen saying the price of an exchange to a chrome barrel was $180,Which I thought was sort of shockingly high
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:10:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By M15A2: What is the deadline on the LEGP rifle?
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We plan on keeping the sale open for 30 days after edition #200 is shipped. Best guess for that date right now would be about 2 weeks from now. That would put the LEGP ending after July 4th.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:21:28 AM EST
Regarding chromed barrells: If you put a lot of rounds through your "chromed" barrell, after awhile the chrome will begin to flake off. It may be easier to clean but that is a trade-off, in my opinion, for accuracy. I would not make too much of "chromed" Barrells unless you plan on alot of jungle time and not regular cleaning. Actually, chromolly may be better. Just another opinion. SNB
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:35:46 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:38:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By NO-AR-:(: I didn't know that Bushmaster's DCM was not chromed, their website says chrome barrels.... there is always an exception. I think I got Armalite right, they have chrome moly, chrome lined and, stainless steel listed. I wasn't aware of Colt's current practices. I think the main point I was trying to make is that the different barrel types have different good points and bad points. There is no magic barrel, but you should buy a barrel that is compatible with your needs/usage. [:)]
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Colt discontinued the chrome barrells in their commercial rifles after 1998. Just FYI SNB
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:40:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By SNB: Regarding chromed barrells: If you put a lot of rounds through your "chromed" barrell, after awhile the chrome will begin to flake off. It may be easier to clean but that is a trade-off, in my opinion, for accuracy. I would not make too much of "chromed" Barrells unless you plan on alot of jungle time and not regular cleaning. Actually, chromolly may be better. Just another opinion. SNB
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Only if the chrome process wasn't done right. Chrome lined barrels last longer than unlined barrels, and easier to clean, and are corrosion resistant (nice if you live near the ocean, or in a humid part of the country). Chrome only has 2 disadvantages over chrome/moly Cost & loss of some accuracy (assuming a chrome/moly of equivalent quality). As was pointed out above, unless you are using a scope, from a stabil shooting platform, you likely won't be able to tell the difference accuracy wise.
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Point well taken. SNB
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:42:02 AM EST
cpermd wrote:
I believe I got an email from GaryOwen saying the price of an exchange to a chrome barrel was $180,Which I thought was sort of shockingly high
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[size=3]NO, NO, NO. It's only $100 to have Garryowen [i]swap[/i] for a Bushmaster M4 barrel. The $170 price is for both barrels. Check out [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=10183[/url]
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:52:53 AM EST
Well, what I'm doing IS trying to be more accurate. In other words, quality of shot rather than quantity of shots. Free floated barrel and scope are my setup. I'd better stick with the chrome/moly barrel and just suffer through the tedious break in procedure. *BLAH*
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 12:01:35 PM EST
Whats all this talk about break in procedure? I just shoot all my rifles chrome or no chrome barrel and at the end of the day I just clean it with solvent and run some dry patches. When I got my Sako I took it out after running some patches through the barrel and shot 60 rounds and then another 40 rounds next day before the first cleaning. Now, about 1,500 rounds later it will still shoot less than 1/2" group. Personally I think all this break in procedure this is just a pile of BS.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 12:10:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By Orion: Well, what I'm doing IS trying to be more accurate. In other words, quality of shot rather than quantity of shots. Free floated barrel and scope are my setup. I'd better stick with the chrome/moly barrel and just suffer through the tedious break in procedure. *BLAH*
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Go with stainless steel. Scott
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 12:18:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By Orion: Darin said, "Yep, the chrome-moly bbl's are just cheaper and slightly more accurate. Chrome is easier to clean, longer lasting, and more expensive. It is just a matter of taste on these. Personally I go for the chrome." If you put a 20" chrome lined HBAR AR-15 on the bench next to a non-chrome lined 4140 HBAR AR-15 and shot targets at 100 yrds, what difference in groups would you see (same person using both rifles)?
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Not much, maybe .2 MOA at 100 yards. What I have seen is a small amount from "equivalent" rifles, bushmaster vs colt. It also stands to reason since the chrome is slicker so the rifling will not grip as well and put as good of a spin on the bbl. Try it for yourself and see what you get!
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 12:22:04 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 7:37:08 PM EST
LEGP M4 Barrel vs. DPMS 16" HBAR? Which is more accurate?
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 7:41:09 PM EST
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