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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:17:20 AM EDT
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At 10:48 he's stating suspect down. Then he starts screaming drop the weapon, and some bullets rain down on the perp from all around.
I'm good with that. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:28:47 AM EDT
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What should he have done with it? Go ahead, Superman, tell me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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yeah, tossing the shotgun was very very silly. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 4:34:35 AM EDT
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If my only long gun is a shotgun then I would have spare ammo, against policy or not I would have it. Slugs could have ended that pretty quick.
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:46:02 AM EDT
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another angle
 Dundalk Shootout Video |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:53:45 AM EDT
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lol...recording that like he was in the Nam
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Posted: 6/29/2017 7:38:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe buckshot was actually fairly decently placed...but once it went through the windshield glass it seemed to go wild and never hit dude.
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Posted: 6/29/2017 8:01:36 AM EDT
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I'm suprised Baltimore PD is still allowed shotguns given the stupidity of city leadership.
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Posted: 6/29/2017 8:07:42 AM EDT
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Did he really deploy with an unloaded shotgun???
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Posted: 6/29/2017 8:30:38 AM EDT
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Did he really deploy with an unloaded shotgun??? Shells in the magazine, nothing in the chamber. This is because no shotgun has a real safety. All the safeties on shotguns basically just block movement of the trigger. None that I know of block the sear like on a 1911. So they are not drop safe. Thus you store them empty chamber and rack a round in when you need it. Trouble is that this shotgun had a maximum magazine capacity of 4 rounds, and the officers are forbidden by policy from having any extra shells stored on the gun (with a side saddle, a speed-feed stock, or even some fucking velcro) and can't carry any extra ammo on their person either. So they get 4 rounds and that's it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 8:32:53 AM EDT
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Suspected armed robber. Female officer stops the bus, gets on looking for the last people to get on the bus. She's looking for an armed robber and seems quite surprised to actually find one. Don't go looking for trouble unless you expect to find it. Hey, if it's worth blocking the road to stop the bus, it's probably worth not going in flat footed and contentedly chewing your cud. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 8:38:22 AM EDT
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Standard setup for a police shotgun is "cruiser ready" Shells in the magazine, nothing in the chamber. This is because no shotgun has a real safety. All the safeties on shotguns basically just block movement of the trigger. None that I know of block the sear like on a 1911. So they are not drop safe. Thus you store them empty chamber and rack a round in when you need it. Trouble is that this shotgun had a maximum magazine capacity of 4 rounds, and the officers are forbidden by policy from having any extra shells stored on the gun (with a side saddle, a speed-feed stock, or even some fucking velcro) and can't carry any extra ammo on their person either. So they get 4 rounds and that's it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 8:50:38 AM EDT
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Thats fucking crazy that they cannot have more ammo on the shotgun, what a fucking joke
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Posted: 6/29/2017 9:35:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:07:42 AM EDT
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The fat chick behind the van almost got ventilated when bodycam officer shot his pistol at the drivers window.
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:10:07 AM EDT
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shotgun setup is ludicrous! my HD shotgun can hold 7 in the tube and has another 10 on side and stock saddles.
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:12:18 AM EDT
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shotgun setup is ludicrous! my HD shotgun can hold 7 in the tube and has another 10 on side and stock saddles. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:20:26 AM EDT
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Who paints these signs?
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:20:26 AM EDT
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No round in the chamber is a lot better in case of car fire too. Cook off in the 
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:21:55 AM EDT
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so, djellaba, headscarf, beard, was he derpa derpa?
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:25:40 AM EDT
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Interesting video for sure. After taking a 4 day shotgun class I learned a lot. They are hungry animals and you have to select the exact ammo for the job. If you don't have some sort of rig to carry that ammo its pretty limited in its use.
Ar's are much more effective in a situation like that. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:25:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's fucking hilarious. "Get in your house!" "I don't live here!"
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:36:43 AM EDT
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The fat chick behind the van almost got ventilated when bodycam officer shot his pistol at the drivers window.
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:38:19 AM EDT
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Thanks for posting OP....definitely an interesting video. I agree with other posters, that shotgun was just slightly better than worthless. What a crazy policy for that dept to have, here you can have the tool, but nothing to feed it.
That's a great example of what you get when you have people making policy that have no fucking clue what they're doing in the real world. 
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:39:58 AM EDT
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The buckshot was actually fairly decently placed...but once it went through the windshield glass it seemed to go wild and never hit dude. Think GKR was saying bonded .308 or Brenneke (and only Brenneke, light mag/black magic/special forces) slugs worked really well against that glass. I don't think the bad guy had any idea of any of this, however, I think it allowed him to live as long as he did. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:46:07 AM EDT
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Looks like officers using a FNS long slide, from what I can tell.
