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5/29/2017 5:35:05 AM
Posted: 5/14/2001 7:31:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/14/2001 10:03:18 PM EDT by Kuiper]
As I mentioned before, I use a HK .45 Tact. for work, and I also have a Sig 232 for a backup gun. However, after getting expert advice, I am thinking of attempting a two gun technique. I don't mean a new york reload, I mean shooting two handguns at once, specifically two HK .45 tacticals. I tried this at the range a few days ago, and it was fairly successful for my first attempt. My eyes can focus well on two targets, and I am equally good with either hand (insert dirty remark here). I'm got double taps to the 10 ring on two targets at 7 and 10 yards. I'll work on 15 and 25 next. The guys at the range thought I looked like Lara Croft from Tombraider [;)], and they were impressed! The benefits I can think of off the top of my head are, added capacity of ammo for immediate use, I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor. Anyone have any feedback???
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 7:35:53 PM EDT
Who do you work for?
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 7:40:41 PM EDT
HK Tactical for carry + need to fire two guns at once = female mall ninja. [;)]
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 7:44:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/14/2001 7:43:57 PM EDT by gardenWeasel]
If you have to focus on the targets, I would say it is not going to lead to anything useful and may end up being counter productive.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 7:44:33 PM EDT
Just like in Mummy Returns? I carry an H&K Tactical too, and it would be a good choice, nice stable gun and very intimidating in a two gun setup. I don't think I would use the DAO variant however.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 7:44:47 PM EDT
Gawd, does anyone know where I can read that post again about the mall security guy? That was so funny I developed a hernia below my ribcage from laughing so hard.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 7:51:54 PM EDT
Oh my God! a female Rambo wannabe.... [b]Learn to shoot accurately and practice fast tactical reloading in tactical situations and you will not find the need to lug around another handgun[/b]
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 7:54:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL: However, after getting expert advice, I am thinking of attempting a two gun technique.
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Who is this gunguru and what are their qualifications?
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 7:59:22 PM EDT
who do you work for?
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:00:33 PM EDT
Well you don't have to be so mean about it. If you don't think it is a good idea, just say so, don't call me names. I can shoot very well, thank you! I realize it might not be a tech. that everyone can manage, but if I have the coordination and control to pull it off, is that so bad??? Well, if was just an idea, and I got a kick out of it at the range, so I figured I'd ask...
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:02:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL: My eyes can focus well on two targets
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Try focusing on two targets not side by side. Try one at 10 oclock and the outher at 2 oclock and then check your focus factor.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:06:56 PM EDT
You're joking right? Sorry, I'd almost have to see it to believe it. But I'll bite. So did you put 2 targets down range to seven yards or just one? How are you aiming, point shooting or actually focusing on one front sight then the other? Was the double tap 2 consecutive rounds out of the same gun or did you shoot one round from each gun? How fast did you send 10 rounds down range? How about the time on 10 accurate rounds? For the sake of a definition let's say 10 accurate rounds on a standard silhouette, all 10 hit paper and at least 8 hitting the silouette and 6 inside the 7 ring. So let's say you have a 10 round mag in each gun, you flail a total of 20 rounds in 10 seconds, maybe less. How do you reload?
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:11:35 PM EDT
I personally recomend the Bruce Willis "2gun-prone-roll-technique"! Very impressive to all of you're friends. Also, borrow friends gun and attempt the slide-under-car-and-use-gun-for-brake-manuever as seen in John Woo movies. Goes well with sideways gangsta aiming system.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:12:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL: The benefits I can think of off the top of my head are, added capacity of ammo for immediate use,
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Try reloading with two guns in your hand during a adrenalin dump.
I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor. Anyone have any feedback???
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This is the biggist pile of BULLSHIT I have seen on this board in weeks. To put it bluntly you are a bloody asshole and should never be allowed to work in any capacity that requires a firearm.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:16:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL: Well, if was just an idea, and I got a kick out of it at the range, so I figured I'd ask...
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More BULLSHIT. You said you got expert advice! EXPERT ADVICE or JUST AN IDEA, Which is it?
