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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:15:29 PM EDT
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Semantics is my favorite type of argument |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:15:49 PM EDT
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yes, yea pain hurts, ive had enough to know. suck it up. or pop pills... everyone has a choice. i just had major shoulder surgery, and took some tylenol.. that was it, i refuse narcotics. That vicodin took the pain away but made my guts churn. Bad experience. I'll stick to more 'natural' remedies 
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:16:07 PM EDT
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The shit you did to get you there is a choice. Getting addicted is a fucking choice. Staying addicted is a choice to continue to be weak and give into your shitty urges. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:16:47 PM EDT
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In before the drug addicts. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:17:06 PM EDT
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its a mental disorder
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:17:16 PM EDT
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Op is ignorant. I do not need that coverage since I am not a fucked up druggie. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:17:25 PM EDT
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You speak like someone that has precisely 0% experience or information on addiction. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The shit you did to get you there is a choice. Getting addicted is a fucking choice. Staying addicted is a choice to continue to be weak and give into your shitty urges. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:17:56 PM EDT
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>voluntarily takes addictive drugs
>gets addicted Muh disease |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:18:14 PM EDT
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Damn read first page too slow |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:18:19 PM EDT
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C'mon Carfentinal you can do it!
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:18:45 PM EDT
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Drug Addiction Is Not A Disease
It's A Weakness Stop Making Excuses |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:19:44 PM EDT
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In before 4473 question E liars
ETA: wait, he's already here on page 1 
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:20:13 PM EDT
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Wow, they capitalized every word in that sentence, so it must be true! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Drug Addiction Is Not A Disease
It's A Weakness Stop Making Excuses |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:20:16 PM EDT
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Webster definition of "Allergy": exaggerated or pathological immunological reaction (as by sneezing, difficult breathing, itching, or skin rashes) to substances, situations, or physical states that are without comparable effect on the average individual.Addiction is considered an allergy. Just curios why you're so butt hurt about what someone calls it.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:20:41 PM EDT
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I've always thought I should become an alcoholic, go on a huge binge and then go away to a five star rehab center for a month all paid for by everyone else, cuz disease.
Then I would be brave. So very brave. Everyone would say how brave I was. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:20:46 PM EDT
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In before 4473 question E liars Worthless, loser junkies already showing up. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:21:31 PM EDT
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Addicts make a choice to stay addicted every day.
People with legitimate diseases don't choose to stay diseased. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:21:38 PM EDT
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OP is correct - Cancer is a disease , being a drunk or a druggie is a choice
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:22:23 PM EDT
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What drugs are you addicted to? Do you own guns? Hypocrite. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:22:30 PM EDT
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Drug abuse is a disease
Alcohol abuse is a disease and soon Pedophilia is a disease Easy to see where this is going........ |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:22:46 PM EDT
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What drugs are you addicted to? Do you own guns? Hypocrite. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:22:48 PM EDT
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I would argue that an addictive personality is genetic like most diseases. Be it alcohol, cigarettes, sex, porn, gambling, tattoos, etc... There are studies that show an alcoholic usually has alcoholic parents an example. That being said....the whole "I cant help it, I have a disease" argument is BS. I placed blame on myself and only myself when I was addicted to opiates. It took ME to change that. I didn't use the 'I have a disease' card when I was having a difficult time. People need to man up and admit their failures and accept responsibility. Giving them another excuse to show it's not their fault is ridiculous. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:23:03 PM EDT
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Does it really matter what it is called? Good people don't become drunks and junkies so I could give a fuck less how they rationalize their weakness and failings one way or the other.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:23:42 PM EDT
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Whole lotta stupid in this thread.
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Does it really matter what it is called? Good people don't become drunks and junkies so I could give a fuck less how they rationalize their weakness and failings one way or the other. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:23:59 PM EDT
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A huge % of people prescribed painkillers by legit dr's become addicted. Are they dope fiends? 
16'er please |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:23:59 PM EDT
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In before the drug addicts. 
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:26:30 PM EDT
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Its a little more complicated than OP suggests and each individual situation is different but OP is more right than wrong.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:26:39 PM EDT
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And important. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:27:48 PM EDT
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This is the part I hate. People that "poor poor me, I have a disease" made me want to puke when I went to rehab. Some of those people in group and in the NA rooms are broken, and attention whores...but that's a whole 'nother thread. I placed blame on myself and only myself when I was addicted to opiates. It took ME to change that. I didn't use the 'I have a disease' card when I was having a difficult time. People need to man up and admit their failures and accept responsibility. Giving them another excuse to show it's not their fault is ridiculous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would argue that an addictive personality is genetic like most diseases. Be it alcohol, cigarettes, sex, porn, gambling, tattoos, etc... There are studies that show an alcoholic usually has alcoholic parents an example. That being said....the whole "I cant help it, I have a disease" argument is BS. I placed blame on myself and only myself when I was addicted to opiates. It took ME to change that. I didn't use the 'I have a disease' card when I was having a difficult time. People need to man up and admit their failures and accept responsibility. Giving them another excuse to show it's not their fault is ridiculous. Accepting the reality that addiction is a disease doesn't mean that you have to accept it as an excuse. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:29:47 PM EDT
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i shit cement from that stuff, i took one after knee surgery in 2010.
