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Posted: 8/18/2017 12:59:08 PM EDT
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Some of this stuff runs in cycles, and there are plenty of countries with FALs in storage/use still that may export them as parts kits. Though...screw Bush II |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 1:00:00 PM EDT
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Not for me..... AR is best rifle. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 1:04:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:41:04 PM EDT
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FALs ftw!
The one on the left (A2 FH) is a Century that I paid $425 for from Cabelas last year, the one on the right (AAC FH) is an Imbel that I bought in the EE 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:46:36 PM EDT
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FALs are great
I shoot mine quite a bit 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:00:30 PM EDT
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Sorry, but no. They aren't 8 MOA rifles if they are built correctly. I have gotten ~2 MOA with surplus and less with handloads. I've built quite a few FALs over the years: Aussie, Brit, Argie, Imbel, Rhodie... none of them were as inaccurate as you describe. I prefer the AR-10 but your statement is absolutely false. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:02:01 PM EDT
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Some of this stuff runs in cycles, and there are plenty of countries with FALs in storage/use still that may export them as parts kits. Though...screw Bush II |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:23:23 PM EDT
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Because Bush II did what? |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:26:16 PM EDT
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Banned importation of barrels, making kits relatively worthless. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:27:28 PM EDT
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Banned importation of barrels, making kits relatively worthless. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:28:19 PM EDT
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All American FAL. The only surplus parts are the gas piston tube and the bolt assembly, every thing else is US.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:32:38 PM EDT
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I Still have 2 They are 8 MOA rifles at best with surplus. About 4 MOA with handloads. They were only popular in the 90~2000's because they were far cheaper than buying a M1A or HK91. People that think they are great rifles are idiots. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:34:11 PM EDT
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What's the story on the DSA receivers? 15+ years ago they were kind of the gold standard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... The only question is where people will get receiver now. ..... DSA's are supposed to be iffy ..... |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:36:24 PM EDT
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Anybody remember "Ole' Dirty" from the FAL Files?
That shit was impressive. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:45:38 PM EDT
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Congratulations for writing one of the dumbest posts I've read in a long time. 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 5:47:11 PM EDT
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Not sure that was really Bush's fault. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of this stuff runs in cycles, and there are plenty of countries with FALs in storage/use still that may export them as parts kits. Though...screw Bush II I'm slacking over here: only five FAL's in my safe. 
Ol' Dirty's still going. It's owner just hasn't had time to regularly update the round count, which is admittedly less with the cost of 7.62 NATO these days. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:40:02 PM EDT
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The import ban sure was his doing. Republicans have hurt our rights just as much as the Demonrats. I'm slacking over here: only five FAL's in my safe.
Ol' Dirty's still going. It's owner just hasn't had time to regularly update the round count, which is admittedly less with the cost of 7.62 NATO these days. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:43:52 PM EDT
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Err, the "non sporting" barrels and receivers were banned from import by a reinterpretation of existing law during Bush II's term... |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:56:59 PM EDT
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Anybody remember "Ole' Dirty" from the FAL Files? That shit was impressive. I have always cleaned mine, nice to know it will work without cleaning. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 7:14:17 PM EDT
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Not sure that was really Bush's fault. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 9:24:40 PM EDT
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I got one, mine is so old it has the Aussie wood furniture and the barrel was neutered because of the AWB. Been meaning to have it threaded and just never got around to it. I don't think I've shot it in a decade. Oh, and I bought a half dozen of the SA battle packs at the same time. I think they were $28 each. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 9:26:30 PM EDT
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Heavy rifles with shitty ergos built for people with gorilla arms. I had a IMBEL and sold it. Never looked back. That bipod is nice, though |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 9:33:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYeah yeah, but you seem to have more money than God for this sort of thing....or at least his line of credit..
I would too, just have fuck all for places to shoot .308 |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 9:35:54 PM EDT
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I Still have 2 They are 8 MOA rifles at best with surplus. About 4 MOA with handloads. They were only popular in the 90~2000's because they were far cheaper than buying a M1A or HK91. People that think they are great rifles are idiots. 
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Posted: 8/18/2017 9:39:12 PM EDT
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No he didn't. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 9:42:30 PM EDT
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Congratulations for writing one of the dumbest posts I've read in a long time. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 9:49:34 PM EDT
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The wolf would have to be at the door beating hard before I part with this one.
It's just a CAI (all inch, no uni-brow) and it just flat works. Easy 1.50-75" MOA rifle w/SA fodder even with my old eyes. I have two .50 cal cans full of 20 round inch mags and even a couple of 30s.....Damn those things are heavy when you load them out. 