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:16:52 PM EDT
Okay, so it's probably a LOT harder when you aren't shooting at paper. I set 2 targets in my lane (the lines have two points to hang paper from). And the shooting is more of an alternating from one gun to the other in rapid succession. Reloads are done by holstering one, but with 24 rounds on hand, you usually don't need to reload. Again, it was the first time with it, I'll keep trying, but won't use this method unless it works. I'm just seeing if anyone has ever done this, someone has to have. If it is too stupid, than I'll forget about it, but I just wanted some advise from folks that know a lot about shooting.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:20:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL: The benefits I can think of off the top of my head are, added capacity of ammo for immediate use,
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Try reloading with two guns in your hand during a adrenalin dump.
I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor. Anyone have any feedback???
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This is the biggist pile of BULLSHIT I have seen on this board in weeks. To put it bluntly you are a bloody asshole and should never be allowed to work in any capacity that requires a firearm.
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You don't have to be such a jerk. I never said anything rude to you. If you don't agree, a little constructive critisms would do nicely, I'm trying to learn, were you born with all your gun knowledge??? What are you afraid of a capable woman with a gun??? Your kind gives gunowners a bad name. Either be more gentlemanly, or don't respond to my posts anymore...
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:22:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL: If it is too stupid, than I'll forget about it, but I just wanted some advise from folks that know a lot about shooting.
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Again, you stated you got expert advice. From who? And yes it is TOOSTUPID
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:36:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL: Well you don't have to be so mean about it. If you don't think it is a good idea, just say so, don't call me names. I can shoot very well, thank you! I realize it might not be a tech. that everyone can manage, but if I have the coordination and control to pull it off, is that so bad??? Well, if was just an idea, and I got a kick out of it at the range, so I figured I'd ask...
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No need to worry about the comments here. You will see quickly, as you probably already have, that you need to have some thick skin on this board. [;)]
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:37:40 PM EDT
Hey tac! I won't be so gruff as some of the others but the concept is neither practical or fuctional. If you shoot that well I applaud your talent. But being "PERFECT" with one gun is a lifetime endevor for most. It has been said to me that "If all the rounds dont go in the same hole there is room for improvement".I personally am a ways from perfect with one gun let alone two at once. Also bear in mind that fine motor skills and other senses are/can be greatly affected in actual real world firefights. I have personally experienced this in my own journeys with the gun. take it for what its worth. I dont know everything but I do know those things to be true. Take care and good shooting.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:41:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL:
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL: The benefits I can think of off the top of my head are, added capacity of ammo for immediate use,
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Try reloading with two guns in your hand during a adrenalin dump.
I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor. Anyone have any feedback???
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This is the biggist pile of BULLSHIT I have seen on this board in weeks. To put it bluntly you are a bloody asshole and should never be allowed to work in any capacity that requires a firearm.
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You don't have to be such a jerk. I never said anything rude to you. If you don't agree, a little constructive critisms would do nicely, I'm trying to learn, were you born with all your gun knowledge???
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You are the JERKOFF! You and your still unnamed expert put a pile of bullshit on the board and expect consideration? You say you carry a gun at work and you are still trying to learn?
What are you afraid of a capable woman with a gun???
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Capable woman with a gun? Capable of what? Making a bloody fool of yourself.
Your kind gives gunowners a bad name. Either be more gentlemanly, or don't respond to my posts anymore...
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You are the one that gives gun owners a bad name,"laying down suppressive fire...". If you don't like the response keep your stupid tac-girl mouth shut.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:47:19 PM EDT
Tac-Girl is this the first time you have gotten flamed on this board. You forgot to put on your nomex suit didn't you? Well everybody enjoys the cat fights so have fun.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:48:53 PM EDT
Here it comes...you better start running! [img]http://home.earthlink.net/~thegardenweasel/newforumII.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:49:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By slt223:
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL: Well you don't have to be so mean about it. If you don't think it is a good idea, just say so, don't call me names. I can shoot very well, thank you! I realize it might not be a tech. that everyone can manage, but if I have the coordination and control to pull it off, is that so bad??? Well, if was just an idea, and I got a kick out of it at the range, so I figured I'd ask...
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No need to worry about the comments here. You will see quickly, as you probably already have, that you need to have some thick skin on this board. [;)]
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slt223 What is your problem? The post is not " I two gunned at the range today and had a blast". TACSTUPID GIRL and STUPID EXPERT think this system is viable. If a guy had posted this crap you guys would be all over him.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:50:44 PM EDT
Its not going to do what you want it to do. Six
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:56:39 PM EDT
'weasel: that was f'n hilarious. Hangfire: you're my hero.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 8:58:10 PM EDT
>>I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor. >>Anyone have any feedback??? Yeah- stay away from guns. The legal problems engendered by "suppressive fire" from a civilian, (yes, even security people AND police are civilians...) to say nothing of the -pardon me- "collateral damage", would boggle the mind and give even more grist to the mills of the gun grabbers. Who is the gun expert you refer to? Does he/she/it call her-him-itself Gecko 45?
