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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:29:59 PM EDT
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AWD actually makes it harder to slow down rather than easier. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looked like one of those new Ford Taurus stretch. iirc AWD I haven't driven one. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:32:41 PM EDT
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Anything in our file gets purged after two years if we take the time to stay on top of it. They're also allowed to have only one file, after previous CLEOs and personnel folks were caught keeping multiple files on employees. We're able to schedule an appointment and go through our file to ensure that old stuff is purged. Last time I was able to see mine I was looking up some old military service credits; they keep just about everything related to your employment. I wasn't about to take the time to go through hundreds of PDFs looking for older disciplinary stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought things like that stayed with you forever. While glad it is not my jacket but that really isn't that bad except for that 2011 deal. They're also allowed to have only one file, after previous CLEOs and personnel folks were caught keeping multiple files on employees. We're able to schedule an appointment and go through our file to ensure that old stuff is purged. Last time I was able to see mine I was looking up some old military service credits; they keep just about everything related to your employment. I wasn't about to take the time to go through hundreds of PDFs looking for older disciplinary stuff. I asked for a copy of my application at my current department because it has the most complete detailed timeline of my previous employment I have ever put together and they won't give it to me. I have two write ups and one day suspension in my file. Which is funny to me. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:34:04 PM EDT
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My department's discipline in bold. On a side note, when an epically stupid traffic crash that is not quite bad enough to merit termination hits the news here, the Bourbon foot guys who ain't there for vehicular reasons get real hopeful, as it means one of them is about to get released from their incarceration there.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't even know if this guy should be allowed to drive a desk 
2005: Details unknown; written reprimand. No details, no comment. 2006: Backed up his cruiser into a parked car; written reprimand. Same punishment here, probably. 2007:Fell asleep at the wheel and hit a median, causing $1,207.82 in damages; reprimand unknown. Anything from 30 days and driver training to termination, depending on circumstances. 2008: Patrol car rear-ended vehicle that was clearing an intersection, causing $4,000 in damages; one-day suspension without pay and 60 days without a vehicle. Ignoring the one in '07 due to the variable, 10-30 days, driver training, two days, on the clock. 2009: Rear-ended a Ford SUV on westbound Gateway Boulevard, causing nearly $12,000 in damages; written reprimand. Again, ignoring '07, 45-120 days, driving training, two weeks, having to use vacation days or leave without pay, driving privileges revoked, minimum three year assignment to Bourbon Street foot patrol. 2011: Failed to report a crash until hours after it happened and once he had replaced the car's flat tires. Investigators believe Hegele attempted to respond to a robbery call and hit either a curb or a sidewalk that slashed two of his tires. The report said Hegele called to let dispatch know he was having issues with his vehicle and to put him out of service, but did not say what happened. Then, he called another deputy to bring him spare tires, went to a restaurant for dinner and then called a sergeant nearly two hours after the incident happened to report the damage. This one would be termination if it was the only one. On a side note, when an epically stupid traffic crash that is not quite bad enough to merit termination hits the news here, the Bourbon foot guys who ain't there for vehicular reasons get real hopeful, as it means one of them is about to get released from their incarceration there. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:35:12 PM EDT
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My thoughts as well. There's a voice in your amygdala that says, "Dude, if you fall asleep you die. You want to live. Do anything but fall asleep while moving." Who ignores that?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The falling asleep at the wheel one seems like the most serious fuckup, by far. Not knowing the circumstances of the other two rear-ending fuckups, that is. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:35:14 PM EDT
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I heard they performed well in testing. I haven't driven one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looked like one of those new Ford Taurus stretch. iirc AWD I haven't driven one. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:35:22 PM EDT
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Thanks for clarifying the car. Someone commented that road is 45mph. I'll absolutely concede 104 is ridiculous. I see no reason to go 104-0, thus my comment on tires and suspension. Swoop it wide, keep it in tight, car shouldn't have a problem. Dipshit old guy + cocky cop disobeying orders. Like I said, when idiots collide Not blaming the car. I love those interceptors, and have gotten away with things in them that a crown vic would have bitten me for, badly. And yes, agreed also on idiots colliding. I just blame one more than the other. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:37:00 PM EDT
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I heard they performed well in testing. I haven't driven one. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:38:23 PM EDT
