Robert O’Neill settles Shotgun VS AR for HD.

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Posted: 7/18/2017 6:10:08 PM EDT

He was on Stern today and when asked what he had setup for HD he said

"It's like a bounding movement towards the door where the shotgun is by the bed, the pistol is here then above the washer"

Stern interrupts asking what kind of Shotgun a Benelli?

O'Neill: I have a mossberg pump, I like Benelli I may have to get one.

Stern asks if he's worried about over penetration with a 12Ga?

O'Neill laughing: No, I'm real good about muzzle discipline.

O'Neill has a legitimate reason to believe his life is in danger from a whole fucking religion and he chooses a shotgun first but hey you #nevershotgunners keep ranting.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:13:54 PM EDT

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It's his funeral.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:13:56 PM EDT

[#2]

Sorry, he lost me at Bellini...

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:17:09 PM EDT

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This thread won't take a turn for the autistic at all. Guaranteed.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:18:40 PM EDT

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The thread started well past autistic, it's full blown retarded to begin with.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:20:47 PM EDT

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IDK, its kinda hard to argue with a real life been there, done that guy

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:21:17 PM EDT

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What does he know? Amateur...

Now if he said a .22 with silencer or a Walter PPK in .32, then I would take notice.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:26:16 PM EDT

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IDK, its kinda hard to argue with a real life been there, done that guy

Yet people on ARFCOM do it all the time, in threads just like this.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:28:23 PM EDT

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Shotguns are fine, if you have a very good setup

Ie a long hallway with a lot of advanced notice.

Shotguns are also less-loud than a 5.56 indoors

Still a carbine is more versitile and easier to use.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:30:48 PM EDT

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That's why I chose this for my first GD thread

I mean the dude that killed Usama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden agrees with me

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:34:22 PM EDT

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Shotguns> carbines

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:39:09 PM EDT

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I wonder why the SEALS sent him in to do the job with such an inferior weapon. Maybe they hated him...if they valued him they would have given him a shotgun for that detail.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:40:28 PM EDT

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At 3:00 a.m. when my door gets kicked in, any gun in my hands is better than nothing...

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:43:28 PM EDT

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He's a SEAL. 1. He's driven to stack the odds against himself purely for the challenge. 2. He knows it'll make a better story if five guys with AKs show up and he can coolly state he killed them all with a pump shotgun before offering the cops freshly brewed coffee. He probably considered a side by side but his better judgement won out.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:44:17 PM EDT

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I wonder why the SEALS sent him in to do the job with such an inferior weapon. Maybe they hated him...if they valued him they would have given him a shotgun for that detail.

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Flying into a foreign country to kill a guy then faced with the possibility of having to fight his way out of said country isn't exactly the same as HD

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:48:11 PM EDT

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GD has Nutnfancy and YouTube videos and their emotional
Investment in muh tactical training and muh tactical gear

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:50:25 PM EDT

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I'm an AR guy for HD. But I still have a "fighting shotgun" ready as a backup. Yet I have a buddy who has citations for killing a number of haj with his M4 and now as a civilian he won't own a AR. He has a bunch of shotguns that he keeps ready. And the shotgun is one of the few weapons he never used to kill the enemy. Blows my mind.

He smoked a dude at 10ft with his M4 on a skt, but still is all about the shotgun.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:50:56 PM EDT

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20 gauge Benelli.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:52:40 PM EDT

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Well it's a good thing Osama didn't have a shotgun or would have been in trouble.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:53:20 PM EDT

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How does that settle anything?

Use what you are most comfortable with to defend your house, while keeping in mind things such as penetration, capacity, etc.

Fuck Shotguns(IMO), I'll stick with a Suppressed 11.5" with Surefire Mini Scout and a red dot.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:57:01 PM EDT

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Anybody saying that a shotgun is inadequate for HD is a fool.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:58:11 PM EDT

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Birds everywhere.

Posted: 7/18/2017 6:59:05 PM EDT

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In before rustedace

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:02:46 PM EDT

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Who?

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:03:13 PM EDT

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O'Neill has a legitimate reason to believe his life is in danger from a whole fucking religion and he chooses a shotgun first but hey you #nevershotgunners keep ranting.

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So, he tells the world his HD setup plus their locations and you believe him?

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:03:22 PM EDT

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While I agree with him, what does muzzle discipline have to do with over penetration?

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:07:54 PM EDT

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How does that settle anything?

Use what you are most comfortable with to defend your house, while keeping in mind things such as penetration, capacity, etc.

Fuck Shotguns(IMO), I'll stick with a Suppressed 11.5" with Surefire Mini Scout and a red dot.

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why do you hate your ears so much? Those things suck.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:08:40 PM EDT

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Let's see:

Ridiculously low capacity
Insanely slow one round at a time reloads (in tube guns).
Heavy
Excessive recoil
Low rate of fire (pump guns)
Unwieldy
Can be easily short stoked under pressure (pump guns)
Requires both hands to cycle the action reliably (pump guns)
Inaccurate and very short ranged
Spread may send pellets were you don't want them
Just as much over penetration as a pistol or a rifle if using any rounds suitable for home defense.

