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Posted: 5/17/2001 10:19:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2001 10:20:02 AM EDT by Imbroglio]
Everyone should suppport this. [url]www0.mercurycenter.com/premium/opinion/edit/HANDGUNS.htm[/url] Sensible key to gun safety Licensing legislation faces reality: Handguns are inherently dangerous PUTTING a loaded handgun under a bed or in a clothes drawer is like leaving keys on the dashboard. It invites disaster. Most drivers know better. Not enough gun owners do. Out of carelessness or ignorance, they put others in peril. In the last school year, 510 guns were confiscated in California public schools. Only a small portion of those guns were bought illegally. Most, the police say, came from home and or were taken from a neighbor's house, where a kid knew a gun was located. Tempt enough kids, by making guns visible and accessible, and tragedies like the shooting spree this year at Santana High, outside San Diego, will follow. To reduce the risk of accidental shootings and the odds that guns will fall into the wrong hands, handgun buyers should be licensed. They should be required to demonstrate they know how to use and store guns safely. They should prove that they understand gun laws. That is the gist of a licensing bill, AB 35, sponsored by Assemblyman Kevin Shelley, D-San Francisco, and its companion Senate bill, SB 52. It would treat handguns for what they are: inherently dangerous consumer products. Under current law, prospective handgun buyers can take a written exam on gun laws and safety or simply watch a video on guns at a gun dealer. That is to say, they can zone out, as a video drones on, and still get the weapons. No need to touch a gun to take it home.
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 10:21:38 AM EDT
(continued) Under AB 35, buyers would first have to obtain a handgun license, good for five years, from the state. (Current handgun owners would need a license only in order to purchase another gun.) To get the license, they'd first have to go to a firing range and prove they can handle a handgun -- loading and unloading it and installing a safety lock. A two- to four-hour course given by a state-approved instructor would replace the video. License applicants also would have to undergo 10-day background checks -- the same as prospective handgun buyers do now. But AB 35 would require license applicants to be fingerprinted at their local police station. This would serve the immediate purpose of discouraging those ineligibile from buying handguns, such as felons, from using fake IDs at gun shops. The prints eventually could provide a useful data base for tracking gun crimes. Licensing would require two or three extra stops -- the police station, a firing range, maybe a classroom -- before buying a gun. It would add to the cost: about $40 in fees plus the price of a course. But, on balance, these are not undue burdens. They are similar to what some states require for a concealed weapons permit. AB 35 faces a critical vote next week in the Assembly's Appropriations Committee. Among those yet to indicate how they'll vote is first-term Assemblyman Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, and Assemblyman Lou Papan, D-Millbrae. Gov. Gray Davis, who last year threatened to veto any new gun bills, also hasn't yet signaled his intent. Handgun licensing would not eliminate gun crimes, any more than requiring a driver's license has stopped carnage on the highway. But it would be a sensible step on the public's behalf.
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 10:25:00 AM EDT
g more kalifornia stupidity well time to fire off another letter to my reps even thu i dont live in Kali. we all know sooner or later there gonna export this crap to other countrys err states
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 10:29:40 AM EDT
In the last school year, 510 guns were confiscated in California public schools. Only a small portion of those guns were bought illegally. Most, the police say, came from home and or were taken from a neighbor's house, where a kid knew a gun was located.
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Clever way of saying that most were stolen.
Tempt enough kids, by making guns visible and accessible, and tragedies like the shooting spree this year at Santana High, outside San Diego, will follow.
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...but socialists believe that all ownership of personal property will lead to crime.
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 10:44:44 AM EDT
This is another in a piece of garbage legislation coming out of the moral cesspool. Legislation like this puts ordinary citizens at risk, while criminals who don't follow the laws anyway, are able to operate with more freedom everyday. The laws limit our ability to defend ourselves against criminal predators. There will always be children - teen - or otherwise, who do not follow the instructions of parents - i.e the steal. These proposed laws will not stop the intended actions anymore than drug laws are able to stop drug use by the kids. Children will be children unless parents take the responsibilty to educate them in gun safety and use. The big difference between gun use and drugs is the violation of natural law this legislation and regulation of guns places on you and me. They can limit our ability to defend ourselves at critical moments when split seconds are vital. Guns locked away are useless when threats occur faster than a blinking eye. It's like saying, "that gun is designed for only one purpose, to kill people." I'll go you one better, it's designed for CONFLICT. And if the s.it hits the fan, I want the best defense and tools of defense I can afford. Hunting and practice shooting is training for conflict. The laws they propose are to prevent you from responding to conflict, to keep you the subject and the government the tyrant.
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 11:10:11 AM EDT
If we just didn't temp those poor kids, they wouldn't go bad. It's not their fault that they do bad things, it's the fault of all those mean hearted gun owners that have gun just lying around all over tha place.DAMN YOU MEAN HEARTED GUN OWNERS!!