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Posted: 6/29/2017 11:04:45 AM EDT
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I remember reading something from DocGKR about that: Metro buses are like armored vehicles with that laminated safety glass. People think that car windshields are magic on bullets, just wait until you see the almost triple thickness of that in the form of metro bus glass... Think GKR was saying bonded .308 or Brenneke (and only Brenneke, light mag/black magic/special forces) slugs worked really well against that glass. I don't think the bad guy had any idea of any of this, however, I think it allowed him to live as long as he did. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 11:33:38 AM EDT
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I was surprised to see the bad guy stop and check the rounds left in his magazine.
Would it really be the right decision to throw a tourniquet on someone when you haven't assessed the wound yet? |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 11:38:54 AM EDT
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yeah, tossing the shotgun was very very silly. It's empty and useless. I would have done the same thing. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:04:05 PM EDT
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The most important lesson is to stay out of Baltimore |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 1:14:26 PM EDT
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I'm surprised he let everyone off the bus.
I'm also surprised that the police didn't simply tail the damn bus until he got off, then nabbed him, rather than endangering everyone on board like that. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 1:54:56 PM EDT
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That was a shitshow.
That first lady cop on the bus was lucky to make it out alive. That shit went on way longer than it should have even without rifles. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:05:12 PM EDT
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I'm suprised Baltimore PD is still allowed shotguns given the stupidity of city leadership. This took place in Dundalk in Baltimore County. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:10:14 PM EDT
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That was a shitshow. That first lady cop on the bus was lucky to make it out alive. That shit went on way longer than it should have even without rifles. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:41:43 PM EDT
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This didn't take place in Baltimore City. This took place in Baltimore County, which oddly enough is a different (adjacent) jurisdiction. This took place in Dundalk in Baltimore County. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm suprised Baltimore PD is still allowed shotguns given the stupidity of city leadership. This took place in Dundalk in Baltimore County. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:57:33 PM EDT
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Supposedly the county (outside the city) is less of a liberal shitshow. But I got no personal experience with it. Baltimore County ranges from urban crap zones (adjacent to the city) to super multi-million dollar horse farms where people like the main guy at Under Armour live. Dundalk is a place which used to be a wonderful blue collar neighborhood where everyone worked at Bethlehem Steel's Sparrows Point facility and is now a shitshow. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 3:31:48 PM EDT
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yeah, tossing the shotgun was very very silly. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 3:36:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2017 3:50:01 PM EDT
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I was surprised to see the bad guy stop and check the rounds left in his magazine.
Would it really be the right decision to throw a tourniquet on someone when you haven't assessed the wound yet? If I'm wrong I'm interested to hear the proper response. Swear I had read a lot of trauma policy these days calls for a lot more TQ usage. The video was interesting. An AR would've made short work of the perp. Slugs would've been a better option for the 12ga but as noted above ammo issues. They're lucky that dumbass wigger thought he was Denzel or some shit and had those POS guns. Cop bobbled a pistol reload and the TQ application was sloppy but that could happen to anybody. Overall I thought they did well. They really need to get that rifle situation squared away. Why can't every officer have an active shooter kit with an AR and PC in the trunk? Its worth the expense. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 3:56:47 PM EDT
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If you are going straight to surgery I think a TQ is acceptable immediately on any penetrating wound. Could've used an Izzy or some Celox I suppose. If I'm wrong I'm interested to hear the proper response. Swear I had read a lot of trauma policy these days calls for a lot more TQ usage. The video was interesting. An AR would've made short work of the perp. Slugs would've been a better option for the 12ga but as noted above ammo issues. They're lucky that dumbass wigger thought he was Denzel or some shit and had those POS guns. Cop bobbled a pistol reload and the TQ application was sloppy but that could happen to anybody. Overall I thought they did well. They really need to get that rifle situation squared away. Why can't every officer have an active shooter kit with an AR and PC in the trunk? Its worth the expense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was surprised to see the bad guy stop and check the rounds left in his magazine.
Would it really be the right decision to throw a tourniquet on someone when you haven't assessed the wound yet? If I'm wrong I'm interested to hear the proper response. Swear I had read a lot of trauma policy these days calls for a lot more TQ usage. The video was interesting. An AR would've made short work of the perp. Slugs would've been a better option for the 12ga but as noted above ammo issues. They're lucky that dumbass wigger thought he was Denzel or some shit and had those POS guns. Cop bobbled a pistol reload and the TQ application was sloppy but that could happen to anybody. Overall I thought they did well. They really need to get that rifle situation squared away. Why can't every officer have an active shooter kit with an AR and PC in the trunk? Its worth the expense. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 4:27:39 PM EDT
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True...but I would have put a TQ on it anyway since I couldn't see the actual wound. As for sucking up to cover, I agree that you can get too close. On the other hand, I can see doing that if you are trying to take an aimed, rested shot at a target some distance away, particularly if the target isn't showing you much (peeking out from behind cover). In a dense urban environment like that, with so much potential for cross-fire, and innocents as the backstop, accuracy is going to be VERY important. ETA: of course, a RIFLE would be best for that, but it's the Northeast, so... 
