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Posted: 5/9/2001 11:46:00 AM EST
[url]http://azcentral.com/news/0509mccain.html[/url] God, how I loathe that man. He fits the term Politician to a "T". Don't forget the links at the bottom. Gun safety ads featuring McCain to preview at movie theaters Shannon McCaffrey Associated Press May 9, 2001 WASHINGTON - Moviegoers may soon get a 30-second lesson in gun safety along with their popcorn. Beginning May 18, a trailer featuring Arizona Sen. John McCain talking about gun safety will play on 2,500 screens in 44 states. In the ad, McCain, standing on a school playground, urges adults to keep guns locked up and encourages children to tell a parent or a teacher if they hear someone talk about using a gun. "Because what you do today may save a friend's life tomorrow," McCain says. "In this great country, owning a gun is a right that carries responsibilities," the former GOP presidential candidate says. Americans for Gun Safety, a nonprofit group, is paying $250,000 to run the ad for one month in 210 cities. Jonathan Cowan, president of Washington-based group, said the message is being taken to movie theaters to catch the attention of kids and parents as the summer movie season kicks off. Cowan said the group was also focusing on movie to remind children "that the use of guns as entertainment in movies is not something anyone wants to see in real life." American for Gun Safety estimates that 40,000 children bring guns to school each year. The group is also launching a firearms safety program online. The ad will appear in every state except Alabama, Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Hawaii and Utah. Jim Baker, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, said the message of the movie trailers is a good one. But he said it belies Americans for Guns Safety's broader agenda of more stringent gun control measures, which NRA opposes. The ad makes no mention of gun control, but McCain and Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., are planning to introduce legislation later this month designed to close a loophole that allows weapons to be purchased at gun shows without a background check. Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., has already introduced similar legislation. --- On the Net: Americans for Gun Safety: [url]www.agsfoundation.com[/url] McCain: www.senate.gov/mccain
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 11:48:22 AM EST
So start writing letters to movie theaters and complain about it. Theaters all over the country are on the verge of bankruptcy because they can't fill the seats. Or do what I'm likely to do--yell "Fuck you McCain" in a crowded theater when the commercial comes on. It's fun to heckle the previews, so how is this any different?
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 11:50:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/9/2001 11:49:42 AM EST by M15A2]
I plan to boo the screen if I see this ad.
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 12:03:35 PM EST
The NVA should have kept that stinking Navy zero puke! Little Mr. Admiral's son got better treatment than the rest of the POWs did. Heck WHy do ya think most of the former residents of the Hanoi Hilton hated his guts! My message to McCain: [-!-!-] RMCS, USN(ret) RivRon 5 RivDiv3 Vietnam 68-69
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 12:03:52 PM EST
I would suggest that you NOT swear when they show this ad. You will just re-enforce the believe ( incorrect ) that gun owners are all a bunch of crude, rude red necks.... A simple Boooo is appropriate and makes the same point.
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 12:06:34 PM EST
McCain and AGS suck, I like the idea of teaching others about gun safety, but those ads sound more like a political agenda than trying to teach anyone. Ice
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 12:10:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By Stormbringer: I would suggest that you NOT swear when they show this ad. You will just re-enforce the believe ( incorrect ) that gun owners are all a bunch of crude, rude red necks....
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Not to mention the fact, that you could then be charged with a crime. In AZ, Disorderly conduct (disturbing the peace), use of abusive or profane language. It's a chargable offense providing another moviegoer complains. F'em. I'll call ahead of time, and if they do in fact show this crap. I'll go elsewhere.
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 12:12:00 PM EST
mccain in 2004!
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 12:24:41 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 12:28:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By Joe Blacke: [ Not to mention the fact, that you could then be charged with a crime. In AZ, Disorderly conduct (disturbing the peace), use of abusive or profane language. It's a chargable offense providing another moviegoer complains.
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Joe, That's not entirely correct. In order for the "breach of peace" criteria to be met under any disturbing the peace/disorderly conduct charge, the comment must rise to a level that it would, to a reasonable person, likely result in an instant violent response by the person with whom the remark is made. If it does not meet this standard, it violates the 1st Amendment, so says the Sup Ct. BTW, I agree with this test. The case that set out this test came out of GA but I don't have the cite (I'm at home). This is the rule regardless of what a state statute says since the federal constitution is a floor, not a ceiling, and therefore states are prohibited from restricting already guaranteed federal constitutional rights.
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 12:42:07 PM EST
[b][size=6][red]blow me mccain.[/red] [/size=6] [/b] can anyone tell i hate traitors.....
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 12:55:18 PM EST
Steve, Trust me, it is a chargeable offense. Disorderly conduct, use of profane or abusive language, to disturb the peace of a neighborhood, or a person. The statute requires that 1. there be more persons present than just the individual who utters such language, and 2. such person are offended by the language/actions of the individual. Cops themselves have been held by the courts as being "excempt" as a victim of this charge. Often times at a DV situation, the cops will go next door, and ask a neighbor if they heard one of the subjects make profane statements. If the answer is yes, the police then ask the neighbor if they would be willing to assist in prosecution. If the answer is again yes, then they ('da police, dat is) hook and book. Now, if your saying that it isn't a CONVICTABLE offense, then I would also disagree. I've seen it charged, prosecuted, and the subject(s)adjuticated guilty.
