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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:03:25 PM EDT
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It's like adult diapers. It Depends.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:05:04 PM EDT
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Not truly phased out, but the semi's of today have a lot going for them. Thing is, are you that great of a shooter (reloader) to work every ounce out of that bolt gun? Or is that bolt gun really that much more accurate than any of the "precision" semi-autos out there?
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:06:52 PM EDT
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If I was a sniper I'm pretty sure I'd want shinny brass flying everywhere.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:08:10 PM EDT
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If I was a sniper I'm pretty sure I'd want shinny brass flying everywhere. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:08:13 PM EDT
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Maybe they will stay on the field until the next great advancement in firearms... The plasma rifle in the 40 watt range maybe?
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:15:53 PM EDT
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If I was a sniper I'm pretty sure I'd want shinny brass flying everywhere. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:20:10 PM EDT
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They have a place for ELR and precision within normal ranges.
The SR25 has closed the gap between performance of the M24 and M14, to the point that most units stopped going outside the wire with M24s or M40s, unless in a full Sniper section with belt-fed support. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:22:24 PM EDT
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What part of One Shot, One Kill is tripping you up?
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:23:23 PM EDT
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It will still has its place.
We have some ammo whch isn't even compatible with auto-loaders.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:25:11 PM EDT
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No, and in before
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:26:30 PM EDT
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So long as the metal case cartridge remains supreme, yes, it will still be used. Remember, if not by first line armed forces, then by insurgents. The psychological impact is still there.
BTW, the Company of Military Historians has published my article, The Effectiveness of Civil War Sharpshooting, with this current issue. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:30:01 PM EDT
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Not truly phased out, but the semi's of today have a lot going for them. Thing is, are you that great of a shooter (reloader) to work every ounce out of that bolt gun? Or is that bolt gun really that much more accurate than any of the "precision" semi-autos out there? IMO, for a given number of dollars or for a given shooting ability, the bolt gun will be more accurate than the semi-auto. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:33:02 PM EDT
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guided/smart rounds will one day make up any differences in accuracy between the two...
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:36:44 PM EDT
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It will still has its place. We have some ammo whch isn't even compatible with auto-loaders. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:40:51 PM EDT
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It will still has its place. We have some ammo whch isn't even compatible with auto-loaders.
Remington 788 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:52:27 PM EDT
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Gas control could answer that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I was a sniper I'm pretty sure I'd want shinny brass flying everywhere. But at least you could turn the gas back on when needed. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:12:39 PM EDT
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Which essentially turns a semi-auto into a bolt gun. But at least you could turn the gas back on when needed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I was a sniper I'm pretty sure I'd want shinny brass flying everywhere. But at least you could turn the gas back on when needed. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:13:53 PM EDT
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Bolt guns not going anywhere until caseless ammo is a thing.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:16:34 PM EDT
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If I was a sniper I'm pretty sure I'd want shinny brass flying everywhere. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:25:48 PM EDT
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What part of One Shot, One Kill is tripping you up? I have put THOUSANDS of rounds through M24s and M110s and actual 1 shot, 1 kills are mostly in movies. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:27:39 PM EDT
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Gas control could answer that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I was a sniper I'm pretty sure I'd want shinny brass flying everywhere. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:28:29 PM EDT
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What part of One Shot, One Kill is tripping you up?
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:29:32 PM EDT
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So long as the metal case cartridge remains supreme, yes, it will still be used. Remember, if not by first line armed forces, then by insurgents. The psychological impact is still there. BTW, the Company of Military Historians has published my article, The Effectiveness of Civil War Sharpshooting, with this current issue. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:29:47 PM EDT
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What part of One Shot, One Kill is tripping you up? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:31:19 PM EDT
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Pretty sure those .300 WMs, .338 LMs, and .50 BMGs are still more reliable in bolt action platforms. Plus, at those ranges, is a semi needed?
Semi 7.62x51s offer great advantage in smaller units, confined urban areas, and roles where a SDM/SPR is needed, but for a 1,200 yard shot, what's wrong with a bolt action? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:33:14 PM EDT
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Lock-time.
