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Posted: 6/28/2017 10:57:36 PM EDT
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How long after an addict is reprogrammed are they no longer an addict? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if people with Celiacs disease don't eat gluten, then they don't have Celiacs disease.  I didn't say all diseases have external origins. Again, people beat their addictions by coming to terms with themselves & "reprogramming", if you will, their habits & mindset. That's not happening with Celiac's. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 10:58:50 PM EDT
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Drug users don't need counseling or treatment...They need a nice cell in a state penitentiary.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:02:01 PM EDT
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I can buy that, although it might be better to refer to it as a condition. "Disease" connotes an external (not necessarily in the physical sense), uncontrollable factor. I'd like drug abusers to "own" themselves completely. Like I posted earlier, no one wants to pay to own blame, but they will pay to be a victim, even if just in a slightly partial sense. Guilt avoidance is a thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OK, so diseases can be caused by choices. Ergo, just because someone chose to use drugs, doesn't automatically preclude the resulting addiction from being considered a disease. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:06:32 PM EDT
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Drug users don't need counseling or treatment...They need a nice cell in a state penitentiary. Drug abuse would be a self-correcting problem if we'd stop interfering & allow its natural consequences to take effect. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:08:34 PM EDT
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It is a disease, there really is no way to argue that it is not, unless you are a complete fucking idiot. I've seen people die this disease, and some people are more predisposed to be addicts than others.
On the other hand OP, I do understand your annoyance for the snowflakes on facebook that like to talk about their 'recovery'. Whenever I see that bullshit, I tell them to call me when they get their five year token, then they've accomplished something, and until then, to shut the fuck up and listen to people that are smarter than they are. And for the record, I'm not an addict, but I worked with them for more than five years. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:09:20 PM EDT
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I can buy that, although it might be better to refer to it as a condition. "Disease" connotes an external (not necessarily in the physical sense), uncontrollable factor. I'd like drug abusers to "own" themselves completely. Like I posted earlier, no one wants to pay to own blame, but they will pay to be a victim, even if just in a slightly partial sense. Guilt avoidance is a thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OK, so diseases can be caused by choices. Ergo, just because someone chose to use drugs, doesn't automatically preclude the resulting addiction from being considered a disease. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:10:03 PM EDT
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For commuting personal crimes, I agree. Otherwise, just let them stew in their bad habit. No safety net to make their lifestyle just bearable. Drug abuse would be a self-correcting problem if we'd stop interfering & allow its natural consequences to take effect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drug users don't need counseling or treatment...They need a nice cell in a state penitentiary. Drug abuse would be a self-correcting problem if we'd stop interfering & allow its natural consequences to take effect. People should have to deal with the consequences of their decisions, not be able to spread load bad choices to everyone else. That goes for drug addicts as well as any other matter. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:18:35 PM EDT
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Once an addict, always an addict. It's just how long since the last one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if people with Celiacs disease don't eat gluten, then they don't have Celiacs disease. I didn't say all diseases have external origins. Again, people beat their addictions by coming to terms with themselves & "reprogramming", if you will, their habits & mindset. That's not happening with Celiac's. 
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:25:23 PM EDT
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Mental capacity of a 5 year old confirmed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You speak like someone that has precisely 0% experience or information on addiction. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:31:29 PM EDT
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Ok so we've established you don't know what words mean. I'm not sure how to clear that hurdle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of course, I have a few myself. But I don't have a disease. I also recognized early on thay have a very addictive personality and in part, that is a reason I've have never partaken of drugs and moderate my alcohol consumption. That predisposition or persanality trait is not a disease. That personality trait would not have made me become an addict anymore than the persoanlity trait of being lazy makes someone fat. Choices make someone an addict. With that said, I have known more than a few, and have sympathy for what they go through and put their families through but hitting that pipe, poping the pills, or pushing that plunger dies not constitute a disease. I'm not sure how to clear that hurdle. You choose to do something or to partake in something. Them, via that choice or series of subsequent choices a person may become addicted. Very simple. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:37:49 PM EDT
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Is having a weak will a disease/disorder,chemical imbalance
 where does a weak will come from
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:38:43 PM EDT
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I don't think that alcoholism or drug addiction is a disease either. It's a mental health issue.