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:02:33 PM EDT
wow, you are the most popular girl on the boards and...... you didn't even have to have sex with anyone. You should be proud
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:09:29 PM EDT
HANGFIRE, you are a ranting lunatic. How are you allowed to have guns, I didn't think they allowed anything not padded in rubber where you live? Oh well, it is time for you medication... As I said, I did this at the range, so it was safe and in a controlled environment under the watchful eye of my friend the RM. I wasn't shooting at squirrels in the backyard, like HANGFIRE likes to do, that is before he got sent to the padded cell. Jerk...
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:11:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: slt223 What is your problem? The post is not " I two gunned at the range today and had a blast". TACSTUPID GIRL and STUPID EXPERT think this system is viable. If a guy had posted this crap you guys would be all over him.
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I take it back, you sound like a child. I'm sorry for making fun of you. Your mommy isn't mad at me I hope???
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:11:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/14/2001 9:21:56 PM EDT by darm441]
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Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:12:56 PM EDT
Hang in there, tacgirl. Just two quick points. First, the two-gun technique really isn't particularly viable in the real world. It is fun on the range and in a controlled environment, but has limited potential outside of the range. Second, regarding the comments from some, if you hang around enough you will notice that those who are the most insulting to the individual are also the ones that are usually the least knowledgeable about the subject. They think throwing out a bunch of insults helps them hide their ignorance. It doesn't of course, but they are also usually to foolish to realize how foolish they make themselves look!
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:15:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By darm441: Hang in there, tacgirl. Just two quick points. First, the two-gun technique really isn't particularly viable in the real world. It is fun on the range and in a controlled environment, but has limited potential outside of the range. Second, regarding the comments from some, if you hang around enough you will notice that those who are the most insulting to the individual are also the ones that are usually the least knowledgeable about the subject. They think throwing out a bunch of insults helps them hide their ignorance. It doesn't of course, but they are also usually to foolish to realize how foolish they make themselves look!
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And then there are those who choose to insult en masse.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:39:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:40:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/14/2001 9:41:18 PM EDT by uglygun]
Mall Security? Could Gecko45 have a girlfriend posting on the forum now? Perhaps it's one of the members of the mall Fast Action Response Team or "FART". Gotta use those electric powered rapid deployment vehicles too, since it's indoors you can't use the gas powered ones and with electric motors you've got the additional ability of stealth where you can sneak up on them from behind in true ninja fashion. I suggest dual Special Weapons subguns instead of HK Tactical 45s, I'm sure Toad could help supply them for you. This post was made with a LOT of references to past things that have gone on in this forum as well as others, the intent was that of novelty. Serious issues have already been brought to the head by others here, but if you're gonna talk about shooting like some kind of Laura Croft "Tombraider" type person then expect to have people poke fun at you a bit.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:44:15 PM EDT
if we could just combine this thread with the killing of innocent cats it would be perfect.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:46:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By darm441: Second, regarding the comments from some, if you hang around enough you will notice that those who are the most insulting to the individual are also the ones that are usually the least knowledgeable about the subject. They think throwing out a bunch of insults helps them hide their ignorance. It doesn't of course, but they are also usually to foolish to realize how foolish they make themselves look!
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Another STUPID INCIPIENT DEFENSE OF THE INDEFENSEABLE.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:47:34 PM EDT
Would it be prefferable to use cats when training with the two gun technique? TacGirl probably has lots of cats. Oh man, I'm going to hell for this.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:48:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TAC-GIRL: The benefits I can think of off the top of my head are, added capacity of ammo for immediate use, I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor.
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Sounds good to me!
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:50:52 PM EDT
ummmmmm laura croft shooting cats... uh, i have to go to the bathroom
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 9:59:13 PM EDT
Tac girl: would be a awsome site! I dont think a hk and a sig would match. Two hk's if you had to reload the mags would fit both. Or better a glock 22 and a glock 27.
Link Posted: 5/14/2001 10:04:48 PM EDT
Sure has been a while since there was a good old flamefest. This one ends here...... Kuiper
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