Why? Please explain...

Becaues it improves the quality of life for society and we can accomplish so much relatively easily.
It is the same reasoning behind public vaccinations.

Personally, I've been to a few (and even lived in one) shithole third world countries.  They were arfcom's dream come true of people unable to afford healthcare literally dying in the street.  Let's just say I prefer to live in first world countries, particularly now that I have kids, and wouldn't want to see that in the US.  

Now is healthcare a right?  No, of course not.

After listening to debate about Obama care and healthcare in general and through personal experience attempting to obtain healthcare for my self I have developed a new way of looking at the issue.

I now agree with those that say that healthcare is a right just like anything listed in the Constitution and I believe that we should amend the constitution to include it along side freedom of speech, freedom of religion and of the press, the right to bear arms, protection from unreasonable Search & Seizures, and the protection of the right to life, liberty and property.

All these rights defined by the Constitution are limits on what the government can do.

We need a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to healthcare, preventing the government from interfering in the ability of American citizens to seek out and obtain healthcare.

That does not mean that someone else can be forced to pay for my healthcare. Just like a publisher cannot be forced to pay for a book I want to publish or a gun shop cannot be forced to give me a gun or that the government cannot force me to practice a religion but that the Government cannot interfere with me exercising my right to seek it out and obtain it on my own.


Currently, Obama Care is doing just that. It is interfering with the ability of Americans to seek out and obtain healthcare. The Government needs to be forced out of the way.

But wouldn't it improve the quality of life for society if every one exercised and ate healthy? How about if everyone was given a new house.
That would do the same thing... So, we should force everyone to exercise for an hour a day, we should destroy all fast food companies and force builders to provide a free house to everyone.

Rights prevent the government from interfering. They do not allow it to.

Both.

I bet if your SIL wanted to cut his dick off and then become your daughter-in-law, the VA woukd trip all over themselves to make sure he got started on the right hormones and treatments.

Case in point:

You do realize it was the .gov's food pyramid from the 1970's, 80's, 90's, and 2000's, that got us to being fat, right?

Ding.  Same goes for health insurance.

Bull.  Who, exactly is "Society" and who gave them decision authority?  No me.  

Wasn't it in San Francisco already where the city government's health insurance is paying for government employees' sex change operations?

http://blog.sfgate.com/cityinsider/2012/11/17/san-francisco-to-cover-sex-change-surgeries-for-all-uninsured-transgender-residents/


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One of those is not like the others.  Fire, police, Ambulance (sometimes) and public scrools are paid for by TAXES and run by government.  ERs are not.

I'm of the opinion that the only "rights" that you have only exist in the State of Nature, or those you are willing to demand (backed by the threat of force) for yourself.

Everything else is just bullshit and fairy dust.

Are you dense?
Society is the society you live in which is to say America.
And Americans have decision authority becaues we can vote and send representatives to make laws.
I mean seriously, just because you don't believe in the idea of society doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

One way or another society is definitely taxed to pay for ERs and lots of other health services.
Besides that isn't the point but rather the idea that you can have such a thing as public services or social services.
These things clearly exist and can clearly be defined by society to some extent and there can be laws written to pay for them with taxes.

You made a lot of horrible apples to oranges comparisons there but I like your idea bout the new house since we already do provide lots of housing via welfare/section 8.

We have been at 435 Representatives since 1910 when the population of the US was 92 million.  So back then, 1 rep per 212,000 people.

We are at 1 rep per like 710,000 people now.

Not that it matters because the Congress critters aren't really beholden to the people.  They are beholden to the special interezt groups.

I just want to know what it stopping all these huge hearted collectivists from paying for everyone's healthcare voluntarily. I don't think anyone will stop you from providing charity at your own expense.

Why does it have to be provided at my expense?

How is the government's meddling in health insurance/healthcare any different than the 1986 machine gun "ban"?

All that did was create an artificial shortage which drove prices up.

They'd never have enough money if they didn't force everyone else to do it at the end of a rifle barrel.

Ironically, it reduces free ridership.

Our rights, by the very definition, cannot be collective.

And anyone that has been to the VA probably knows better to let the government run all hospitals. 

Your 'rights' only exist in the collective that is the United States.
It is you being a part of that collective that earns you those rights.

I have to wonder if the presumption was made somewhere way up in the Obama administration that since the military people and veterans are mainly conservative people, that their healthcare can wait.

Because if that could be proven... much like how the IRS targeted TEA party groups... then the same exact thing will happen when government runs all of healthcare.

There will be some pro-BLM/pro-antifa transgendered thing .gov healthcare employee in charge of scheduling looking through patients's facebook profiles and the list of registered Republicans.

"Oh...Mr. WeimaranerDad is a registered Republican.  He was supposed to be scheduled for a kidney stone procedure on January 11th.  Hmmm....let's push that back til September 11th.  Ha...ha!  Fuck that guy!"

We get it, you're poor and feel entitled.

By the way, argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.

The law doesn't care what you think.
There is a significant amount of social regulation in the healthcare industry right now and it has been that way for a long time.
As the system of paying for and getting healthcare continues to be a bane to society healthcare will continue to be seen more and more as a social service.

Republicans have had multiple chances to move us off this precipice but they cared more about insurance companies and drug companies than they did the voters.

The same reason access to education is a social responsibility. A smarter society is a better one, same with a healthy society.

Is that the bitch who talked shit to my president recently?