That being said, if it is helpful for the addict or the health care community to identify it and treat it as a disease, then I don't give a shit what anyone calls it. I just hope that everyone struggling with whatever monkey is on their back can right their ship and move on with life. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:41:13 PM EDT
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It is a disease, there really is no way to argue that it is not, unless you are a complete fucking idiot. I've seen people die this disease, and some people are more predisposed to be addicts than others. On the other hand OP, I do understand your annoyance for the snowflakes on facebook that like to talk about their 'recovery'. Whenever I see that bullshit, I tell them to call me when they get their five year token, then they've accomplished something, and until then, to shut the fuck up and listen to people that are smarter than they are. And for the record, I'm not an addict, but I worked with them for more than five years. These are known disease vectors. Inhalation, injection or ingestion are not. That kinda rules out drug use and alcoholism as diseases. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:42:20 PM EDT
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1-2 days is not a long period of time. I had them in some serious levels for months. Dependency does develop. At that point you fucking suffer the withdrawls or you find alternate methods of obtaining what your body wants. I suffered and rode out the withdrawals but I can see how easy it would be to lose that control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
1-2 days is not a long period of time. I had them in some serious levels for months. Dependency does develop. At that point you fucking suffer the withdrawls or you find alternate methods of obtaining what your body wants. I suffered and rode out the withdrawals but I can see how easy it would be to lose that control. Quoted:
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:45:14 PM EDT
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so, no solutions?
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:54:16 PM EDT
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Choices don't make you an addict? You choose to do something or to partake in something. Them, via that choice or series of subsequent choices a person may become addicted. Very simple. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of course, I have a few myself. But I don't have a disease. I also recognized early on thay have a very addictive personality and in part, that is a reason I've have never partaken of drugs and moderate my alcohol consumption. That predisposition or persanality trait is not a disease. That personality trait would not have made me become an addict anymore than the persoanlity trait of being lazy makes someone fat. Choices make someone an addict. With that said, I have known more than a few, and have sympathy for what they go through and put their families through but hitting that pipe, poping the pills, or pushing that plunger dies not constitute a disease. I'm not sure how to clear that hurdle. You choose to do something or to partake in something. Them, via that choice or series of subsequent choices a person may become addicted. Very simple. Does the fact that a person chose to engage in an activity, preclude the repercussions of that activity from being a disease? If that's how it works, then a smoker who gets cancer doesn't actually have a disease. They chose to smoke after all, so any consequences of that choice can't be considered diseases. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:57:08 PM EDT
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If it's a disease, can you post a pic of the gene, organism, parasite, virus, bacteria or microbe that causes it? These are known disease vectors. Inhalation, injection or ingestion are not. That kinda rules out drug use and alcoholism as diseases. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is a disease, there really is no way to argue that it is not, unless you are a complete fucking idiot. I've seen people die this disease, and some people are more predisposed to be addicts than others. On the other hand OP, I do understand your annoyance for the snowflakes on facebook that like to talk about their 'recovery'. Whenever I see that bullshit, I tell them to call me when they get their five year token, then they've accomplished something, and until then, to shut the fuck up and listen to people that are smarter than they are. And for the record, I'm not an addict, but I worked with them for more than five years. These are known disease vectors. Inhalation, injection or ingestion are not. That kinda rules out drug use and alcoholism as diseases. So people who inhale asbestos don't actually contract diseases either. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:58:21 PM EDT
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Cancer is a disease
Lupus is a disease ALS is a disease addiction is an affliction You can't "quit cold turkey" cancer, ALS, lupus, or any host of "disease". You sure as heck can quit addiction. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:58:39 PM EDT
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Had like 3 guys I know on Facebook come out with the whole "In recovery! Fighting this disease!" Shit in the past year or so. No. You're a fucking dope fiend. No one forced you to do drugs. It was a choice. God damn. One of these guys was a VERY successful business owner who ran a custom car shop in MD. he fell off the face of the earth for a while then came back all "YAY RECOVERY!". I'm happy he's making a positive change in his life, but stop with the "it's a disease" bullshit. Here's a good video on the subject.  You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Not the 1st clue. I personally know someone who was a well balanced, healthy and rational individual who completely lost their shit and fell to pieces after taking 20 hydrocodone from having a minor surgery. This person WRECKED their family and severely damaged their children. Some people are on very strong pain killers for a few months and get off without a 2nd thought. Different drugs affects different people's brains sometimes way differently than others. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:59:47 PM EDT
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Medical definitions....Gow do they work?
