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Posted: 5/16/2001 3:34:13 PM EDT

If anybody knows the answer to this please reply!

I have been waiting for an answer to this question on other areas of the board but I havn't got an answer. I'm getting F@#%ing frustrated.

CAN A TELESTOCK (NEW DESIGN OR TRADITIONAL) BE PERMANENTLY FIXED IN A SHORTENED POSITION AND STILL BE LEGAL FOR INSTALLATION ON A POSTBAN LOWER. Im talking 1-2 pos'n from fully extended to accomadate a smaller shooter. My wife is not happy with my weighty HBAR Bushy 20" and feels the legnth of pull is too long.
IS THE TELESTOCK IN A FIXED POS'N CONSIDERED A SOLID STOCK IN THE BATF'S EYES?

Posted: 5/16/2001 3:36:37 PM EDT

[#1]

Yes

Posted: 5/16/2001 3:36:43 PM EDT

[#2]

I don't know the answer but I'm interested in that myself. As long as it is still 28" overall I guess so

Posted: 5/16/2001 3:37:33 PM EDT

[#3]

p.s. Don't listen to Imbrog|io.

Posted: 5/16/2001 3:38:27 PM EDT

[#4]

If the stock cannot be collapsed, it is a fixed stock in BATF's eyes. Lots of people get a telestock and permanently fix it in the 2nd or 3rd position on a post-ban gun- this is perfectly legal as long as the stock is incapable of moving.

Posted: 5/16/2001 3:41:22 PM EDT

[#5]

I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER TO THIS TOPIC FROM JARROD @ BUSHMASTER BUT HE MUST BE BUSY CUZ I BEEN WAITING ALL DAY.

IT SEEMS THIS WOULD BE A GREAT THING. I MEAN HOW OFTEN DO YOU REALLY CHANGE THE LENGTH OF A TELE-STOCK. MOST GUYS I KNOW ADJUST IT AND LEAVE IT THERE. WHY NOT FIX IT IN THAT POSITION FOR POSTBAN GUYS LIKE MYSELF. MY WIFE WOULD GET ALOT MORE MILAGE OUT OF MY AR AND THAT MEANS MORE SHOOTING TIME FOR ME.

Posted: 5/16/2001 3:45:33 PM EDT

[#6]

How are you going to permanently fix the stock?

Posted: 5/16/2001 3:52:37 PM EDT

[#7]

The reason why your question has not gotten the response you need is maybe because this topic has been covered and discussed so many times already. If you will do a search on this topic you may get the answer you seek.

Okay for your benefit, I have read the discussions about this and in my humble opinion, yes and no.

Yes, but you have to make sure that the stock would never be telescopic again. This means that should someone want to make it "telescope" he will destroy and render the stock totally useless in the process of doing so.

No, because if the BATF should get the itch to pick on you, they can always find a way to reverse the procedure that you did given enough time, tools and materials.

YMMV! Your call and please turn the caps lock toggle off!

Hope this helps

Posted: 5/16/2001 3:56:33 PM EDT

[#8]

Sparky315,
Do you know this for sure? From expirience. I'm a little green when it comes to all this Pre/post-ban stuff. I do not want the BATF to come knockin'

Posted: 5/16/2001 4:12:37 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Sparky315,
Do you know this for sure? From expirience. I'm a little green when it comes to all this Pre/post-ban stuff. I do not want the BATF to come knockin'

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Then call the BATF and request an opinion in
letter form or get a BIGGER WIFE!

Posted: 5/16/2001 4:37:19 PM EDT

[#10]

Kracker : Does MO have a AW law mimicing the federal law?
If not the odds of you getting caught border on the infintesimal. For most of us it is a federal law and esentially unenforcable at that. Unless you have a olymipic arms model PCR AR15, the serial number of the rifle would have to be checked, and you would have to assume that whatever DNR or LEO or whatever would know what the law is and if it applies to your rifle (it wouldn't if your rifle was asymbled before 1995).
I have even seen a DNR officer pick up a PCR with a collapsible stock and set it back down in confusion when the owner told him it was all legal.
(PCR means politically correct rifle)
If you are worried about it make the stock permanenently fixed with some JB weld and forget about it. After all the laws can be changed at the whim of politicians at any time.

Posted: 5/16/2001 4:39:03 PM EDT

[#11]

Somehow I double posted but the board won,t let me remove the second post. Sorry

Posted: 5/16/2001 4:44:14 PM EDT

[#12]

Maybe

Posted: 5/16/2001 4:49:25 PM EDT

[#13]

Yes you can!

All Bushy does is transplant an allen head bolt (threaded into under channel???), remove the lever, then drill horizontally and insert two roll pins in the channel under neath the tube. they dont drill the roll pin holes all the way through so you cant push them out.

Presto! its permanent.