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The cop was reckless by going that fast, however, that smart car driver is a fucking moron. Based on that dipshit maneuver alone I wouldn't convict. I cant tell you how many times fucking idiots like this pull in front of me as I approach at speed, instead of staying in the lane of least resistance. Fucking cunts. Good smash. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:43:17 PM EDT
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My thoughts as well. There's a voice in your amygdala that says, "Dude, if you fall asleep you die. You want to live. Do anything but fall asleep while moving." Who ignores that? Years ago we had a CLEO who was screwing with me because of my military service. He started making me come in after final formation. When the unit started extending my orders til 2359 hrs, he'd make me come in at 0001 hrs. I remember one month, coming in and driving around and being so tired after a long drill weekend that I couldn't remember my phonetic alphabet when I tried to make a stop. I found a dark corner to stay in for a while after that. You start working a ton of hours and your mind does weird things. Recently I'd been working a ton of hours and got sent to a call on one of our hillier areas in the early morning hours I got back in my car afterwards and started to drive away and realized that my glasses weren't on the dash where I normally throw them when I get out at a call; I'd tossed them on the hood instead. I see the glasses on the hood. Deviating from the norm will get you in trouble. So in the midst of thinking hey, I gotta get my glasses, I thought I threw the car into park, and so I started getting out. My first foot hit the ground and my tired brain says "that's funny, the ground is moving". It took another half second for my brain to connect that the car wasn't in park and that the car was rolling backwards, so I pulled myself back into the car and threw it into park. If I had completed getting out of the car, it would have gone on down the hill, maybe dragging me with it. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:44:36 PM EDT
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Smart car driver looked like he was all over the road. Cop sisnt look for the openong, he looked at the car and ran right into it. Accident avoidance 101, look where you want to go... |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:46:45 PM EDT
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For everyone stating that the old guy drifted into his lane, or didn't look before changing lanes, etc, think about this. What I could find was this was a 45mph speed limit road. At 45mph a car travels roughly 60ft/sec, or six car lengths. At 105mph a car travels 150ft/sec, or roughly 15 car lengths. According to the timestamps on the video from the moment the smart car started changing lanes to the moment of impact was 2sec. So from the moment you see the car start to change lanes to the moment of impact the cop traveled roughly 300ft or the distance of a football field. If I was the smart car doing 45mph and I checked out my rear view mirror and saw a car a football field behind me (assumingly) doing the speed limit too, I'd feel it was safe to get over into that lane too. On the other hand, the guy made a LEFT TURN from the median into the THIRD LANE from him, then kareened back to the second lane and was drifting into the first lane when he was hit. That's shitty, if not illegal driving anywhere. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:48:56 PM EDT
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I knew a snake eater who had 2 Smart cars. They're built rather good for accidents.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:51:23 PM EDT
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Pics in the article. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/15/16/4346857900000578-4792830-image-a-11_1502812200438.jpg |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:51:55 PM EDT
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A really tired person. Years ago we had a CLEO who was screwing with me because of my military service. He started making me come in after final formation. When the unit started extending my orders til 2359 hrs, he'd make me come in at 0001 hrs. I remember one month, coming in and driving around and being so tired after a long drill weekend that I couldn't remember my phonetic alphabet when I tried to make a stop. I found a dark corner to stay in for a while after that. You start working a ton of hours and your mind does weird things. Recently I'd been working a ton of hours and got sent to a call on one of our hillier areas in the early morning hours I got back in my car afterwards and started to drive away and realized that my glasses weren't on the dash where I normally throw them when I get out at a call; I'd tossed them on the hood instead. I see the glasses on the hood. Deviating from the norm will get you in trouble. So in the midst of thinking hey, I gotta get my glasses, I thought I threw the car into park, and so I started getting out. My first foot hit the ground and my tired brain says "that's funny, the ground is moving". It took another half second for my brain to connect that the car wasn't in park and that the car was rolling backwards, so I pulled myself back into the car and threw it into park. If I had completed getting out of the car, it would have gone on down the hill, maybe dragging me with it. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:54:49 PM EDT
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The cop was reckless by going that fast, however, that smart car driver is a fucking moron. Based on that dipshit maneuver alone I wouldn't convict. I cant tell you how many times fucking idiots like this pull in front of me as I approach at speed, instead of staying in the lane of least resistance. Fucking cunts. Good smash. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:59:22 PM EDT
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I can't believe the guy lived. Those things are so tiny I think I could actually street fighter them. Looks like nothing more than a go cart with body kit. I was expecting the car to be vaporized. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:59:29 PM EDT