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:02:29 AM EDT
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I think the resistance to defining it as a disease is the repercussions of defining it so. If it's a disease, then you can become disabled by it and be eligible for SSDI. If it's a disease, then states will be mandated, through legal precedent, to cover addiction treatment, with the Medical Industrial Complex deciding what that treatment will be--expensive and therefore profitable. If it's a disease, then how can you punish these people through incarceration. This already happens with drug diversion courts. Fine, it's a disease. Now enjoy paying for it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:03:19 AM EDT
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Cancer is a disease Lupus is a disease ALS is a disease addiction is an affliction You can't "quit cold turkey" cancer, ALS, lupus, or any host of "disease". You sure as heck can quit addiction. You can quit using but, you never quit being an addict. Addiction doesn't require the addict to be in a state of active use for it to be a disease. The disease is a function of prior use and, once established, never goes away, entirely. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:06:21 AM EDT
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You can't "quit cold turkey" cancer, ALS, lupus, or any host of "disease". You sure as heck can quit addiction. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:12:02 AM EDT
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I thought I caught the disease of Heroin addiction the other day after I touched a doorknob in a hospital that a junkie touched in front of me.
When will the symptoms of heroin addiction start to show? Or do you guys think I am safe since I didn't have any open cuts on my hands? I washed my hands really good afterwards so hoping I don't catch it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:19:33 AM EDT
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I thought I caught the disease of Heroin addiction the other day after I touched a doorknob in a hospital that a junkie touched in front of me. When will the symptoms of heroin addiction start to show? Or do you guys think I am safe since I didn't have any open cuts on my hands? I washed my hands really good afterwards so hoping I don't catch it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:39:35 AM EDT
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If it's a disease, can you post a pic of the gene, organism, parasite, virus, bacteria or microbe that causes it? These are known disease vectors. Inhalation, injection or ingestion are not. That kinda rules out drug use and alcoholism as diseases. Try looking up both the dictionary and medical definitions of disease. Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, CTE are all medically classified as diseases. But of course, vehement deniers can't be bothered to actually look up anything that contradicts their particular world view. Not something like how the neural pathways in addicts are altered in similar ways to other mental diseases and disorders. For some reason, I got lucky. The only thing I ever tried was alcohol, which I decided to quit completely over 2 decades ago. Never had any desire to try anything else, not even marijuana. Don't smoke either. First time I'd ever tried opioid painkillers was for an abscessed tooth that swelled my face up a few years ago. I took the pills because it dulled the pain enough to keep working. T I was on Percocet for a couple of weeks the beginning of this year after surgery, but I disliked the feeling of being on them enough that I couldn't wait to get off them, and stepped down to Advil as soon as possible (ignoring the docs advice to avoid blood thinning NSAIDs for a month post surgery). I do feel that willpower is a factor, especially in not getting sucked in in the first place (my brother and I somehow managed to resist all the typical peer pressure, resorting to, "Nah, I'm good", to, "I said NO. Ask me again and I'm gonna punch you in the face"), and in not getting sucked back in (for folks who've succumbed to temptation). The thing is, for the folks who are addicted, neurological research shows that their brains have been rewired to need their poison of choice. I know folks who've used and voluntarily quit. I also know many who can't seem to stay on the wagon, whether it's drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, unhealthy food etc. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:43:32 AM EDT
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In this thread I learned that inhaling chemicals can't cause diseases. So people who inhale asbestos don't actually contract diseases either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is a disease, there really is no way to argue that it is not, unless you are a complete fucking idiot. I've seen people die this disease, and some people are more predisposed to be addicts than others. On the other hand OP, I do understand your annoyance for the snowflakes on facebook that like to talk about their 'recovery'. Whenever I see that bullshit, I tell them to call me when they get their five year token, then they've accomplished something, and until then, to shut the fuck up and listen to people that are smarter than they are. And for the record, I'm not an addict, but I worked with them for more than five years. These are known disease vectors. Inhalation, injection or ingestion are not. That kinda rules out drug use and alcoholism as diseases. So people who inhale asbestos don't actually contract diseases either. Unless of course, someone is inhaling asbestos to get high. You can inhale, ingest or inject something like Tuberculosis. And Tuberculosis is actually a disease caused by a bacteria. Here's a pic of the TB Bacteria: 
