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A member here has a good story about him and his wife seeing BF while driving. He's a ex NFL guy, can't remember his username.
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A member here has a good story about him and his wife seeing BF while driving. He's a ex NFL guy, can't remember his username. View Quote There's actually a few members here that have had encounters or heard vocals that were unexplainable . Most were outdoorsman that have heard elk , owls , cats , birds , moose , bears , hogs before . I wish I had a good story but mine can be explained by my mind I believe playing tricks on me in a stand while bear hunting over bait. |
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There's actually an over abundance of scientific evidence that they do exist . Most people that say there's no scientific evidence have never spent time researching it. View Quote As a young boy seeing the Patterson film for the first time in the early 70's I was hooked on the idea of Bigfoot. I read all I could on the subject and on the Loch Ness monster. I understood that since cameras were rare and not always easy to operate that real footage or photos would be hard to get. The early 90's brought about easy access to the internet, and thus information. Or mis-information. More and more sightings, even close to my home in East Texas. That is when I started to really search hard. Going to the areas of sightings and talking to people brought no information. Plenty of laughter though. I had hunted these same properties for deer for years, and never seen anything more exotic than a Bobcat. Then the cell phone/camera/trailcam age began. I knew that within a few years there would be definitive proof that Bigfoot existed. Nope. In the last 20 years we have captured photos of Jaguars, Jaguarundi, Ocelots, mangy bears, Cougar where they shouldn't be. The list is large. These are critters that are extremely rare to see, yet we have photos of them all. Physical evidence? I can take you out in the woods here in East Texas and find bones pretty quick. Every fence has deer and hog hair on it. Tracks are everywhere. Droppings last for quite some time especially during the summer when it dries out quickly. Has there EVER been any of that found for Bigfoot? Nope. And yes, we can know if something exist or not. Especially in North America. We know for a fact that Wooly Mammoth and Mastodon existed here. We have physical evidence of their remains. We also know they do NOT exist any more. Bigfoot has ZERO fossil record in NA and zero evidence of its existence now. No DNA, no hair, no definitive tracks, no remains, no scat and no photographs. Bigfoot doesn't exist. |
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Sorry, I usually enjoy and agree with your post. But this is utter bullshit. As a young boy seeing the Patterson film for the first time in the early 70's I was hooked on the idea of Bigfoot. I read all I could on the subject and on the Loch Ness monster. I understood that since cameras were rare and not always easy to operate that real footage or photos would be hard to get. The early 90's brought about easy access to the internet, and thus information. Or mis-information. More and more sightings, even close to my home in East Texas. That is when I started to really search hard. Going to the areas of sightings and talking to people brought no information. Plenty of laughter though. I had hunted these same properties for deer for years, and never seen anything more exotic than a Bobcat. Then the cell phone/camera/trailcam age began. I knew that within a few years there would be definitive proof that Bigfoot existed. Nope. In the last 20 years we have captured photos of Jaguars, Jaguarundi, Ocelots, mangy bears, Cougar where they shouldn't be. The list is large. These are critters that are extremely rare to see, yet we have photos of them all. Physical evidence? I can take you out in the woods here in East Texas and find bones pretty quick. Every fence has deer and hog hair on it. Tracks are everywhere. Droppings last for quite some time especially during the summer when it dries out quickly. Has there EVER been any of that found for Bigfoot? Nope. And yes, we can know if something exist or not. Especially in North America. We know for a fact that Wooly Mammoth and Mastodon existed here. We have physical evidence of their remains. We also know they do NOT exist any more. Bigfoot has ZERO fossil record in NA and zero evidence of its existence now. No DNA, no hair, no definitive tracks, no remains, no scat and no photographs. Bigfoot doesn't exist. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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There's actually an over abundance of scientific evidence that they do exist . Most people that say there's no scientific evidence have never spent time researching it. As a young boy seeing the Patterson film for the first time in the early 70's I was hooked on the idea of Bigfoot. I read all I could on the subject and on the Loch Ness monster. I understood that since cameras were rare and not always easy to operate that real footage or photos would be hard to get. The early 90's brought about easy access to the internet, and thus information. Or mis-information. More and more sightings, even close to my home in East Texas. That is when I started to really search hard. Going to the areas of sightings and talking to people brought no information. Plenty of laughter though. I had hunted these same properties for deer for years, and never seen anything more exotic than a Bobcat. Then the cell phone/camera/trailcam age began. I knew that within a few years there would be definitive proof that Bigfoot existed. Nope. In the last 20 years we have captured photos of Jaguars, Jaguarundi, Ocelots, mangy bears, Cougar where they shouldn't be. The list is large. These are critters that are extremely rare to see, yet we have photos of them all. Physical evidence? I can take you out in the woods here in East Texas and find bones pretty quick. Every fence has deer and hog hair on it. Tracks are everywhere. Droppings last for quite some time especially during the summer when it dries out quickly. Has there EVER been any of that found for Bigfoot? Nope. And yes, we can know if something exist or not. Especially in North America. We know for a fact that Wooly Mammoth and Mastodon existed here. We have physical evidence of their remains. We also know they do NOT exist any more. Bigfoot has ZERO fossil record in NA and zero evidence of its existence now. No DNA, no hair, no definitive tracks, no remains, no scat and no photographs. Bigfoot doesn't exist. How many of our self proclaimed avid outdoorsmen here recommended getting an RV in a tent thread? But remember, we know what is on every square inch of ground in our country and none of it is undisturbed. Just forget about finding 100 year old rifles leaning against trees and stuff, that's a fluke. But muh science knows everything! I am neither a believer or a denier. |
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Sorry, I usually enjoy and agree with your post. But this is utter bullshit. As a young boy seeing the Patterson film for the first time in the early 70's I was hooked on the idea of Bigfoot. I read all I could on the subject and on the Loch Ness monster. I understood that since cameras were rare and not always easy to operate that real footage or photos would be hard to get. The early 90's brought about easy access to the internet, and thus information. Or mis-information. More and more sightings, even close to my home in East Texas. That is when I started to really search hard. Going to the areas of sightings and talking to people brought no information. Plenty of laughter though. I had hunted these same properties for deer for years, and never seen anything more exotic than a Bobcat. Then the cell phone/camera/trailcam age began. I knew that within a few years there would be definitive proof that Bigfoot existed. Nope. In the last 20 years we have captured photos of Jaguars, Jaguarundi, Ocelots, mangy bears, Cougar where they shouldn't be. The list is large. These are critters that are extremely rare to see, yet we have photos of them all. Physical evidence? I can take you out in the woods here in East Texas and find bones pretty quick. Every fence has deer and hog hair on it. Tracks are everywhere. Droppings last for quite some time especially during the summer when it dries out quickly. Has there EVER been any of that found for Bigfoot? Nope. And yes, we can know if something exist or not. Especially in North America. We know for a fact that Wooly Mammoth and Mastodon existed here. We have physical evidence of their remains. We also know they do NOT exist any more. Bigfoot has ZERO fossil record in NA and zero evidence of its existence now. No DNA, no hair, no definitive tracks, no remains, no scat and no photographs. Bigfoot doesn't exist. View Quote in his research of track evidence . He explains it based only on science not tales or stories he might have heard or read. |
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From your link "They do state that they did not publish her paper “due to recommendations from the editorial board, peer reviewers, referees, editorial staff, and other associates.”" on ketchum's website it says due to the above circumstances she went through an anonymous journal review due to the above mentioned. So that link basically just confirms what I copied from Ketchum's website. did she do any other work that you are referring to? With the way things are today, even if someone had real evidence they would probably want to hide it instead of expose it because of all the negativity surrounding the subject. A good example of this is take a look at that little Alabama girl, Hannah Barron. so many people hate on her saying her noodling to catch catfish is fake, when in reality she isnt faking anything. |
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Believe me I understand your apprehension to still believe . I just disagree with your assessment of the anatomy presented by Meldrum in his research of track evidence . He explains it based only on science not tales or stories he might have heard or read. View Quote |
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I know there are a ton of hoaxers out there and what footprints of different wildlife looks like in mud,dirt,snow etc, both fresh and old but the one thing i would like to know is what is really making "foot prints" miles from anywhere in some rough hard to reach country.