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6 prior wrecks, told to stand down 3 times, and going 104 in a 45 with no lights or sirens.... |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:59:41 PM EDT
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You guys have to take care of yourselves. The most important person on scene is you, and you're jeopardizing your safety working that tired. A good chunk of that month has been double shifts. No choice in the matter, we have a bunch of people out, and shift minimums to meet. It's summer, which means we're super-busy. I know I over-did it; I went to work the other day and wound up going home sick half way through and sleeping for about 15 hours, which is unheard of for me. I had to really hold back from taking a shift today because I wanted this one day with absolutely nothing on the agenda except some errands this morning. I've said here many times to the people who say that law enforcement officer numbers should be cut in half that we are already working short-handed. Those people have no idea how thin the ranks are. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:01:00 PM EDT
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Lights/sirens not on, I assume? I watched the video without volume. He hit that car a ton. Due regard evidently isn't in the officers KSA's |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:03:50 PM EDT
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Say it again that 104 is above a cruisers (charger's?) capabilities. There is no magic skill that allows one driver to get more traction from a tire than another. Physics doesn't care what your name is. The skill part comes in being able to find the line between control and loss of traction and tap dance on it like Fred Astaire. Ayrton Senna couldn't have controlled that car with the speed and brake input that cop put into the car. Every single thing you do in a car is energy management. Acceleration, braking, turning - all of it. 
1/2mV^2 is a law just like gravity, and the amount of energy the cop would have had to manage successfully to miss that car at 75 mph would have been small enough to keep this out of the news. At 104 the car had 1.8629e+6 joules of energy. At 75 he'd have had 9.6880e+5 joules which is about 48% less energy to control in avoiding that smart car. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:05:47 PM EDT
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I am really impressed at how the smart car held up. That said, a large car with better crumple zones would have probably protected the driver better. More durable than a Silverado. Apples to oranges comparison I know, but its still a gnarly picture. 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:07:26 PM EDT
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to be fair that cop was going so fast for the smart car driver to react. He probably looked in his mirror and saw the cop a good ways behind him not realizing the retard was going over 100mph. That being said, unless the cop was responding, he was speeding like a MF'r and should never be a cop again, especially in light of how many TCs he has had. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:10:41 PM EDT
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The cop was reckless by going that fast, however, that smart car driver is a fucking moron. Based on that dipshit maneuver alone I wouldn't convict. I cant tell you how many times fucking idiots like this pull in front of me as I approach at speed, instead of staying in the lane of least resistance. Fucking cunts. Good smash. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:11:43 PM EDT
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I'll take "When Bad Drivers Collide" for $1000.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:12:40 PM EDT
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Way to fast. Good charge. Guess no lights or sirens? Old dude wasn't paying attention either. Went from middle lane to left lane without checking his mirrors.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:14:22 PM EDT
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Rather than type my own view I'll just repost yours. Perfect. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:20:34 PM EDT
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I heard they performed well in testing. I haven't driven one. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:23:38 PM EDT
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Wonder what the Smart car looked like after that smack in the ass? http://i.imgur.com/OjKTgww.jpg |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:27:30 PM EDT
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At that speed you've outrun your siren and lights are only visible to those looking. He hit that car a ton. Due regard evidently isn't in the officers KSA's 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:29:23 PM EDT
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Lol wat? So he had a jet engine and an Area 51 spec faster than light hyperdrive? If he outran his siren the sonic boom would alert drivers anyway |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:35:43 PM EDT
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LEO should have had lights and sirens on. Sirens for sure weren't on. Unable to tell if the lights where. Looked pretty bright out though, which makes overheads harder to see. That being said, with that traffic on the road, 104 is too damn fast. You can't get to a call fast enough if you wreck your squad. Anyone who has ever gone anywhere under lights and sirens should know that people don't always see you, in fact, most do not. They are not some invisible force that will allow you to drive in a fashion that exceeds the driver's or the vehicle's ability to make quick maneuvers or stop the squad safely. He forgot apparently all of that, or blatantly ignored it. If he also ignored three orders to stand down from supervisors, even worse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumbass. But based on video, smart Car got in his lane. Not sure I'd convict based on that video That being said, with that traffic on the road, 104 is too damn fast. You can't get to a call fast enough if you wreck your squad. Anyone who has ever gone anywhere under lights and sirens should know that people don't always see you, in fact, most do not. They are not some invisible force that will allow you to drive in a fashion that exceeds the driver's or the vehicle's ability to make quick maneuvers or stop the squad safely. He forgot apparently all of that, or blatantly ignored it. If he also ignored three orders to stand down from supervisors, even worse. Funny considering how many apologists tried to cover for the retard running 100mph down the street in the previous auto-ped thread. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:35:53 PM EDT