Please show me the one that causes drug or alcohol addiction. It should be very simple if, in fact, Drug abuse or Alcoholism are diseases. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:49:46 AM EDT
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It's one of them diseases that gets rid of the undesirables Like AIDS or obesity All diseases have something in common. You catch them. You don't catch obesity or addiction. The genetic component is also bullshit. I laugh at people who decry global warming yet embrace the belief that addictions are a disease. Both fostered by science to make a buck. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:50:43 AM EDT
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You great ignorance shines brightly in your statement. Unless of course, someone is inhaling asbestos to get high. You can inhale, ingest or inject something like Tuberculosis. And Tuberculosis is actually a disease caused by a bacteria. Here's a pic of the TB Bacteria: http://i.imgur.com/leo55K5.png Please show me the one that causes drug or alcohol addiction. It should be very simple if, in fact, Drug abuse or Alcoholism are diseases. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is a disease, there really is no way to argue that it is not, unless you are a complete fucking idiot. I've seen people die this disease, and some people are more predisposed to be addicts than others. On the other hand OP, I do understand your annoyance for the snowflakes on facebook that like to talk about their 'recovery'. Whenever I see that bullshit, I tell them to call me when they get their five year token, then they've accomplished something, and until then, to shut the fuck up and listen to people that are smarter than they are. And for the record, I'm not an addict, but I worked with them for more than five years. These are known disease vectors. Inhalation, injection or ingestion are not. That kinda rules out drug use and alcoholism as diseases. So people who inhale asbestos don't actually contract diseases either. Unless of course, someone is inhaling asbestos to get high. You can inhale, ingest or inject something like Tuberculosis. And Tuberculosis is actually a disease caused by a bacteria. Here's a pic of the TB Bacteria: http://i.imgur.com/leo55K5.png Please show me the one that causes drug or alcohol addiction. It should be very simple if, in fact, Drug abuse or Alcoholism are diseases. Now you're doubling down on retardation. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 1:06:48 AM EDT
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You said inhalants can't cause disease, that is false. Now you're doubling down on retardation. I said they weren't vectors like bacteria, parasites, viruses, microbes etc. Reading is fundamental, understanding what you're reading more so. I never said inhalants didn't cause disease, I said they weren't vectors like bacteria etc. BTW: Still waiting for the pics of the bacteria, parasites, viruses, microbes etc. that cause drug or alcohol addition. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 1:13:15 AM EDT
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No, that's not true. I said they weren't vectors like bacteria, parasites, viruses, microbes etc. Reading is fundamental, understanding what you're reading more so. I never said inhalants didn't cause disease, I said they weren't vectors like bacteria etc. BTW: Still waiting for the pics of the bacteria, parasites, viruses, microbes etc. that cause drug or alcohol addition. Which of these does asbestos fall under? I don't really expect a sensible response and don't care if you offer one. I've yet to read anything from you that wasn't asinine. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 1:40:14 AM EDT
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There's vastly more evidence that supports the disease model than exists to refute it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 1:43:00 AM EDT
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According to you the causes of diseases are "gene, organism, parasite, virus, bacteria or microbe". Which of these does asbestos fall under? I don't really expect a sensible response and don't care if you offer one. I've yet to read anything from you that wasn't asinine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, that's not true. I said they weren't vectors like bacteria, parasites, viruses, microbes etc. Reading is fundamental, understanding what you're reading more so. I never said inhalants didn't cause disease, I said they weren't vectors like bacteria etc. BTW: Still waiting for the pics of the bacteria, parasites, viruses, microbes etc. that cause drug or alcohol addition. Which of these does asbestos fall under? I don't really expect a sensible response and don't care if you offer one. I've yet to read anything from you that wasn't asinine. Asbestos is a fiber with creates an inflammation that results in Asbestosis, a chronic lung disease caused by inhaling asbestos fibers As a fiber it causes Asbestosis which is a scarring of lung tissue, It's also a carcinogen that can cause Mesothelioma, Lung Cancer, Laryngeal Cancer Not that any of that is relevant to whether or not Drug Addition or Alcoholism is a disease. Inhalation, Ingestion, Absorption and Inhalation are transmission routes. Disease agents are genes, organisms, parasites, viruses, bacteria or microbes. Now, if Drug addiction or Alcoholism is a disease, there would be a gene, organism, parasite, virus, bacteria, microbe etc. that causes it. I provided a pic of the Tuberculosis virus. All I'm asking is for you to post a pic of the disease agent that causes Drug Addition or Alcoholism. Is it possible for you the do that? It should be a simple task......... |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 1:51:38 AM EDT