I also have a DSA Stg-58 and I'd part with it first. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 9:58:46 PM EDT
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I Still have 2 They are 8 MOA rifles at best with surplus. About 4 MOA with handloads. They were only popular in the 90~2000's because they were far cheaper than buying a M1A or HK91. People that think they are great rifles are idiots. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:07:20 AM EDT
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Yes he did. Any barrel ever mounted on a machine gun was no longer importable. FALs are select fire guns... |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 4:55:17 AM EDT
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I love my Israeli heavy barrel. There are guns and kits you just have to look. And yeah, no one is making a decent receiver currently.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:09:41 PM EDT
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I love my Israeli heavy barrel. There are guns and kits you just have to look. And yeah, no one is making a decent receiver currently. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333717/IMG-0785-190094.jpg |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:19:28 PM EDT
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I love my Israeli heavy barrel. There are guns and kits you just have to look. And yeah, no one is making a decent receiver currently. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333717/IMG-0785-190094.jpg 
I had one built on a Century receiver but sold it 6 years ago to buy 2 more suppressors, I love the cans but should've kept that rifle. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:20:51 PM EDT
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I Still have 2 They are 8 MOA rifles at best with surplus. About 4 MOA with handloads. They were only popular in the 90~2000's because they were far cheaper than buying a M1A or HK91. People that think they are great rifles are idiots.  As opposed to surface grinding mine to a precision angle that matches the precision angle ground on the bolt, with the bolt face cleaned up to 90* with the bore. I can assure you they are capable of far better than what you say. I've done it multiple times.
I'm sure they are a piece of shit which is why they've been used by over 90 countries. 
They're popular because they're reliable, ergonomic, accurate enough, durable, and fun to shoot. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:24:54 PM EDT
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The ATF and the president are not the same thing. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:31:06 PM EDT
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I Still have 2 They are 8 MOA rifles at best with surplus. About 4 MOA with handloads. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I Still have 2 They are 8 MOA rifles at best with surplus. About 4 MOA with handloads. They were only popular in the 90~2000's because they were far cheaper than buying a M1A or HK91. People that think they are great rifles are idiots. I am sure that you know way more than they do. Bottom line is, unless you own a SAR 48, and FN made gun or one of the early imported Lithgow or Israeli imports, you do not have a "real" FAL. You have a FAL that was built from a parts kit by who knows who, who may or may not have a clue as to what they are doing. Some of these are good rifles, and some are not. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:39:11 PM EDT
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He was their boss, he is ultimately responsible for their actions. Also, a barrel is not "head spaced" in a FAL. Any time you put any barrel on a receiver you have to check the head space and install the correct sized locking shoulder. This included builds using all matching kits because the receiver is not the same one the rifle was originally built with, that one got torch cut. You need to check it and potentially change it even with a bolt swap. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:41:28 PM EDT
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What was the price of kit with matching head spaced barrel? What was the price of a kit without said barrel? |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:43:46 PM EDT
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Maybe the ones put together by non gunsmiths. Refer to the filing of the locking shoulder to achieve headspace in this thread. As opposed to surface grinding mine to a precision angle that matches the precision angle ground on the bolt, with the bolt face cleaned up to 90* with the bore. I can assure you they are capable of far better than what you say. I've done it multiple times.
I'm sure they are a piece of shit which is why they've been used by over 90 countries.
They're popular because they're reliable, ergonomic, accurate enough, durable, and fun to shoot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I Still have 2 They are 8 MOA rifles at best with surplus. About 4 MOA with handloads. They were only popular in the 90~2000's because they were far cheaper than buying a M1A or HK91. People that think they are great rifles are idiots. As opposed to surface grinding mine to a precision angle that matches the precision angle ground on the bolt, with the bolt face cleaned up to 90* with the bore. I can assure you they are capable of far better than what you say. I've done it multiple times.
I'm sure they are a piece of shit which is why they've been used by over 90 countries.
They're popular because they're reliable, ergonomic, accurate enough, durable, and fun to shoot. Yup, 90 countries adopted the FAL and we took the M14. They must be terrible. 
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:44:23 PM EDT
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The president is not the boss of the ATF, FBI, DEA, or any of that shit. If you are upset about it, blame everyone involved in the 68 GCA. They are just using a correct interpretation of that turd, whereas they were ignoring that part of it before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He was their boss, he is ultimately responsible for their actions. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:44:55 PM EDT
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If this is your experience, then you are either a terrible shooter or have a really bad parts gun. In an word, no. Real FN made FALs are about the same price as real HK made guns, and are more expensive than M1As. Then I guess all of the 93 countries who adopted it as a standard rifle, as well as those who still use it today are idiots. I am sure that you know way more than they do. Bottom line is, unless you own a SAR 48, and FN made gun or one of the early imported Lithgow or Israeli imports, you do not have a "real" FAL. You have a FAL that was built from a parts kit by who knows who, who may or may not have a clue as to what they are doing. Some of these are good rifles, and some are not. Just because you have some tools doesn't mean you're a gunsmith.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:47:29 PM EDT
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This rifle was brought into the shop because it was "Not quite right when we shot it". (yes. That's light coming through the hole where the locking shoulder is supposed to be. ) Just because you have some tools doesn't mean you're a gunsmith. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/206831/IMG_20150824_132303272-284421.JPG |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:52:20 PM EDT
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The import ban sure was his doing. Republicans have hurt our rights just as much as the Demonrats. I'm slacking over here: only five FAL's in my safe.