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Posted: 6/29/2017 4:35:13 PM EDT
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If you are going straight to surgery I think a TQ is acceptable immediately on any penetrating wound. Could've used an Izzy or some Celox I suppose. If I'm wrong I'm interested to hear the proper response. Swear I had read a lot of trauma policy these days calls for a lot more TQ usage. The video was interesting. An AR would've made short work of the perp. Slugs would've been a better option for the 12ga but as noted above ammo issues. They're lucky that dumbass wigger thought he was Denzel or some shit and had those POS guns. Cop bobbled a pistol reload and the TQ application was sloppy but that could happen to anybody. Overall I thought they did well. They really need to get that rifle situation squared away. Why can't every officer have an active shooter kit with an AR and PC in the trunk? Its worth the expense. But in this case, the wound didn't seem to be bleeding much, and I would think that assessing it first would make sense (and based on the amount of blood, a compress may have done fine). I guess the vid cut off before we saw what happened, and maybe they were staging it on her leg ahead of getting the pant leg opened up. 
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Posted: 6/29/2017 4:38:55 PM EDT
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If I were a betting man I'd bet she was hit by one of her fellow officers...not the bad guy.
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Posted: 6/29/2017 5:05:14 PM EDT
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I was surprised to see the bad guy stop and check the rounds left in his magazine.
Would it really be the right decision to throw a tourniquet on someone when you haven't assessed the wound yet? Eta: Remember the number one goal is get to cover without the casualty dying. Assessment is high on the priority list, but you don't assess under fire because that's a good way to have two casualties. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 5:40:37 PM EDT
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My armchair perspective and criticism.
Cops did not secure the scene as well as they could have. No one opted to cover the only side of the bus with man size openings. No one even tried to get a vantage point behind cover from the other side. One officer in the same relative position as the guy taking the second video may have ended it much sooner. As it turned out no one got killed except the shithead. Perfect outcome regardless of tactical could haves. Edit: and another reason for tactical carbine in pistol caliber or other in the squad car. make the entire force use 9mm and squad cars would carry carbine in 9mm. Every 3rd squad car could have .223 or 6.8spc, 6.5G... so when there is an event that requires multiple responding officers. Someone always shows up with some fire power if needed. standing off @ 3-4 times the normally trained for hand gun distance with a shoulder fired weapon has no equal in that situation. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 5:53:48 PM EDT
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Good guys won. That is all that matters.
Firefights are ugly and never look like a training scenario. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:18:07 PM EDT
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to everyone complaining about a shotgun being useless - is this bad or good?
considering the amount of friendly fire, the officer might only be alive due to the lack of rifles. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:25:38 PM EDT
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Seemed like limp wristing caused his fails.
Shotgun was right weapon but used poorly IMO, but I understand thats coming from me sitting in my living room. Has it been made public if female cop was hit by friendly fire? |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:36:33 PM EDT
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Good guys won. That is all that matters. Firefights are ugly and never look like a training scenario. Just an observation... Are regular officers trained to close with a shooter? I remember that Dallas PD shooting, and the bad guy was effective in murdering that one officer by closing with them. Are officers that carry rifles trained in that tactic? I understand that's a bad idea with a handgun. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 7:37:35 PM EDT
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I wouldn't have... it wasn't bleeding much, if at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I wouldn't have... it wasn't bleeding much, if at all. I thought the same thing initially, but I also wasn't sure how much bleeding I'd be able to see through uniform pants especially if her body is all tightened up at the moment and the bleeding might start in earnest once the initial adrenaline rush wears off. Obviously I'm not a doc or a medic with significant trauma experience so I'd be inclined to err on the side of caution. As for sucking up to cover, I agree that you can get too close. On the other hand, I can see doing that if you are trying to take an aimed, rested shot at a target some distance away, particularly if the target isn't showing you much (peeking out from behind cover). In a dense urban environment like that, with so much potential for cross-fire, and innocents as the backstop, accuracy is going to be VERY important. ETA: of course, a RIFLE would be best for that, but it's the Northeast, so... I honestly don't think the cover position was selected purposefully. I just think they don't know any other way because nobody has taught it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 7:41:50 PM EDT
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Good guys won. That is all that matters. Firefights are ugly and never look like a training scenario. But if this dude had an AK there would have been several dead cops. I'm all for using events like this to identify and correct deficiencies. |
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