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You're unable to defend your position, so you're reduced to changing the subject and avoiding answering the question. Asbestos is a fiber with creates an inflammation that results in Asbestosis, a chronic lung disease caused by inhaling asbestos fibers As a fiber it causes Asbestosis which is a scarring of lung tissue, It's also a carcinogen that can cause Mesothelioma, Lung Cancer, Laryngeal Cancer Not that any of that is relevant to whether or not Drug Addition or Alcoholism is a disease. Inhalation, Ingestion, Absorption and Inhalation are transmission routes. Disease agents are genes, organisms, parasites, viruses, bacteria or microbes. Now, if Drug addiction or Alcoholism is a disease, there would be a gene, organism, parasite, virus, bacteria, microbe etc. that causes it. I provided a pic of the Tuberculosis virus. All I'm asking is for you to post a pic of the disease agent that causes Drug Addition or Alcoholism. Is it possible for you the do that? It should be a simple task......... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, that's not true. I said they weren't vectors like bacteria, parasites, viruses, microbes etc. Reading is fundamental, understanding what you're reading more so. I never said inhalants didn't cause disease, I said they weren't vectors like bacteria etc. BTW: Still waiting for the pics of the bacteria, parasites, viruses, microbes etc. that cause drug or alcohol addition. Which of these does asbestos fall under? I don't really expect a sensible response and don't care if you offer one. I've yet to read anything from you that wasn't asinine. Asbestos is a fiber with creates an inflammation that results in Asbestosis, a chronic lung disease caused by inhaling asbestos fibers As a fiber it causes Asbestosis which is a scarring of lung tissue, It's also a carcinogen that can cause Mesothelioma, Lung Cancer, Laryngeal Cancer Not that any of that is relevant to whether or not Drug Addition or Alcoholism is a disease. Inhalation, Ingestion, Absorption and Inhalation are transmission routes. Disease agents are genes, organisms, parasites, viruses, bacteria or microbes. Now, if Drug addiction or Alcoholism is a disease, there would be a gene, organism, parasite, virus, bacteria, microbe etc. that causes it. I provided a pic of the Tuberculosis virus. All I'm asking is for you to post a pic of the disease agent that causes Drug Addition or Alcoholism. Is it possible for you the do that? It should be a simple task......... That you disagree with me is fine, the day you and I agree on something, that's when I'll start to worry. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 1:59:23 AM EDT
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So, to the OP. It's not as easy as "look you weak fuck just stop". If it were, I would have. Trust me. Is it a disease? It's a mental disease with a physical addiction. It's not curable. It is manageable for certain persons who can hit bottom and get honest with themselves. Left untreated the person who has it will lose everything, end up in prison and or dead. :) |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:03:00 AM EDT
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So... If someone smokes for years and gets lung cancer, is that cancer still a disease? Since they directly caused it by smoking, and would likely not have developed cancer otherwise. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:07:53 AM EDT
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Really? Yes, because they now have a degenerative organ condition. The same as if a heroin addict contracts AIDS from using dirty needles to shoot up. They now have a disease. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So... If someone smokes for years and gets lung cancer, is that cancer still a disease? Since they directly caused it by smoking, and would likely not have developed cancer otherwise. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:08:57 AM EDT
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You're unable to defend your position, so you're reduced to changing the subject and avoiding answering the question. Asbestos is a fiber with creates an inflammation that results in Asbestosis, a chronic lung disease caused by inhaling asbestos fibers As a fiber it causes Asbestosis which is a scarring of lung tissue, It's also a carcinogen that can cause Mesothelioma, Lung Cancer, Laryngeal Cancer Not that any of that is relevant to whether or not Drug Addition or Alcoholism is a disease. Inhalation, Ingestion, Absorption and Inhalation are transmission routes. Disease agents are genes, organisms, parasites, viruses, bacteria or microbes. Now, if Drug addiction or Alcoholism is a disease, there would be a gene, organism, parasite, virus, bacteria, microbe etc. that causes it. I provided a pic of the Tuberculosis virus. All I'm asking is for you to post a pic of the disease agent that causes Drug Addition or Alcoholism. Is it possible for you the do that? It should be a simple task......... Quote HistoryQuoted:
You're unable to defend your position, so you're reduced to changing the subject and avoiding answering the question. Asbestos is a fiber with creates an inflammation that results in Asbestosis, a chronic lung disease caused by inhaling asbestos fibers As a fiber it causes Asbestosis which is a scarring of lung tissue, It's also a carcinogen that can cause Mesothelioma, Lung Cancer, Laryngeal Cancer Not that any of that is relevant to whether or not Drug Addition or Alcoholism is a disease. Inhalation, Ingestion, Absorption and Inhalation are transmission routes. Disease agents are genes, organisms, parasites, viruses, bacteria or microbes. Now, if Drug addiction or Alcoholism is a disease, there would be a gene, organism, parasite, virus, bacteria, microbe etc. that causes it. I provided a pic of the Tuberculosis virus. All I'm asking is for you to post a pic of the disease agent that causes Drug Addition or Alcoholism. Is it possible for you the do that? It should be a simple task......... Quoted:
