Guy that's a big joke calling others a big joke? The irony......

Holier than thou with a poor attitude. Occupation fits.

Didn't need to watch the video to know the ethnicity.

Correct.

Yup. Rich and vibrant culture being rich and vibrant. Fuck em.

Funny how most people never have a single issue with cops except the dumb fuck who wants to record the interaction and be a fucking moron.

Reason number 37 I couldn't be a cop, most thankless job on the fucking planet yet let those dipshits get robbed and watch who the call screaming.

There are a number of people in this thread with their pants on their head.

And some of you are so full of internet baddassery that it's laughable.

No.  Not just because feels.   If I am walking down the sidewalk and get stopped by an officer who demands ID and gives me a pat down....I am going to potentially be irritated because there is no probable cause.   Just because an officer demands something does not make it justified.

And the way to handle that is to take it up with their chain of command after the fact

I agree.   I think you should always comply with an officers commands.    But what I want to make clear is they are not correct all the time either.   And I don't want there to be an abuse of authority because they feel like any command if fair game because everyone always complies and never questions.

I've only had an officer disarm me once on a traffic stop. It was pretty scary actually....... Dumbass didn't know how to unload my 1911, he had both hands on it fucking with it. I was waiting for him to shoot himself with the damn thing, I knew he was an idiot as soon as I opened my suit coat at his insistence so he could see the gun and he says, "Why is it cocked?"....The whole time I'm thinking, "You're a real fucking dumbass, if I wanted to shoot you, I'd grab the FAL off the back floor board of my truck while you have both hands on a fucking gun you can't get the safety off of and ventilate your ass".

As soon as I told him I was armed he says the standard bullshit, "For your safety and mine I'm going to disarm you"......So, I'm thinking, "For my safety? Are you telling me that I"m not safe since you pulled me over? Maybe I shouldn't give up my gun if I'm not safe now..." It's so fucking stupid beyond words.

Yea, I'm a real fucking threat in my new pickup, wearing a suit and tie with three Cub Scouts in the back seat on my way to a den meeting at the Church, good job, you literally caught Ben Quaeda, Al's older brother......

I started converting them a few months ago, I think I have the entire rear end done except for the license plate lights
the interior of the truck is done too, but I still have the front end remaining and it's expensive

Uh....he told on himself while arrested for something completely different. That's how they caught him IIRC.

Understandable from the POV of "mentality of the job and getting through the day".
A problem when Law Enforcement actions violate the very covenants of Freedom that are expected to be upheld.
LEO's blurring the line of probable cause and reasonable suspicion over what most would consider absolutely zero indication that anything other than a minor traffic violation occurred is the issue.

Wow, that's almost exactly the same situation.

Pulling someone over for a broken license plate light is dumb.

Almost as dumb as killing a guy over not paying taxes when selling ciggs...

When the infraction that is the cause of a stop is so minor as a broken license plate light, the stop probably shouldn't happen in the first place.

Every traffic stop is different. I've been disarmed by an officer for expired plates, I was in my jeep with no windows or doors on, wearing a suit and tie. He got in my jeep and pulled my .38 off me unloaded it. And kept it in his car until he came back with a warning.

Another time I was driving my jeep home from the desert after shooting, I had about 15 guns in it. Multiple ars, ak, 6-7 pistols. It was about 11:30 at night. I was pulled over for speeding and swerving. Officer thought I was drinking and that's why I was pulled over. I wasn't drinking, I was pulling the pistol off my belt because it was digging into my side, crossed the lines a little. My loaded/holstered beretta right there on the passenger seat as he comes up the the vehicle. He seen the beretta asked if there were other weapons, told him yeah a bunch. he actually told me to calm down because I was so nervous. Never even grabbed the beretta to put it in the back of my jeep or anything. He ended up not giving me a ticket for speeding, then we sat and talked about guns for 10minutes or so. He was telling me about his friend just got a new scope for his ar15 and they went shooting, then we were both from the same area in Michigan. Turned out to be the best interaction with an officer I've ever had.