Find a Bushy M4 post ban at a local shop, then copy/convert a preban/collapsible into a fixed postban.

goodluck
PS, dont listen to hg112

Posted: 5/16/2001 4:54:24 PM EDT

[#14]

Yes a fixed tele-stock is legal. It's merely a different design than the A1 or A2 standard stock--none of them collapse and can't be (readily) modified to collapse--so they're essentially all the same thing. BUT---buy one from a manufacturer which has gotten BATF approval on their design. Gunsmoke has them for a good price, and you don't have to worry about legality. I wouldn't try to modify a preban collapsable stock myself--you can probably sell it for more than the new legal one will cost anyway.

Posted: 5/16/2001 4:59:15 PM EDT

[#15]

Just use the pre-ban stock and don't worry about it.

Posted: 5/17/2001 5:21:13 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Yes you can!

All Bushy does is transplant an allen head bolt (threaded into under channel???), remove the lever, then drill horizontally and insert two roll pins in the channel under neath the tube. they dont drill the roll pin holes all the way through so you cant push them out.

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WRONG Bushmaster's 'fake collapsible' uses the full length buffer, therefore they must have a full length receiver extension.

We've had this thread before in the Bushmaster forum. The BM 'fixed collapsible' cannot be made any shorter due to its full length tube that LOOKS like the shorter telescoping tube. Jarrod @ BM confirms this (see the thread).

Theoretically you can do it. Practically the BATF can screw you if they want (realisticially its an "add-on" charge). I've always thought besides the pinning idea mentionded above (besure you have at least 3 'blind' pins) you could epoxy a short piece of PVC pipe in the stock so even if the pins were removed the stock COULDN'T go any shorter. Don't know if it would be legal, havn't run it by the BATF yet.

Posted: 5/17/2001 5:34:28 AM EDT

[#17]

Isn't it a sad day when this man has to beg gummint permission to make a firearm suitable for his wife to shoot, when we are SUPPOSED to have "rights?" [:(]

Posted: 5/17/2001 6:07:59 AM EDT

[#18]

If a rifle doesn't fall below the legal length limit when a stock is fully colapsed, why IS it a problem (to the BATF) if a stock moves longer or shorter??? Bench rest shooters have stocks with adjustable lengths of pull!

Is this just another stupid 'cosmetics' law?

Posted: 5/17/2001 6:12:27 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
If a rifle doesn't fall below the legal length limit when a stock is fully colapsed, why IS it a problem (to the BATF) if a stock moves longer or shorter??? Bench rest shooters have stocks with adjustable lengths of pull!

Is this just another stupid 'cosmetics' law?

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Yes.

Posted: 5/17/2001 6:26:00 AM EDT

[#20]

Kracker : Does MO have a AW law mimicing the federal law?
If not the odds of you getting caught border on the infintesimal. For most of us it is a federal law and esentially unenforcable at that

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thank you, Longrange. Not many people see this nit picky shit for what it is.

Posted: 5/17/2001 6:28:37 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Just use the pre-ban stock and don't worry about it.

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I thought about this myself, but worry who is watching at the range. Then you think, are they going to be able to research your serial number on the spot...doubt it!

Posted: 5/17/2001 8:47:28 AM EDT

[#22]

Thank you all for your information and interest. I apologize if this topic has been talked to death. I have been away from the boards since we went to the new site. Back now happy to be with you all.

Looks like I will be ordering a fixed telestock from one of the aftermarket companies like Gunsmoke.

I will NOT be looking for a BIGGER WIFE like some smart a$$ members have suggested. I could say something smart about the size of Hangfire's woman and his preference for the plus size ladies but I won't.(in the interest of peace on the board and all.)

I have cosidered writing the BATF but after some of the horror stories I have read on this forum I don't think that's in the plan.

I'll keep my head down and try to stay off the BATF's radar as much as possible. Thanks again to all who replied. Dr. Cooper

Posted: 5/17/2001 9:13:10 AM EDT

[#23]

Yes.

FYI: All Oly PCR are post ban rifles. Politically Correct Rifle = PCR. Olympic MFR's have to have the numbers checked.

Posted: 5/17/2001 9:37:22 AM EDT

[#24]

Yes, it definitley may not kinda wont work

Posted: 5/17/2001 9:48:13 AM EDT

[#25]

Hmmmm, missed that post.

Posted: 5/17/2001 10:12:48 AM EDT

[#26]

How about using A1-style fixed stock? Is about 1" shorter than A2 stock and has butt-trap in later versions. Safe shooting.

Posted: 5/17/2001 4:03:26 PM EDT

[#27]

Yeah, I'm sure. Don't ask the question if you're not going to believe the answers.

Posted: 5/18/2001 9:54:51 AM EDT

[#28]

Sorry Sparky315,
No offense intended. Just clarifying the information. I never assume anything and I am ALWAYS very cautious especially when it comes to those "evil features" on my favorite AR. As far as I'm concerned the BATF are some of the most underhanded and dispicable agents of our gov. and I was trying to get info from a source other than these idiots. That's why I love this board. Free info and plenty of like minded discussion.

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