Ok, I don't like talking in circles with people like you. That you disagree with me is fine, the day you and I agree on something, that's when I'll start to worry. My post is straightforward and directly to the point. Please provide proof that Drug Addition/Alcoholism is a disease as you state. It's as simple as providing a picture of the causative agent. All diseases have them. Or do people like you just make unsubstantiated statements they are unable to back up? Only to change the subject or insult those who dare to question the validity of your statements? |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:10:21 AM EDT
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There is no talking in circles. My post is straightforward and directly to the point. Please provide proof that Drug Addition/Alcoholism is a disease as you state. It's as simple as providing a picture of the causative agent. All diseases have them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're unable to defend your position, so you're reduced to changing the subject and avoiding answering the question. Asbestos is a fiber with creates an inflammation that results in Asbestosis, a chronic lung disease caused by inhaling asbestos fibers As a fiber it causes Asbestosis which is a scarring of lung tissue, It's also a carcinogen that can cause Mesothelioma, Lung Cancer, Laryngeal Cancer Not that any of that is relevant to whether or not Drug Addition or Alcoholism is a disease. Inhalation, Ingestion, Absorption and Inhalation are transmission routes. Disease agents are genes, organisms, parasites, viruses, bacteria or microbes. Now, if Drug addiction or Alcoholism is a disease, there would be a gene, organism, parasite, virus, bacteria, microbe etc. that causes it. I provided a pic of the Tuberculosis virus. All I'm asking is for you to post a pic of the disease agent that causes Drug Addition or Alcoholism. Is it possible for you the do that? It should be a simple task......... Quoted:
Ok, I don't like talking in circles with people like you. That you disagree with me is fine, the day you and I agree on something, that's when I'll start to worry. My post is straightforward and directly to the point. Please provide proof that Drug Addition/Alcoholism is a disease as you state. It's as simple as providing a picture of the causative agent. All diseases have them. Addiction is at its heart a mental illness, a compulsion to engage in a self destructive activity. As we grow to better understand the human brain and genetic code, we'll be able to predict with a high degree of accuracy a persons proclivity towards becoming addicted to certain substances. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:12:12 AM EDT
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It's a disease in the sense that it slowly kills you. Or what ever I could go on all day. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:17:57 AM EDT
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What causes schizophrenia smart guy? It's not known what causes schizophrenia, but researchers believe that a combination of genetics, brain chemistry and environment contributes to development of the disorder. It's not a disease though, it's a mental disorder. Addiction is at its heart a mental illness, a compulsion to engage in a self destructive activity. So you agree that it's not a disease and instead a mental disorder? As we grow to better understand the human brain and genetic code, we'll be able to predict with a high degree of accuracy a persons proclivity towards becoming addicted to certain substances. It'd be great if you could actually stay on the subject. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:20:03 AM EDT
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Still waiting for your pics of the causative agent of Drug Abuse/Alcholism. It'd be great if you could actually stay on the subject. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What causes schizophrenia smart guy? It's not known what causes schizophrenia, but researchers believe that a combination of genetics, brain chemistry and environment contributes to development of the disorder. It's not a disease though, it's a mental disorder. Addiction is at its heart a mental illness, a compulsion to engage in a self destructive activity. As we grow to better understand the human brain and genetic code, we'll be able to predict with a high degree of accuracy a persons proclivity towards becoming addicted to certain substances. It'd be great if you could actually stay on the subject. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:22:02 AM EDT
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What causes schizophrenia smart guy? It's not known what causes schizophrenia, but researchers believe that a combination of genetics, brain chemistry and environment contributes to development of the disorder. It's not a disease though, it's a mental disorder. Addiction is at its heart a mental illness, a compulsion to engage in a self destructive activity. As we grow to better understand the human brain and genetic code, we'll be able to predict with a high degree of accuracy a persons proclivity towards becoming addicted to certain substances. It'd be great if you could actually stay on the subject. It'd be great if you could actually stay on the subject and post without trite little insults, they make you harder to take seriously |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:22:34 AM EDT
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In this thread I learned that taking a prescribed painkiller makes one a "libtard".