Not the ones found by people with an agenda to make money, just a guy out with friends or family for a hike and find some big ass footprints. you can tell the fakes from the ones that make you go hmmmm pretty easily on most of the ones people are claiming they found. and also who is walking around barefoot in the middle of nowhere as well, i recall a few members here posting about finding normal sized barefoot prints way out in the back country while camping I have heard some weird shit in the woods but i don"t think its Bigfoot every time i hear something i cant explain but there has been a few wtf moments And i would really like to know what the hell it was a few of the well regarded members here really saw |
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I know there are a ton of hoaxers out there and what footprints of different wildlife looks like in mud,dirt,snow etc, both fresh and old but the one thing i would like to know is what is really making "foot prints" miles from anywhere in some rough hard to reach country. Not the ones found by people with an agenda to make money, just a guy out with friends or family for a hike and find some big ass footprints. you can tell the fakes from the ones that make you go hmmmm pretty easily on most of the ones people are claiming they found. and also who is walking around barefoot in the middle of nowhere as well, i recall a few members here posting about finding normal sized barefoot prints way out in the back country while camping I have heard some weird shit in the woods but i don"t think its Bigfoot every time i hear something i cant explain but there has been a few wtf moments And i would really like to know what the hell it was a few of the well regarded members here really saw View Quote |
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Tracks are the most common physical evidence found. Its laughable to suggest that there is no good data here. View Quote It's just misfortunate of the abundance of people who hoax videos , tracks , tell tall tales . It keeps the majority of the scientific community away from any real research due to be being branded a crack pot , crazy etc.. But as was said there are some scientists who have spent the time researching and looking at the evidence presented while facing scorn or ridicule in their fields of expertize . |
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So, tell me, how are they avoiding game cameras?
Why have none been hit by a car? How many do you hypothesize are in the US? How many states? |
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Meanwhile, only recently has evidence began emerging that supports the eastern mountain lion exists. But the same idiots in here that say BF can't exist say the same about the eastern mountain lion. How many of our self proclaimed avid outdoorsmen here recommended getting an RV in a tent thread? But remember, we know what is on every square inch of ground in our country and none of it is undisturbed. Just forget about finding 100 year old rifles leaning against trees and stuff, that's a fluke. But muh science knows everything! I am neither a believer or a denier. View Quote |
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So, tell me, how are they avoiding game cameras? Some speculate because they can see IR, hear camera noises, smell it, observer it, etc... Me personally, I think they are able to sense electrical energy. Why have none been hit by a car? You don't know that, you are making assumptions. How many do you hypothesize are in the US? How many states? There are reports in 49 states that have been vetted by a third party. So I will go with that. I don't know on population size, but I believe it is far bigger than most could imagine. |
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Believe me I understand your apprehension to still believe . I just disagree with your assessment of the anatomy presented by Meldrum in his research of track evidence . He explains it based only on science not tales or stories he might have heard or read. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Sorry, I usually enjoy and agree with your post. But this is utter bullshit. As a young boy seeing the Patterson film for the first time in the early 70's I was hooked on the idea of Bigfoot. I read all I could on the subject and on the Loch Ness monster. I understood that since cameras were rare and not always easy to operate that real footage or photos would be hard to get. The early 90's brought about easy access to the internet, and thus information. Or mis-information. More and more sightings, even close to my home in East Texas. That is when I started to really search hard. Going to the areas of sightings and talking to people brought no information. Plenty of laughter though. I had hunted these same properties for deer for years, and never seen anything more exotic than a Bobcat. Then the cell phone/camera/trailcam age began. I knew that within a few years there would be definitive proof that Bigfoot existed. Nope. In the last 20 years we have captured photos of Jaguars, Jaguarundi, Ocelots, mangy bears, Cougar where they shouldn't be. The list is large. These are critters that are extremely rare to see, yet we have photos of them all. Physical evidence? I can take you out in the woods here in East Texas and find bones pretty quick. Every fence has deer and hog hair on it. Tracks are everywhere. Droppings last for quite some time especially during the summer when it dries out quickly. Has there EVER been any of that found for Bigfoot? Nope. And yes, we can know if something exist or not. Especially in North America. We know for a fact that Wooly Mammoth and Mastodon existed here. We have physical evidence of their remains. We also know they do NOT exist any more. Bigfoot has ZERO fossil record in NA and zero evidence of its existence now. No DNA, no hair, no definitive tracks, no remains, no scat and no photographs. Bigfoot doesn't exist. in his research of track evidence . He explains it based only on science not tales or stories he might have heard or read. |