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 12:58:55 PM EST
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This guy is a real trip... What a a-hole!!!!! From hero to big time[red]ZERO [-!-]
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 3:44:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/9/2001 3:45:08 PM EST by Steve-in-VA]
Joe, I trust you. I have no reason to disbelieve anything you have seen, however, the statute, as you relay its essential elements, is unconstitutional. I've seen similar ones struck and read the caselaw from other states. The landmark US Sup. Ct. case came out of a GA statute similar to yours. Our courts never changed our statute, however, they have set out the "breach of peace" criteria in order for the statute to pass constitutional muster. Your state evidently has not had to deal with the issue, or, the statute has been scrutinized by caselaw and changed but not followed on the local level. At any rate, any speech that merely "offends" is protected speech- it must be language that has a tendency to provoke violence to get beyond the 1st amendment problem. But like I said, the issue has not been raised on your local level for whatever reason (a defense lawyer would have to raise it, otherwise, it's waived).
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 3:52:00 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/9/2001 5:11:46 PM EST
70-80,000,000 gun owners banded together could pass or kill ANY LEGISLATIVE ACTION. This country is still of and by the peopleof which the marjority still think their vote don't count.
Link Posted: 5/9/2001 8:39:44 PM EST
i cant wait to vote agient him in the next election and for the record i didnt vote for him in the primarys
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 12:51:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/10/2001 12:50:53 AM EST by Ulysse_Nardin_1846]
WTF is this? Next on a cereal box? AOL McLame. Time to compile a letter for the POS! Let's chip in for a one way ticket to get his sorry ass back to Hanoi. The man definitely suffers from some sort of post traumatic syndrome. Remember when he referred to the Vietnamese as "gooks"? Regardless of whether that may be the case or not he displayed a total lack of disrespect for US citizens of Vietnamese descent. They probably voted for GWhore anyways but still. Whether he likes it or not the Vietnamese are here to stay. The chump then claimed he was only referring to his captors. Ya sure he was. As a former presidential contender you would think he would keep his deep hatred for them a little lower profile. Hey SteyrAug! How much to transport that sorry ass one way to Hanoi? Boycott McLame!!!!(Got that idea from SteyrAug)
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 1:00:26 AM EST
i guess i can take my time at the concession stand now
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 5:10:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By timeport: Remember when he referred to the Vietnamese as "gooks"? Regardless of whether that may be the case or not he displayed a total lack of disrespect for US citizens of Vietnamese descent. They probably voted for GWhore anyways but still.
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I worked on Bob Dornan's Congression re-election campaign(the seat is currently held by Loretta Sanchez) a few years back. The Vietnamese campaigned for Bob D. pretty hard. From what I saw, a lot of them probaby voted for GW Jr.
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 5:45:36 AM EST
Pleas let them run this add for free in AZ. Believe me, this will not win him any new votes at home. If only a conservative would run against him for his next term he would loose by a landslide. THISISME
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 6:05:52 AM EST
What a bunch of horse shit. Far be it that they would allow the NRA, pioneers of gun safety to run gun safety ads in the theatres.
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 7:45:40 AM EST
Do you want hillary to be president? You all better vote for mccain in 2004 or you will just be throwing your vote away.
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 1:49:43 PM EST
I'd boo like you wouldn't believe!! When I was first getting involved in politics, I thought McCain was pretty good, but as I found out more about him, I realized he is just a wolf(demo) in sheeps(repub) clothing. I was planning on voting for him in the primary last year, but then woke up and voted for Alan Keyes. McCain is just a socialist like most of the politicians today.
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 2:33:29 PM EST
McCain sucks!!! He makes me sick. We better watch out for him since lots of people are stupid enough to vote for him. This is for you John McCain. [-!-!-]
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 5:14:40 PM EST
Hey, To everyone that's quick to pop up a middle finger and shout FUCK YOU to John McCain, maybe you should remember that gun SAFETY isn't suck a bad thing. I'll take SAFETY over CONFISCATION any fucking day of the week. Telling people that they SHOULD lock up their guns is fine with me, just don't write it into LAW. Which I doubt McCain plans to do anytime soon. Alot of you guys that have the luxury to live in a state that isn't so highly regulated can afford to be flippant and flip McCain the bird. Go ahead, because unless we all face up to the fact that owning a firearm is a RIGHT, it is a right that comes with responsibillity. Maybe if we take measures on a voluntary basis like putting a trigger lock on a gun, it won't become law. Don't get me wrong, I don't want ONE MORE GOD DAMN GUN LAW TO BE PASSED! EVER! But, when you look at the big picture, there's alot of morons in this country that only know about firearms from the movies. What's the difference from McCain saying that you SHOULD put a lock on your gun and him saying that you ought not to burn down your house? or that you may not want to drink paint? No laws, just advice. Fine by me. If we villify and alienate everyone else we will not have the 2nd ammendmant anymore. Face it we ARE the minority. SAMHAIN44
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 5:19:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By warlord:
Originally Posted By timeport: Remember when he referred to the Vietnamese as "gooks"? Regardless of whether that may be the case or not he displayed a total lack of disrespect for US citizens of Vietnamese descent. They probably voted for GWhore anyways but still.