Both instances I handled myself the exact same way. Both hands resting on the steering wheel until the officer comes to the window, no sudden movements or digging around the console or under the seats etc.  yes sir no sir etc.

Was wondering the same thing.

Last time a cop asked me to get out of the car (and disarm), I got to sit in the front seat of a really nice new Charger. He looked at my record. We talked about various criminal law scenarios. He told me to slow it down and enjoy my time in Kansas City. No ticket. No one was shot, tazed, or dragged. Because I'm not an a-hole or a douche.

Having a burned out light is dumb, because that is how you get pulled over.  Not because of the light, but because it gives them a a reason to stop you.  That's how they catch 87% of drunk divers, among others.  Never invite the man into your life.

Got a permit, that's great, but cop says get out, you better get the fuck out..  also typical attitude from usual group.  The bullshit attitudes most blacks seem to have is IMHO 90% of the reason they have so many issues with simple assed traffic stops.  Fuck just follow orders, how hard is that ?

Uh, no.  Combination of: failing to maintain lane (left or right over the line), wide turns, driving too slow, no headlights, passed out behind the wheel and so on.

Actually, the man who "wants to fuck with people" is a paid agent of the state that has job duties including enforcing the vehicle code, or whatever they call it in Texas.  

Talk about anti cop....

The reality is that the worst drivers drive lousy cars. especially here in the NE where we are a four season state. You drive through the trailer parks and section 8 complexes and you see a mish mash of cars held together with Bondo, duct tape and red tape over the taillights. Real rolling wrecks that have a ton of equipment issues associated with them.
It isn't hard to find a reason to stop drunks either. they're bouncing all over the road, getting into accidents, not following the V & T laws.....

That guy died because he fought back and placed demands on his body that his body couldn't keep up with.
Ultimately he died because he ignored the previous incidents where he'd been a problem and decided he could continue to thumb his nose at the community and the laws.
It was the community and their complaints about him that brought him to the attention of police.
It's not like the police were sitting around the station bored and said lets go find this guy and mess with him.

or WARNING...

Imagine how much heartburn, heartache, arrests, deaths and beatdowns could be prevented in the world if people would JUST DO A PROPER PMCS.

Yup.  They wanted a confrontation.  They acted confrontational.  

Here is a hint for my young Brothers in Blue-

If they are actively filming you, they want a reaction, and they want it on film.  
Unless you have them dead to nuts on something serious, just roll with it.

Did this change? I thought the penalty was loss of CHL.

I would much rather not inform, the gun is safest if neither party is fucking with it.

Okay,  but I'm not wrong in principle.  If you stop someone for a plate light,  is it not often at least in part a justification for the stop in the hope of finding something more?   I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that.

When I first started I was told that the person you are stopping / contacting knows exactly who you are.  You're wearing a funny uniform and driving a car with lights.   You, on the other hand, have no idea who you are stopping. 

One of the things that people don't really think about is that a criminal, who has just committed a crime or has committed a crime and has not yet been identified, thinks the Officer knows everything about him.  Most of the time the Officer doesn't know anything about you and takes a posture of control until the stop is over and you have left.  

Go on a ride-a-long and get a different perspective of what actually happens.  You might actually start to understand why cops do what they do.

Most people CANNOT put themselves in anothers position. They dont learn it in school, and their job doesnt require it, so it never occurs to them.

Thats how you get people indignant that a cop might think there is a possibility they are a bad guy.  Its not like the cars that have second strike felons with an open beer in the console are labled.  The cop has NO IDEA who you are.....until you show him.  Some show it by shooting at the cop.  Cops would be idiots if they werent thinking about that during traffic stops.  

Some show who they are by making the cops interaction easier for everyone.

Ive posted this dozens of times.  Heres how i do a night traffic stop.  First, as others have mentioned, i maintain my vehicle.  No burned lights, no broken lenses, no cracked windshields.  It takes two minutes once a month to check this.  We all KNOW that cops pull people over for "chicken shit" stuff, so why give them that excuse?