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It is not apprehension, they simply don't exist. And Meldrum uses the Patterson film for foot structure and gait data. That film was a hoax. Meldrum is an accomplice in the lie and uses fake data for his lie. View Quote |
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Quoted: So, tell me, how are they avoiding game cameras? Some speculate because they can see IR, hear camera noises, smell it, observer it, etc... Me personally, I think they are able to sense electrical energy. Why have none been hit by a car? You don't know that, you are making assumptions. How many do you hypothesize are in the US? How many states? There are reports in 49 states that have been vetted by a third party. So I will go with that. I don't know on population size, but I believe it is far bigger than most could imagine. View Quote Where is the fur/blood/dna/pictures from the road kill? Especially if they're in 49 states. |
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It is not apprehension, they simply don't exist. And Meldrum uses the Patterson film for foot structure and gait data. That film was a hoax. Meldrum is an accomplice in the lie and uses fake data for his lie. View Quote |
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I know there are a ton of hoaxers out there and what footprints of different wildlife looks like in mud,dirt,snow etc, both fresh and old but the one thing i would like to know is what is really making "foot prints" miles from anywhere in some rough hard to reach country. Not the ones found by people with an agenda to make money, just a guy out with friends or family for a hike and find some big ass footprints. you can tell the fakes from the ones that make you go hmmmm pretty easily on most of the ones people are claiming they found. and also who is walking around barefoot in the middle of nowhere as well, i recall a few members here posting about finding normal sized barefoot prints way out in the back country while camping I have heard some weird shit in the woods but i don"t think its Bigfoot every time i hear something i cant explain but there has been a few wtf moments And i would really like to know what the hell it was a few of the well regarded members here really saw View Quote In the '80s I may have shucked my boots once or twice in the Southern Oregon Cascades and walked along the muddy banks of a few creeks. I have a distinct flaw in my left foot from an accident [4 toes] and thought it was a wonderful gag to pull on hiking California tourists. I'm not convinced either way about the existence of bigfeets, but be aware there are smart-asses out there like me who are not above fucking up the research. |
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Except IR cameras don't put out IR unless they have sensed motion - at which time bigfoot is stuck trying to evade the sub .1 second trigger time and IR exposure of modern cameras. They don't make any noise until they go off. Smell it, maybe, but then they would have to know to always walk behind it - or over 75ft away - both unlikely. Sense electrical energy - seems really likely, I mean those 8 AA batteries in a machine that only uses enough energy to take 2000+ shots. I'm sure that would stand right out. I have met several people who have reported having their electronic batteries drained similar to people that investigate paranormal stuff. I can explain infrasound, I can't explain that. They seem to have a unexplainable sense of when tech is in play. I can't explain it and don't know, its just an assumption. Where is the fur/blood/dna/pictures from the road kill? Especially if they're in 49 states. They don't have fur. Hair and blood samples associated with their activity were submitted in the DNA project. Just because you are not aware of it, don't assume that it couldn't have happened. There are stories of this happening, but that doesn't make them true either. |
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I'm going to come clean here after 30 years. In the '80s I may have shucked my boots once or twice in the Southern Oregon Cascades and walked along the muddy banks of a few creeks. I have a distinct flaw in my left foot from an accident [4 toes] and thought it was a wonderful gag to pull on hiking California tourists. I'm not convinced either way about the existence of bigfeets, but be aware there are smart-asses out there like me who are not above fucking up the research. View Quote you are the reason we can't have nice things. |
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I'm going to come clean here after 30 years. In the '80s I may have shucked my boots once or twice in the Southern Oregon Cascades and walked along the muddy banks of a few creeks. I have a distinct flaw in my left foot from an accident [4 toes] and thought it was a wonderful gag to pull on hiking California tourists. I'm not convinced either way about the existence of bigfeets, but be aware there are smart-asses out there like me who are not above fucking up the research. View Quote i was more talking about the places where only the hardcore backpackers or hunters go and have found stuff, not weekenders and the like. the type of places where you have to climb over a mountain and then cross a dozen rivers and through some thick bush That's funny When the Blair witch project first came out a friend and i would go hiking and hang a few of the totems from tress to freak people out, once even had the park rangers show up at the one metro park we did it at because it scared some snowflake |