Ol' Dirty's still going. It's owner just hasn't had time to regularly update the round count, which is admittedly less with the cost of 7.62 NATO these days. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:55:53 PM EDT
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"the right arm of the free world" wasn't a good rifle? I believe that at one point they were issued to more armies in the world than anything else. What makes them so bad? I think they are a great rifle, especially compared to the other rifles around when it came out (50's, iirc). Today the ar-10 type rifles make much more sense, but that doesn't make the FAL any less effective than it's ever been. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This. And they are not a good rifle. It's amazing that so many were made. Unless you can find one for dirt cheap, stay away. I think they are a great rifle, especially compared to the other rifles around when it came out (50's, iirc). Today the ar-10 type rifles make much more sense, but that doesn't make the FAL any less effective than it's ever been. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:56:55 PM EDT
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I have two left. Sold the rest. A few were built on Coonan's and I never had any trouble with them. Maybe I got lucky. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:15:33 PM EDT
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Then I guess all of the 93 countries who adopted it as a standard rifle, as well as those who still use it today are idiots. I am sure that you know way more than they do. Bottom line is, unless you own a SAR 48, and FN made gun or one of the early imported Lithgow or Israeli imports, you do not have a "real" FAL. You have a FAL that was built from a parts kit by who knows who, who may or may not have a clue as to what they are doing. Some of these are good rifles, and some are not. As for the second part, it's the same tripe we hear from the AK crowd about how American made AKs (even when every part but the receiver is foreign) is not a real AK. It's a bullshit excuse to cover for the shortcomings of the weapon. The FAL was a great weapon for when it was developed. It is obsolescent in the face of modern 7.62x51 weapon systems. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:19:14 PM EDT
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DSA has a sale going on now.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:22:06 PM EDT
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Name me a country that still issues the FAL? As for the second part, it's the same tripe we hear from the AK crowd about how American made AKs (even when every part but the receiver is foreign) is not a real AK. It's a bullshit excuse to cover for the shortcomings of the weapon. The FAL was a great weapon for when it was developed. It is obsolescent in the face of modern 7.62x51 weapon systems. It'll do the job just fine. If I need to put holes into another person really quick, there's not a spits worth of difference between these two rifles (except for the optics). Or between the pistols, for that matter.  Attached FileThe feeling of needing the latest and greatest to be able to take care of a job doesn't make it true. Also, don't get hung up on what a military needs. That has nothing to do with what will serve an individual citizen well. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:23:46 PM EDT
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not as good as in some ways =/= obsolete K It'll do the job just fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Name me a country that still issues the FAL? As for the second part, it's the same tripe we hear from the AK crowd about how American made AKs (even when every part but the receiver is foreign) is not a real AK. It's a bullshit excuse to cover for the shortcomings of the weapon. The FAL was a great weapon for when it was developed. It is obsolescent in the face of modern 7.62x51 weapon systems. K It'll do the job just fine. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 2:34:22 PM EDT
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Name me a country that still issues the FAL? an issued weapon for front line troops. You assumed that. I said they were in use. I did not specify what that use was. The FN was and still is a sound weapon design, and works just as well today as it did in the 1950s up until the 1980s. I could care less if they are still in use by a military or not. The rifles still perform just fine. As for the second part, it's the same tripe we hear from the AK crowd about how American made AKs (even when every part but the receiver is foreign) is not a real AK. It's a bullshit excuse to cover for the shortcomings of the weapon.
The FAL was a great weapon for when it was developed. It is obsolescent in the face of modern 7.62x51 weapon systems. true nonetheless. It is not the fault of the weapons system if it is built improperly by someone who has no clue what they are doing, with out of spec or worn out parts. The same is true with the US made AKs which you describe. Not to mention the old Norinco M1As that were around for a while that no one likes to talk about. A good design with shitty execution which resulted in a piss poor end product. The FN may be an old design, and you may feel that it is obsolete by today's standards. I do admit that it is not as "refined" as some more modern designs, however it still works just as well today as it did then, (if it is a quality rifle to begin with), and will most likely continue to do so well into the future. It may not be a match rifle, but the accuracy one can acheive from one will surprise most, and if I am going into harm's way, I would not feel undergunned with one if it were all I had or was given. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 3:28:20 PM EDT
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Yeah, but I like old milsurps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not for me..... AR is best rifle. |
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