Shotguns would have been fantastic for home defense 100 years ago, but better technology is available today.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:08:58 PM EDT

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IDK, its kinda hard to argue with a real life been there, done that guy

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Some SEAL on m4carbine said to shoot burglars with birdshot . Guessing they don't use shotguns in fights much.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:09:11 PM EDT

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The hell does a flashlight have to do with his ears?

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:09:30 PM EDT

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So, he tells the world his HD setup plus their locations and you believe him?

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He said the feds helped him relocate, didn't say witness protection or anything in detail but kinda seemed like something like that.

He also said something like the next person he will kill will be in his house.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:09:51 PM EDT

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Stern as in...

...Howard?

I had no idea he talked about stuff like that on his show.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:10:03 PM EDT

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so he chooses a shotgun for HD, but yet when he was going to face people that were armed, defending their home, he chose what?

just seeing a slight disconnect...

not arguing the merits of either, though I am in the AR camp.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:10:23 PM EDT

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#NotMySEAL

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:10:50 PM EDT

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The can is a full size surefire though, until I get a KAC QCD CQB

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:10:53 PM EDT

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Shotguns draw stupidity on the internet like poo draws flies

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:11:01 PM EDT

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so he chooses a shotgun for HD, but yet when he was going to face people that were armed, defending their home, he chose what?

just seeing a slight disconnect...

not arguing the merits of either, though I am in the AR camp.

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I think if you did a poll of the entire membership, most of us would be in the AR camp.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:11:53 PM EDT

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He said the feds helped him relocate, didn't say witness protection or anything in detail but kinda seemed like something like that.

He also said something like the next person he will kill will be in his house.

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Wonder if he would need to 'relocate' if he had kept his mouth shut?

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:12:42 PM EDT

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Lol what does he know

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:13:12 PM EDT

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Let's see:

Ridiculously low capacity
Insanely slow one round at a time reloads (in tube guns).
Heavy
Excessive recoil
Unwieldy
Can be easily short stoked under pressure (pump guns)
Requires both hands to cycle the action reliably (pump guns)
Inaccurate and very short ranged
Spread may send pellets were you don't want them
Just as much over penetration as a pistol or a rifle if using any rounds suitable for home defense.

Shotguns would have been fantastic for home defense 100 years ago, but better technology is available today.

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But mostly it's hard to look like an Opr8r when you post a dozen pics of your HD kit when you've got an 870 instead of a MK18A28 Mod 1186.8 sitting on a pile of the worlds cleanest multicam gear.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:13:18 PM EDT

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The can is a full size surefire though, until I get a KAC QCD CQB

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why do you hate your ears so much? Those things suck.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/surefire_m300v_b_z68_bk_m300v_ir_mini_scout_1205729.jpg

The can is a full size surefire though, until I get a KAC QCD CQB

Ah, my bad, reading failure on my part. Anyhow, if you could somehow attach that empty flashlight tube to the end of your muzzle, it would still be quieter than a surefire mini can.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:14:19 PM EDT

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While I agree with him, what does muzzle discipline have to do with over penetration?

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I questioned that myself but the way he was laughing I took it as... he didn't feel that was a concern kinda like "I'm not going to be shooting like a fool and missing".

But that's just my opinion, IDK.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:15:27 PM EDT

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Ah, my bad, reading failure on my part. Anyhow, if you could somehow attach that empty flashlight tube to the end of your muzzle, it would still be quieter than a surefire mini can.

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Lol, never hated the Mini too much(the Socom variant was an improvement over the legacy), but the Mini4 was always better sounding.

KAC CQB can is hands down the best short can I've ever played with.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:16:21 PM EDT

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...says one guy.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:16:35 PM EDT

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Stern as in...

...Howard?

I had no idea he talked about stuff like that on his show.

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Last few months he has been talking guns a few times, he said he has been hanging with some seals and FBI guys but hasn't gone into detail

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:17:43 PM EDT

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Lol, never hated the Mini too much(the Socom variant was an improvement over the legacy), but the Mini4 was always better sounding.

KAC CQB can is hands down the best short can I've ever played with.

https://www.silencershop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/960x/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/k/a/kac_qdc_combo_blk_1200x800_1_1.jpg

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Ah, my bad, reading failure on my part. Anyhow, if you could somehow attach that empty flashlight tube to the end of your muzzle, it would still be quieter than a surefire mini can.

Lol, never hated the Mini too much(the Socom variant was an improvement over the legacy), but the Mini4 was always better sounding.

KAC CQB can is hands down the best short can I've ever played with.

https://www.silencershop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/960x/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/k/a/kac_qdc_combo_blk_1200x800_1_1.jpg

nice, I'd be curious to see how those stack up to others.

Posted: 7/18/2017 7:18:37 PM EDT

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So, he tells the world his HD setup plus their locations and you believe him?

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O'Neill has a legitimate reason to believe his life is in danger from a whole fucking religion and he chooses a shotgun first but hey you #nevershotgunners keep ranting.

So, he tells the world his HD setup plus their locations and you believe him?

Some people crave attention & praise.