Have an IMAX ticket purchased Friday @1pm.  
Fucking walked out of Spiderman yesterday halfway through it.  I was offended that the script didn't include a trannny Afro-American in a wheelchair.
Every single other demographic was represented.  Even fatties  

Fuck Hollywood.

It looks good I'll definitely try to catch it.

And that's why. He can pull it off.

For the win!

Moscow was crucial for the Stalin's personal fate. If the Germans took the city - USSR will not capitulate but had a great chance Stalin to be purged.

I'll go see it at the theater.

probably in a couple weeks when the crowds die down

I plan on seeing it ASAP, hopefully this weekend.

I wonder what Demetrus Coonrod has to say about "Dunkirk"?

Purged by whom? I challenge you to name the individual that would have physically arrested Stalin and taken command of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Red Army.

Anyone capable of competing with Stalin for leadership, who might even remotely challenge him for power, was dead by '39. The only ones left were loyal henchmen or those who were cowed by him like the beaten dogs they were. Stalin did this for a reason. He knew a major war was brewing and he wasn't going to allow anyone left who could possibly challenge his leadership so he simply killed or exiled to workcamps in Siberia (which was effectively a death sentence) anyone and everyone who might pose a later threat to him.

Look at what happened post war to Zhukov. Pre-war exiled to Siberia for succeeding against the Japaneses. Then recalled to save the Rodina, the man was utterly loyal to Stalin, but after the war was effectively banished for being largely responsible for victory. That was it, his crime was succeeding and getting the limelight, so he had to go. And what happened to him pre-war and then post-war was nothing compared to what happened to the Stavka and the higher levels of the Communist Party in the great '37-38 Purge. Hell, a large reason the Soviets got clobbered in the Winter War and the early stages of WWII was because they were still reeling from those purges. While regimental commanders and below were largely untouched, something like 95% of the division commanders and above were killed or sacked, not to mention the great culling that occurred within the Party hierarchy of the individuals who controlled ministries of great importance. Then they reformed much of the Soviet Red Army, removing many of the beneficial reforms picked up during the Russian Civil War that emphasized effectiveness not communist dogma. Suddenly political commisars once again had equal power to a unit commander, which was had earlier been abolished because it was disastrous to battlefield effectiveness. They abandoned much of the best strategy, operational doctrine such as Deep Battle. The force disposition that Stalin used to defend against Germany in '41 was against every single previous war plan, but Stalin did it because he murdered all the old generals.  

Hitler made was a dreamer. He had all sorts of audacious plans and goals for Germany, normally a very conservatively thinking nation. They don't like taking risks. But with Poland and France and other nations conquered early on it fueled Hitler's ego because after all his generals at OKW were telling him they wouldn't work Hitler was proven right. Suddenly people who should know better are actually contemplating if the Austrian Lance Corporal might actually be a military protegee. And then comes the Soviet Union...

Everyone knew they'd duke it out. A large reason Hitler came to power in the first place was that his national socialists were the only true check on the threat of a communist revolution in Germany, led and funded by the Soviet Union. Then there was the major racism directed against Slavs that was ingrained in German culture. Then there was the need and desire for "living space" for a greater Germanic empire. He launched Barbarossa in '41 because eh was largely free of dealing with the western allies and if he waited another year the Soviet Union would be one year more prepared.

But Hitler was still working on assumptions, this time they proved incorrect. He underestimated Stalin's hold on power because he largely didn't know what had happened inside the Soviet Union in the '37-38 purges. He thought that if he took Moscow and Leningrad, the historical important western cities of Russia, purely symbolic gestures, the whole nation would collapse, the govt would turn on Hitler, and the remnants would seek peace ceding all the E. European holdings to Germany. But Hitler grossly miscalculated and the result was that Barbarossa was a failure.

Had he attempted a new strategy based on realistic goals that didn't involve a coup against Stalin then Germany might have had some more success but even then its chancy. There are not enough natural boundaries between Germany and Moscow to have stopped the gigantic reserve of Soviet soldiers that Stalin had at his disposal. Germany had one real option, a quick and violent brawl to knock them out of the war through a treaty following a decisive victory. But that is easier to perform in France than in a nation who western soviets are equal in size to a dozen Frances. There was no way Germany could go 12 rounds with them (nor could they do it against the united Western Allies either once they got their shit together).

steinhab, I'm totally agree with you about the purges and the outcome from them. But Stalin was surrounded by ruthless SOBs like him. He know that. He simply cant eliminate everybody, his goal was to keep them in check with fear  and good ol "divide and concur" . You know - NKVD purges Army then vise-versa. If they smell weakness - Uncle Joe is gone. Fall of the Moscow will be show of great weakness of the "Father of the nations". That's the point of some historians and I tend to  accept it. 

[ twitter ] stalin was not at Dunkirk, thread hijacked

Anything C. nolan does is fuc%in awesome!

I know what a POS is, but I couldn't figure out Piece Of C---

I have my tickets for Saturday afternoon IMAX.