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 12:01:15 PM EDT
i want a new regulated BATF aproved car lock for my sports car and case of beer...........stupid laws for more power right.
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 12:21:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 12:34:17 PM EDT
Common sense and reasonable gun control This is easy folks: Common sense = if the two rounds to center mass don't work, good chance the goblin is wearing body armor. Reasonable gun control = one round right between the eyes. Hunter out...
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 12:36:58 PM EDT
Question: How do we solve the problem with kids with guns? Answer(?): Register law abiding gun owners, and make sure they know how to shoot. I'm sorry, I don't see the correlation here... It's about as much sense as this: Question: How do we solve the problem with kids and peanut butter? Answer(?): Register law abising fridge owners, and make sure they know how to defrost. And how does someone pass a shooting proficiency exam (the requirements decided by the local department (I'd love to see the exam for Los Angeles)), without ever owning or shooting a gun before? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...............
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 1:19:13 PM EDT
The d*ck of some grungy ass guy with AIDS is more dangerous. Let's license them.......
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 3:58:59 PM EDT
Hmmm... it makes perfect sense, the logic is unreal. If any kid tried to use a gun to commit another school shooting the little paper license will magically appear and force the kid to stop what he is doing. "Halt, don't you realize that this is a fully licensed and registered firearm thus it can't be used to murder your classmates."
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 4:16:10 PM EDT
What Mindhunter said!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 4:29:45 PM EDT
humm Lets see ... San Francisco queer capitol of the world It's allright to allow all of the buttf--kers with aids to infest anyone they can get behind, they allow the governmental use of needles which are used over and over, how many die from that an nothing is ever said to outlaw the practice or use of instruments. Mention inherent rights, and those crotch sniffing socialist want to ban, and then confiscate. Perhaps a giant earthquake with that hell hole sliding deep into the pacific will be the only answer. I would hope that each honest freedom loving person would receive some form of devine warning allowing them to leave, and let the gutter slime become fish bait. Only problem is that we would not be able to purchase fish products from the queer coast for awhile as the meat may be tainted.
Link Posted: 5/17/2001 11:01:49 PM EDT
I hate the term "common sense" because it seems to have become an uncommon commodity. More damage has been done in the name of "common sense" than good. One mans "common sense is another mans "stupidity". [spank]
Link Posted: 5/18/2001 4:53:15 AM EDT
The BS just keeps getting higher and higher! None of their premises have no foundation and their conclusions are extermely selective. Oh yeah, I buy into their "logic"
Link Posted: 5/18/2001 6:55:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bolt: Brog,my friend,[;)]can I call you my friend? How can you use the phrase "common sense" and "reasonable gun control" in the same sentence?
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To answer this, you have to check out half of Imbroglio's posts (not the half about women, the other half). [:D] He is one of the masters of sarcasm.
Link Posted: 5/18/2001 7:32:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/18/2001 2:21:22 PM EDT
Common sense gun control is where everyone has guns except Imbroglio.
Link Posted: 5/18/2001 2:28:51 PM EDT
The horror.......the horror...........
Link Posted: 5/18/2001 3:19:30 PM EDT
My granddaddy once said "Monte, common sense aint all that common." Now I am for damn sure and certain he's right. Where I come from, gun control means always treating every gun as if it's loaded, don't point it at anything that you are'nt willing to shoot, and always hitting what you shoot at. Another thing that's bothering me, if all these senators and representatives are anti-gun, then how in the F*CK do they know how to properly store a firearm? They can't as ffar as I can see. Why don't we start implementing politician control?
Link Posted: 5/18/2001 3:55:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sparky315: Common sense gun control is where everyone has guns except Imbroglio.
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Imbro can be on my team anytime. You must have overlooked something, Sparky. Imbro is [i]anything[/i], but (captain) obvious.
Link Posted: 5/18/2001 4:26:18 PM EDT
Licensing would require two or three extra stops -- the police station, a firing range, maybe a classroom -- before buying a gun. It would add to the cost: about $40 in fees plus the price of a course. But, on balance, these are not undue burdens. They are similar to what some states require for a concealed weapons permit
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Then after doing this let me carry it concealed, after all that's what other states do. Yes- "common sense and gun control" is an oxymoron. I wrote Kevin Shelley (he is my assemblyman) before I found out he was a National Socialist, asking him to vote against last year's registration scheme, he wrote back saying he would "consider my views". Unfortunately, he is not only a liar, he now thinks we care and keeps sending us his junkmail. Only thing worse than getting on a politician's mailing list is buying property and getting junkmail from every real estate agent and lending company in the state. Madkiwi
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