And you'll find a lot of guys will want to carry the autoloaders until qual time rolls around. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:34:15 PM EDT
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Can brass not be blackened or made olive drab? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I was a sniper I'm pretty sure I'd want shinny brass flying everywhere. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:39:43 PM EDT
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Pretty sure those .300 WMs, .338 LMs, and .50 BMGs are still more reliable in bolt action platforms. Plus, at those ranges, is a semi needed? Semi 7.62x51s offer great advantage in smaller units, confined urban areas, and roles where a SDM/SPR is needed, but for a 1,200 yard shot, what's wrong with a bolt action? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:40:43 PM EDT
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I kinda like three shots, three kills..... |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:45:54 PM EDT
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What part of One Shot, One Kill is tripping you up? With a gasser, you can fight and produce many kills in a short period of time, from the same enemy section, especially with 2 shooters, instead of one shooter and a spotter. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:47:20 PM EDT
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What semi-auto rifles are even available in .300 WinMag or .338 Lapua magnum? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty sure those .300 WMs, .338 LMs, and .50 BMGs are still more reliable in bolt action platforms. Plus, at those ranges, is a semi needed? Semi 7.62x51s offer great advantage in smaller units, confined urban areas, and roles where a SDM/SPR is needed, but for a 1,200 yard shot, what's wrong with a bolt action? Barrett has you covered with semi .416 Barrett and .50 BMG if you need more cowbell. The reliability of the Nemo and Petra has not been vetted AFAIK. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:55:13 PM EDT
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Yes. Everything gets phased out eventually. It's just a matter of time.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:55:47 PM EDT
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1 shot, two kills is best. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:00:13 PM EDT
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Scout Rifle is what you seek
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:01:28 PM EDT
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Aren't the majority of engagements for military snipers such that there is time to operate a bolt? OTOH, many of the newer gas guns are showing superb accuracy, and now there are even gas guns using rounds like the 339 Lapua, 300 Win mag, and the 50BMG has been around for quite a while in gas guns.
My guess is that the military will end up using what is effective, and cost effective. If someone came up with a gas gun costing half the price of a bolt gun, and had the accuracy and range of the bolt gun, why wouldn't the military change to it once the existing stores of weapons are worn out? it is doubtful there will be much change until existing stuff is worn out, or severely outdated by newer, better technology. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:10:12 PM EDT
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What part of One Shot, One Kill is tripping you up? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:11:33 PM EDT
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It may come as a shocker to some but most bolt actions hold more than one round and it is possible to run them relatively fast.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:14:23 PM EDT
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If you're a sniper and someone can see your "shiny brass," you have larger problems.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:14:26 PM EDT
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Of course not. The true sniper is not just a precision shooter. He's also an intelligence gathering tool and the forward eyes of the commander.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:26:03 PM EDT
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Bolt guns not going anywhere until caseless ammo is a thing. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:09:34 PM EDT
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hw close is the m110 to totally replacing the m24? Why hasn't the USMC abandoned the m40? I love my bolt actions, more than my AR, but they feel dated I guess.... Like many have said, I can get almost the same accuracy out of various ar platforms...
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:11:32 PM EDT
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What semi-auto rifles are even available in .300 WinMag or .338 Lapua magnum? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty sure those .300 WMs, .338 LMs, and .50 BMGs are still more reliable in bolt action platforms. Plus, at those ranges, is a semi needed? Semi 7.62x51s offer great advantage in smaller units, confined urban areas, and roles where a SDM/SPR is needed, but for a 1,200 yard shot, what's wrong with a bolt action? 
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Posted: 7/21/2017 1:14:20 PM EDT
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It will still has its place. We have some ammo whch isn't even compatible with auto-loaders. 
7,62 mm sk ptr 10 prick |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 1:16:57 PM EDT
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If you're a sniper and someone can see your "shiny brass," you have larger problems. Or maybe they have a general area of where you are but can't pinpoint you..... |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 1:20:53 PM EDT
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Its likely to be around for a long time to come.
You can make absurdly accurate semis and absurdly accurate bolts. The cost of the bolt, all other things being equal, will be less. My "precision" rifle is a bolt gun simply because it was way cheaper to get to 1/2 MOA accuracy with a bolt than with a semi. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 1:23:42 PM EDT
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What semi-auto rifles are even available in .300 WinMag or .338 Lapua magnum? |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 1:25:46 PM EDT
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If I was a sniper I'm pretty sure I'd want shinny brass flying everywhere. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 1:27:50 PM EDT
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If I was a sniper I'm pretty sure I'd want shinny brass flying everywhere. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 1:34:57 PM EDT
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I imagine the movement associated with operating a bolt is more noticeable than the brass being ejected by a rifle. With a gas gun you eliminate the movement associated with operating the bolt. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 1:46:21 PM EDT
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What semi-auto rifles are even available in .300 WinMag or .338 Lapua magnum? .338 - Barrett rifles |
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