Then, when the lights go on, i pull well to the shoulder, in a safe place, and i put the car in park and turn it off. Ive never felt the need to toss the keys on the dash, but some do this.  I roll all the windows down, especially if there is tint.  Being able to see who is in the back seat at night helps them decide this car isnt a problem, because thats what they are looking for.  I also turn on the interior lights for the same reason.

I keep my hands on the wheel, 10 and 2, as the cop approaches. I dont kiss his or her ass, but i am polite. If they want something, i tell them where it is, and ask if i can reach to that place for it.  I dont take my hands off the wheel,until they verbally tell me thats what they want. Ive actually said "i need you to say 'yes' " when one guy nodded.  When i move, i move slowly, deliberately, and i reach where i told them i was going to be reaching.

I keep firearms AWAY from what i am going to be reaching for.  Wallet in left pocket, gun on right hip.  If the gun is off me, its someplace where i do not keep insurance or registration. Ive taken to keeping registration in the visor, there is no digging there.  

I hardly ever get pulled over.  Ive never been pulled over in 3 years of carrying.  But thats how i do it/plan to do it.  

Never had a problem.

Equipment violations are violations of traffic laws or code.  I can't recall the last time I issued a money citation for one.  I give plenty of written or verbal warnings.  In my state you can take a citation to any LEO and show them that the violation has been fixed and they can inspect the fix and sign off on the citation.  The person can then take the citation to the courthouse and it will be dismissed.  My take on equipment violations is that it is a safety issue, the goal should be alerting the driver so they can fix it.

With that said, equipment violations are often used as pretext for a stop.   I have used them to stop vehicles leaving known drug locations or for vehicles slow driving neighborhoods late at night or early morning that are prone to burglaries as common examples.  It allows me to identify who was driving and investigate if there is any RS/PC for a criminal violation.  So I may have a warning citation and even complete a Field Interview Report if no further action is taken by me so detectives can have the information if needed.  I also frequently use warning citations when making a case, because they document your PC for the stop and cannot be taken to a traffic hearing and dismissed.

You do not even know what you are talking about.  (You do not know the difference between RS and PC) yet you have a firm opinion on it. You also do not understand what a Terry stop is. You also do not understand what a lawful order is.  Remember, the police are not the ones who decide what is lawful. You are, through representation you chose.

Not only does my statement "because feels" stand, you have proven it.

Because they're both dumbasses.

Awesome comment.  I too like to form opinions without knowing any facts.

protip: don't marry a sanctimonious, obnoxious twat.

You "might" have a legitimate point if there was anything remotely near that going on in this incident. There was nothing illegal or anywhere near the sexual assault comment that your dumbass remark equates this to. Typical Antifa

You should know buy now that its more fashionable to bitch on the internet than actually put in the work to try and change what you don't like.

What part of do what the officer says and all will be good do these idiots not understand

Perfectly legit, IMO.  I got pulled over for 3 MPH over the limit in Arkansas in the middle of the night a couple of months ago.  I was on my way back from Texas, with a load of stuff in my truck under a tarp, Ohio plates, and I had a map light on.    It was probably the nicest cop I've ever encountered.   He came to the passenger side, where my wife was sitting, knitting a sweater, (which is why the map light was on).

Him, after a nice conversation in which we agreed that I was speeding: "I'm just making sure you ain't hauling any guns or drugs tonight".
Me: "No drugs, but a few guns".  
Him: "Well hell, that ain't illegal.  You folks have a safe trip".

I'm still trying to understand how the 4th Amendment is violated when a fellow is asked to exit a vehicle during a reasonable seizure (traffic stop for a violation) and no search is involved, and why SCOTUS is evil for allowing it to happen.

Because CHL holders are superhumans that are immune from human frailties and temptations to commit crimes unlike the rest of the human race.
What an idiot.

Dumbasses that idolized this scumbag don't care that he is a scumbag. This makes no difference to them.

Went looking for drama, Dallas county sheriff deputy obliged.

The woman sounds like Dashiki from Don't Be A Menace...

It isn't until there are additional facts.  Like a head but through the window in order to get the guy out of the car.  I had that case.  

Driver deserved everything he got.


What a moron.