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Posted: 5/22/2001 8:43:57 PM EDT
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You know, for all the scary stories, my dealings with ATF have been very pleasant. They have been friendly and polite. I have an FFL, so it is necessary to have contact from time to time. I don't doubt the thugs are out there, but the ones who talk on the phone are very professional. I think it is amazing you got conflicting info. on the same topic from the same agency. If this dealt with anything other than guns they could never make a prosecution stick. The ACLU, Barry Scheck, Al Sharpton, Gloria All-red, Shapiro, etc. would be screaming about the inconsistencies. Nuckin Futs. GRRRRRR!!
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Posted: 5/22/2001 8:48:31 PM EDT
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Did they ask if you own any AR-15 rifles?
It's probably true that the feds have more of a vested interest in going after people who make a profit selling things without paying the required taxes than in trying to bust people for owning something of borderline legality. If you own an AR-15 and bought a "pre-'81" DIAS it wouldn't be very hard for them to make a case that you were conspiring to manufacture a machinegun without paying the required taxes. Such a sting operation would be so easy to conduct, I wouldn't put it past them to do it and lie about it over the phone to bait you. If you don't get information IN WRITING from those guys it's worthless. |
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Posted: 5/22/2001 9:00:07 PM EDT
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The only contact I've ever had with a BATF agent was a casual "hello" at a gunshow. But from what I hear, the commander of your local field office has a lot to do with how they conduct their business in your area. Around my part of the woods they've been pretty cool, at least that's what several FFL holders have told me. However, this may be very different in other parts of the Republic, where there are different field office commanders.
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Posted: 5/22/2001 9:14:18 PM EDT
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I was documenting ALL names,comments,times ect,
until I spoke to the FTB branch. Then I just tossed it. I was getting kind of exited about getting a dias for less than $200. Oh well. One guy even got mad at me after he read the law saying it was legal to own a pre Nov 81 dias. I said,"So I CAN legally buy one"??? He replied,"You didn't listen to what I just read, let me read it again"!! (He definatly had an attitude.) That law doesn't say anything about no sear may be registered after May 86. Even if they were manufactured pre Nov 81 they are considered contraban if they weren't registered. |
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Posted: 5/22/2001 10:02:56 PM EDT
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I had several contacts with ATF agents back when I had my FFL, mostly due to firearms traces. All I spoke to were very helpful and polite.
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Posted: 5/22/2001 10:14:40 PM EDT
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Ray,
Thank you for your recent e-mail to ATF. In regards to your question whether you can legally install a "pre-1981" auto sear into an AR-15 rifle, ATF Ruling 81-4 held that the auto sear known by various trade names including "AR15 Auto Sear," "Drop In Auto Sear," and "Auto Sear II," is a machinegun as defined by the National Firearms Act. This ruling was applied to auto sears manufactured on or after November 1, 1981. In 1986, Federal law changed and imposed further restrictions on the possession of machineguns, generally prohibiting individual possession. Thus, while a "pre-1981" auto sear is not a machinegun, it's use now with an AR-15 type rifle is restricted to that by a government agency. An individual can not acquire one and install it legally. For further questions, you can contact the National Firearms Act Branch at (202) 927-8330 during the hours of 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. (Eastern Time) Monday through Friday (Except Federal holidays). Regards, FEA Directorate this is a e-mail that I got from the ATF when I asked them about a pre 86 dias you can read in to it what ever you want but I would never buy one |
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Posted: 5/23/2001 12:03:54 AM EDT
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ATF is a tax collection agency. Always has been. The gun raids they do today are for show.
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Posted: 5/23/2001 12:25:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: ATF is a tax collection agency. Always has been. The gun raids they do today are for show. I think your 100% correct. That would explain why it took me so long to get an answer from them. I mean even the NFA branch kept passing the phone around. |
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Posted: 5/23/2001 4:34:25 PM EDT
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Pre-81 AR-15 Drop-in Auto Sears
[url]www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/ar_15_auto_sear_faq.txt[/url] |
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Posted: 5/23/2001 9:37:10 PM EDT
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just think of pre 81 DIAS as a expencive paper weight or jail time depening on the way teh wind is blowing that day i think ill go and write a pen and paper snail mail letter and get a answer in writng cuz ive heard diffrent answers of course i really dont care if i wanted a DIAS id buy a registered one and not worry about it
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