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Quoted: Except IR cameras don't put out IR unless they have sensed motion - at which time bigfoot is stuck trying to evade the sub .1 second trigger time and IR exposure of modern cameras. They don't make any noise until they go off. Smell it, maybe, but then they would have to know to always walk behind it - or over 75ft away - both unlikely. Sense electrical energy - seems really likely, I mean those 8 AA batteries in a machine that only uses enough energy to take 2000+ shots. I'm sure that would stand right out. I have met several people who have reported having their electronic batteries drained similar to people that investigate paranormal stuff. I can explain infrasound, I can't explain that. They seem to have a unexplainable sense of when tech is in play. I can't explain it and don't know, its just an assumption. Where is the fur/blood/dna/pictures from the road kill? Especially if they're in 49 states. They don't have fur. Hair and blood samples associated with their activity were submitted in the DNA project. Just because you are not aware of it, don't assume that it couldn't have happened. There are stories of this happening, but that doesn't make them true either. View Quote in certain mammals before science knew what it was. edit but don't take my post the wrong way , all good theories |
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I've always liked this part . The curse of bigfoot , 48 seconds in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlc9UY2iuQ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have spent many wasted hours with 3 different groups. I really wanted to believe, I wanted to believe my friends actually saw something amazing. BUT I went in pretty skeptical and while other considered themselves skeptical, they were wishful thinkers more than anything else.. Moneymaker and his cult DO NOT like real skepticism. Want to be alienated and have a piece of shit like him try to character assassinate? Be skeptical of shaky evidence. There is no evidence but wishful thinking. I truly hope you guys found somethingthough. I really do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlc9UY2iuQ |
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Are you saying that she botched the DNA or is this meant as a general character assassination? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You disagree? She's a joke. You really want to go down the Melba Ketchum rabbit hole? |
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There first must be character for one to assassinate it. She's a joke. You really want to go down the Melba Ketchum rabbit hole? View Quote |
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Just read it, but from what I gather thats exactly what Ketchum posted on her web page. That she was made fun of and told to knock it off. From your link "They do state that they did not publish her paper “due to recommendations from the editorial board, peer reviewers, referees, editorial staff, and other associates.”" on ketchum's website it says due to the above circumstances she went through an anonymous journal review due to the above mentioned. So that link basically just confirms what I copied from Ketchum's website. did she do any other work that you are referring to? With the way things are today, even if someone had real evidence they would probably want to hide it instead of expose it because of all the negativity surrounding the subject. A good example of this is take a look at that little Alabama girl, Hannah Barron. so many people hate on her saying her noodling to catch catfish is fake, when in reality she isnt faking anything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
From your link "They do state that they did not publish her paper “due to recommendations from the editorial board, peer reviewers, referees, editorial staff, and other associates.”" on ketchum's website it says due to the above circumstances she went through an anonymous journal review due to the above mentioned. So that link basically just confirms what I copied from Ketchum's website. did she do any other work that you are referring to? With the way things are today, even if someone had real evidence they would probably want to hide it instead of expose it because of all the negativity surrounding the subject. A good example of this is take a look at that little Alabama girl, Hannah Barron. so many people hate on her saying her noodling to catch catfish is fake, when in reality she isnt faking anything. http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/the_ketchum_project_what_to_believe_about_bigfoot_dna_science She's a fraud. |
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Certainly the same posting style But who knows, maybe he has some common animal skull thats rotted that he wants to show us View Quote |
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Agree Many sightings that have happened were not research groups going in the field on expeditions . In fact most of those fail . A creature this large needs a lot of water during the hotter months . They won't move as much during the heat either just like most other large animals in the heat. If they do exist and I think they do. They will visit rivers , lakes during the cover of darkness to drink and just cool off. I bass fish at night and have seen deer , black bear , even seen a few cows go into the river to cool off on at night. Those had gotten loose from a near by farm but where did they head in the heat? A river to cool off A bass boat with it's trolling motor and set up with thermal i. Like I said I think they do View Quote If so, do you still have them? |
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Meanwhile, only recently has evidence began emerging that supports the eastern mountain lion exists. But the same idiots in here that say BF can't exist say the same about the eastern mountain lion. How many of our self proclaimed avid outdoorsmen here recommended getting an RV in a tent thread? But remember, we know what is on every square inch of ground in our country and none of it is undisturbed. Just forget about finding 100 year old rifles leaning against trees and stuff, that's a fluke. But muh science knows everything! I am neither a believer or a denier. View Quote |
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