Interesting thing, if you get your tix through fandango they give you a free track from the Dunkirk soundtrack. I got "Supermarine".

Saw it, liked it, highly recommend it.

The theater near me has an advance showing tonight at 9:25.   Guess where I'll be. 

Have my ticket for Sunday morning

I'll go see it but I'm in no great hurry, next week sometime will do fine.

I'll be there in about an hour.

Steven Tyler?

We didn't have the experience or the lst capability to land in France ...42-43 would have been a blood bath.   Hell Vichy France inflicted a lot of casualties on us  at the opening of torch

"read a book you illiterate son of a bitch and up your vocab."  

I disagree.   The Nkvd was beholden to Stalin and in October of 41 w elements of army group center in and amongst the suburbs of Moscow, the entire soviet apparatus was hooked and linked to Stalin in those darkest days.  No one was purging joe at this time. And who else could step up and carry the load when they were losing 600k troops at a pop.  Those huge encirclement battles outside Kiev and Smolensk would have torn the strength and morale of any leader...even joe....but all of the soviet people in power were hooked to joes wagon at this time-there was no other.   Then the pleas from joe about the motherland-never mind the concept of a soviet state-came about and no one was pushing Stalin out.

Omg this guy speaks the truth.  What did I just write....
Sorry

Dunkirk-can't wait to see it

I had an IMAX ticket for tomorrow at 4:10...but now thanks to work I have to drive to Nashville tomorrow to deal with some accounting personnel issues and one of the companies I have financial oversight of.  May have to fire someone tomorrow.  

Have fun homies.

I'll be seeing in it 2 hours in IMAX

Seeing it in 70mm!!!

Saw it last night in 70mm.  I thought it was good, not as epic as seeing Saving Private Ryan the first time in the theater but still good.  I liked the way the movie was shot from various perspectives/times.  There was less dialog than most movies, it relied more on the cinematography to explain what was going on.

I can't take my No4  mk1 :(

The Russians would have lost without the allies diverting the Germans attention. It wasn't just a matter of supplies. The Russians would have ran out of people if facing the Germans alone.

God, I thought it was awful...

Loud explosions and throbbing bass mood music do not a great movie make and there was just sooo much WTF-ery!!!  Plus, the music was so ridiculously loud I missed a lot of the dialogue and what I did hear were accents so mushy I was hoping for subtitles.

The aerial scenes were pretty fucking awesome, though.  But even those had some moments.

It had some great inspirational moments but...I am disappoint, Christopher Nolan!  Maybe I just built it up too much in my head and made the mistake of reading some of the glowing reviews.

On the other hand, there were some great previews including a couple of Fall shows on CBS and NBC.  The CBS one is called "SEAL Team" and stars David Boreanis(?), who've always liked.  It looks like it'll include some family drama and shit like that but I like David Boreanis(?).

I forget the name of the second one, but it's also about a special operations unit that operates worldwide rescuing Americans.  I didn't see any big name stars and they didn't show any real drama llama BS, just straight up actions.

Cinema sounds so quaint.

And yeah, I watch a lot of Brit shows on Netflix and I always turn the subtitles on so I can understand what they say.

I've bought my ticket for 3:20 today in the RPX showing.

waiting for your review


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thanks

looking forward to it

I have to be honest, I was disappointed. I wasn't a fan of the non-linear narrative, the lack of dialogue, or the overwhelming nature of the score.

All in all, I prefer the 1958 production with Bernard Lee and Richard Attenborough.

I saw it this morning in IMAX. I'd been looking forward to it for months and I wasn't disappointed.  While perhaps not historically accurate in every detail, for me, it achieved Nolan's stated intent of conveying the experience.  It was obvious he chose visuals and battle noise to get the message across, rather than dialog.  I thought it worked.  I mean how many times do you need to hear "This sucks" or "We're fucked".

Nolan also has my gratitude for not embarassing womankind by writing in a superfluous major female character.  The relatively few moments of female presence were as "donut dollies", Red Cross workers, or the one old girl in her dress standing on the gunnel of (presumably) her husband's boat: "whither thou goest ..."  Thus were we spared the excruciating and utterly pointless romantic subplot that marred The Finest Hours.

Finally, for the real life Commander Bolton, Wiki: "James Campbell Clouston.  Interesting guy.

So no wise-cracking black female who rallies the troops and wins the war on the beach via a rap contest?  I am disappoint.

In the breast of every cynic, beats the heart of a wounded romantic.

I called it early in the thread. Zimmer was allowed to go crazy with his needless noise and sound effects that are passed off as a sound track. The music never lets you forget WHOA SOMETHING IS HAPPENING

Saw it last night. Good movie, dark, told the story well but don't go expecting a massive WWII action flick. 

Not that anyone gives a flying fuck about my opinion, but to me Imax is WAY too fucking loud.

If I want to fuck up my hearing, I'll do so at the range.

I am looking forward to this movie though, and will go to the theatre to see it.

Heavy movie indeed.

Amazing sound. Amazing cinematography. I wish Nolan would pick up Star Wars.