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that smart car had an idiot for a driver
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:41:16 PM EDT
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I am really impressed at how the smart car held up. That said, a large car with better crumple zones would have probably protected the driver better. here, let's take a mid-size sedan and offset crash with a smart car; you'll note that the smart car goes *backwards* during the accident. the impact didn't even break the windshield on the C300, and i bet that you could open the driver's side door no problem.  IIHS Crash Test Of Mercedes C300 Versus Smart ForTwo |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:41:21 PM EDT
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Wonder what the Smart car looked like after that smack in the ass? I guess we'll never know. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:53:09 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:09:03 PM EDT
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It's of my opinion that smart cars are so light that they move easily when hit, reducing the force of the impact. If that was a Prius or something a bit heavier I think there would be more injuries for both parties. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can't believe the guy lived. Those things are so tiny I think I could actually street fighter them. Looks like nothing more than a go cart with body kit. I was expecting the car to be vaporized. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:13:39 PM EDT
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Saw a smart car get T-boned by a trooper going 35 plus. Very little intrusion to the passenger compartment. More durable than a Silverado. Apples to oranges comparison I know, but its still a gnarly picture. http://i.imgur.com/Uw6W0IX.jpg 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:19:33 PM EDT
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No siren, driving like shit, then some ass wipe pulls out; wanting the middle lane,,,, nope left lane,,, well may-beee middle lane again
, Cop looks to fixate on his smart ass rather than commit left and blow siren.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:25:29 PM EDT
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Don't worry, the usual TBL suspects will be here soon to massage criminal cop's balls and defend him. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:39:41 PM EDT
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Dude should have stayed on the left and avoided the entire thing.
I would have ran off the road avoid hitting the car. Sounds like meter maid duty for the cop and old man is gonna get $100-200k plus medical expenses. He might get more if they prove his lights and siren wasn't on. No need to be rolling 104 mph, a radio is much faster. Glad both guys lived through it. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:41:11 PM EDT
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Pics in the article. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/15/16/4346857900000578-4792830-image-a-11_1502812200438.jpg |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:53:35 PM EDT
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It's of my opinion that smart cars are so light that they move easily when hit, reducing the force of the impact. If that was a Prius or something a bit heavier I think there would be more injuries for both parties. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:55:18 PM EDT
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Yep....think Ill do that right now...wasn't the cops fault stupid smart car shouldn't have been driving like that. 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:56:32 PM EDT
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fucking moron
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:58:07 PM EDT
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Lights/sirens not on, I assume? I watched the video without volume. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 4:58:51 PM EDT
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Or laugh at your dumb post.  |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:02:11 PM EDT
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to be fair that cop was going so fast for the smart car driver to react. He probably looked in his mirror and saw the cop a good ways behind him not realizing the retard was going over 100mph. Cop is a moron ..too fast for no purpose..he sucks, he will pay..with his job and possibly his pension |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:03:01 PM EDT
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Pics in the article. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/15/16/4346857900000578-4792830-image-a-11_1502812200438.jpg |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:04:05 PM EDT
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No need to be rolling 104 mph, a radio is much faster. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:05:05 PM EDT
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/15/16/4346856D00000578-4792830-image-a-12_1502812214096.jpg These boys get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in their pantsy. |
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