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:25:08 AM EDT
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Still waiting for your pics of the causative agent of Drug Abuse/Alcoholism. It'd be great if you could actually stay on the subject and post without trite little insults, they make you harder to take seriously Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What causes schizophrenia smart guy? It's not known what causes schizophrenia, but researchers believe that a combination of genetics, brain chemistry and environment contributes to development of the disorder. It's not a disease though, it's a mental disorder. Addiction is at its heart a mental illness, a compulsion to engage in a self destructive activity. As we grow to better understand the human brain and genetic code, we'll be able to predict with a high degree of accuracy a persons proclivity towards becoming addicted to certain substances. It'd be great if you could actually stay on the subject. It'd be great if you could actually stay on the subject and post without trite little insults, they make you harder to take seriously |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:26:57 AM EDT
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In this thread I learned that taking a prescribed painkiller makes one a "libtard". It's baffling to see how much they've bought into the propaganda that stems from old school progressive policy. Prohibition was always pushed by hard left governments and now it's an American right wing plank. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:27:06 AM EDT
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Dunno about this question in particular, and don't care to engage in it...... but what I DO know and I am quite tired of hearing for the last 30 years, is how everybody is a friggin victim! "It's NOT their fault." Like as if they were just walking along and a fucking needle jumped into their arm.
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:35:18 AM EDT
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yes, yea pain hurts, ive had enough to know. suck it up. or pop pills... everyone has a choice. i just had major shoulder surgery, and took some tylenol.. that was it, i refuse narcotics. That is about a dumbest thing I've read on Arfcom this year..
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:39:52 AM EDT
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In the case of Opiods in particular, I somewhat disagree with the "fuck them they chose to do pills". I can give you a personal example.
In like 2009 I was working one day, twisted my knee kinda funny and felt this insane pain shoot through it, causing me to collapse on the spot. I chilled for a few since I had no clue what had happened, and even though it hurt like a bitch kept working. Later that day it seemed to "click" back into place and so I felt I was fine. Then it started happening more and more, until it popped out of joint (or so I thought) and I couldn't put pressure on it and finally had my mom drive me to the ER. Come to find out, I had torn my meniscus and needed surgery. The doc shot a load of cortisone into my knee cap, and promptly handed me a prescription for 120 5mg Vicodin with I think 1 refill, with instructions to take one every like 3 hours or something like that. I remember how many it was, because I only ended up using like 20 of them that week and had surgery the next and was on my marry way a few weeks later. But dwell on that for a moment. A doctor prescribed essentially a 2 month supply of 120 5mg Vicodin and then another doctor wrote a script for like 30, 10mg perks after the surgery a few weeks later to a 19 year old guy. At 19, it was a temptation for sure but I knew too many pill addicts at the time to want to abuse them. For several years it was a major problem, and in VA before they were able to track what narcotic prescriptions you were getting there were a ton of people doctor shopping. I had a neighbor who let a guy stay with him since he was down on his luck. We hung out with the guy a few times, and one day we were looking at stuff in the pawnshop near our apartment, and my roommate and I discovered our Ipod touches for sale, along with our neighbors Wii and Xbox and a bunch of other shit. Not only was he going to 3 doctors, and had 4-5 prescriptions for strong painkillers, but he was also stealing shit to pay for heroin on the side. How his multiple doctors missed his infected ass tract marks were beyond us. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:53:51 AM EDT
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What causes schizophrenia smart guy? It's not known what causes schizophrenia, but researchers believe that a combination of genetics, brain chemistry and environment contributes to development of the disorder. It's not a disease though, it's a mental disorder. Addiction is at its heart a mental illness, a compulsion to engage in a self destructive activity. As we grow to better understand the human brain and genetic code, we'll be able to predict with a high degree of accuracy a persons proclivity towards becoming addicted to certain substances. It'd be great if you could actually stay on the subject. It'd be great if you could actually stay on the subject and post without trite little insults, they make you harder to take seriously All I asked is for you to prove you point and base it on facts. Too bad you couldn't |
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