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I worked on Bob Dornan's Congression re-election campaign(the seat is currently held by Loretta Sanchez) a few years back. The Vietnamese campaigned for Bob D. pretty hard. From what I saw, a lot of them probaby voted for GW Jr.
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I always think a lot of minorites are suckered by the Democraps. They like to claim: Democrap == working people Republican == wealthy people
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 5:32:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By Samhain44: Hey, To everyone that's quick to pop up a middle finger and shout FUCK YOU to John McCain, maybe you should remember that gun SAFETY isn't suck a bad thing. I'll take SAFETY over CONFISCATION any fucking day of the week. Telling people that they SHOULD lock up their guns is fine with me, just don't write it into LAW. Which I doubt McCain plans to do anytime soon. Alot of you guys that have the luxury to live in a state that isn't so highly regulated can afford to be flippant and flip McCain the bird. Go ahead, because unless we all face up to the fact that owning a firearm is a RIGHT, it is a right that comes with responsibillity. Maybe if we take measures on a voluntary basis like putting a trigger lock on a gun, it won't become law. Don't get me wrong, I don't want ONE MORE GOD DAMN GUN LAW TO BE PASSED! EVER! But, when you look at the big picture, there's alot of morons in this country that only know about firearms from the movies. What's the difference from McCain saying that you SHOULD put a lock on your gun and him saying that you ought not to burn down your house? or that you may not want to drink paint? No laws, just advice. Fine by me. If we villify and alienate everyone else we will not have the 2nd ammendmant anymore. Face it we ARE the minority. SAMHAIN44
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McLame is just trying to make a name for himself and this is only the beginning of his long term plan. Common sense- ya right. How long has he been preaching gun safety? This is merely his first angle of attack. Pretty soon you can expect the asshole to be endorsing HCI ads in the theaters. Hell, he's probably already on their payroll. I don't need any McLame telling me how to lock up this or that. Especially in a damm movie theater of all places. Wish that prick was around when the Khmer Rouge came to power and they... Well, you fill in the blank. [-!-!-]Hey McLame![-!-!-]
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 6:44:35 PM EST
Hey, last time I checked, preaching gun SAFETY wasn't a BAD thing. Making new LAWS against gun ownership was! BTW, McCain has been a senator in AZ since the invention of the wheel... Would you rather have Schumer, Hillary or Feinstien that dont know dick about firearms and just sit in an ivory tower and legislate new shit? The gun laws in AZ seem pretty good from a NY point of view... And say whatever you want, the man is still an american hero, even if he was to join HCI tommorow, ( I really doubt that shit....) I'd still look up to him for what he did in his service record. SAMHAIN44
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 8:16:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By Samhain44:Hey, last time I checked, preaching gun SAFETY wasn't a BAD thing. Making new LAWS against gun ownership was! SAMHAIN44
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No gun safety is ok, but anti's gun safety is off the wall: besides banning all guns, they support gun locks. Hello, gun locks? A locked gun is a criminals friend. If a gun is locked up it is worthless. You can't use it to defend yourself. I keep all my guns unlocked and loaded, ready to use. I tossed out the gun locks I received with my firearms, don't need. They can be easily broken if one takes the time, and make the gun useless for defense. As for keeping kids safe, teach a kid about guns, and he won't be using it to kill simple is that
Link Posted: 5/10/2001 9:04:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/10/2001 11:32:27 PM EST by Ulysse_Nardin_1846]
Originally Posted By Samhain44: And say whatever you want, the man is still an american hero, even if he was to join HCI tommorow, ( I really doubt that shit....) I'd still look up to him for what he did in his service record. SAMHAIN44
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Will you still look up to him when he proposes his next anti-gun legislation? You are aware that he's in bed with Lieberman on gun control right? That's right. Gun control not safety control. Hero or not, he is but one of many politicians in this country who should be rounded up and charged with treason! Looking for a new hero yet? Try Chuck Yeager. Edited because I forgot my official McLame salutation. [-!-!-]Hey McLame![-!-!-]
Link Posted: 5/11/2001 7:20:19 AM EST
Gotta love this "sensible gun control" and "gun show loop hole" stuff from McCain. He supported the closing of the "gun show loophole" here in Oregon. Now when I go to the local STORE to buy a .22 rifle for my grandson I have to provide thumb prints and the records are kept for FOUR years, long time for a backround check! Oh, and I have the pleasure of paying $9 for the backround check for each firearm bought even though I paid through the nose for a backround check for my CHL! I fully support SAFETY, not b.s. gun control at any stage.
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