and regretted it for a few days, drugs are for the weak. there maybe times sure its needed. like car wreck trauma where your on a deathbed, but for average shit NO its for the weak minded , cant deal with reality Libtards Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm with you. I used one single painpill when I broke some ribs. That vicodin took the pain away but made my guts churn. Bad experience. I'll stick to more 'natural' remedies |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:29:49 PM EDT
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Somebody please, define what a disease is.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:31:08 PM EDT
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Every thing is a disease now, where's ma disability check
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:31:12 PM EDT
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FWIW, I completely agree with you on the point of personal responsibility. That said, to say addiction isn't a disease requires a person to ignore science and the definitions that English speakers have universally agreed on. Accepting the reality that addiction is a disease doesn't mean that you have to accept it as an excuse. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:32:14 PM EDT
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How dare you try to take away their victim card. It's not their fault!
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:32:36 PM EDT
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Similarly, ignorance is a choice. If someone chooses to be ignorant and believe anyone who's ever been addicted to a drug is a "worthless junkie", that's their choice. I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to be ignorant, it's just stupid. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:34:35 PM EDT
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FWIW, I completely agree with you on the point of personal responsibility. That said, to say addiction isn't a disease requires a person to ignore science and the definitions that English speakers have universally agreed on. Accepting the reality that addiction is a disease doesn't mean that you have to accept it as an excuse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would argue that an addictive personality is genetic like most diseases. Be it alcohol, cigarettes, sex, porn, gambling, tattoos, etc... There are studies that show an alcoholic usually has alcoholic parents an example. That being said....the whole "I cant help it, I have a disease" argument is BS. I placed blame on myself and only myself when I was addicted to opiates. It took ME to change that. I didn't use the 'I have a disease' card when I was having a difficult time. People need to man up and admit their failures and accept responsibility. Giving them another excuse to show it's not their fault is ridiculous. Accepting the reality that addiction is a disease doesn't mean that you have to accept it as an excuse. I also agree with you to an extent as some people are predisposed towards the habits. I just don't like the classification that it's a disease. you know, you and I are supposed to completely disagree when it comes to this subject...as we have in the past. 
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:34:51 PM EDT
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It's a physical habit, not a disease Yes stopping the behavior can stop the damage, but the underlying issue still remains. Real scientific research supports this. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:34:58 PM EDT
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Somebody please, define what a disease is. 1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment. Weird, nothing in there saying the choice to voluntarily make a dumb-fuck decision to shoot up heroin being a disease. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:36:34 PM EDT
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I like it when they call shit like Gambling Addiction a disease.
All part of making sure nothing is ever anyone's own fault. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:38:52 PM EDT
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Similarly, ignorance is a choice. If someone chooses to be ignorant and believe anyone who's ever been addicted to a drug is a "worthless junkie", that's their choice. I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to be ignorant, it's just stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FWIW, I completely agree with you on the point of personal responsibility. That said, to say addiction isn't a disease requires a person to ignore science and the definitions that English speakers have universally agreed on. Accepting the reality that addiction is a disease doesn't mean that you have to accept it as an excuse. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:39:50 PM EDT
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Drug abuse is a disease Alcohol abuse is a disease and soon Pedophilia is a disease Easy to see where this is going........ Folk psychology makes powerful predictions with little information. When science discovers more information, it often fucks up the crude axioms of the old system. In a spherical vacuum, science knows more; but in practice, while the new models are being constructed for mass use, a lot of old people suffer with broken models. Decision making isn't acausal agency. Deal with it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:39:54 PM EDT
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Somebody please, define what a disease is. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:40:54 PM EDT
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noun 1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment. Weird, nothing in there saying the choice to voluntarily make a dumb-fuck decision to shoot up heroin being a disease. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:41:02 PM EDT
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Messrs. Dunning and Kruger to the front desk please.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:41:25 PM EDT
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THis thread gon b gud
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:42:09 PM EDT
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Glad we agree on the part in red. I just hate it when people use that term as a crutch when they fall off the wagon. I also agree with you to an extent as some people are predisposed towards the habits. I just don't like the classification that it's a disease. you know, you and I are supposed to completely disagree when it comes to this subject...as we have in the past. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would argue that an addictive personality is genetic like most diseases. Be it alcohol, cigarettes, sex, porn, gambling, tattoos, etc... There are studies that show an alcoholic usually has alcoholic parents an example. That being said....the whole "I cant help it, I have a disease" argument is BS. I placed blame on myself and only myself when I was addicted to opiates. It took ME to change that. I didn't use the 'I have a disease' card when I was having a difficult time. People need to man up and admit their failures and accept responsibility. Giving them another excuse to show it's not their fault is ridiculous. Accepting the reality that addiction is a disease doesn't mean that you have to accept it as an excuse. I also agree with you to an extent as some people are predisposed towards the habits. I just don't like the classification that it's a disease. you know, you and I are supposed to completely disagree when it comes to this subject...as we have in the past. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:42:12 PM EDT
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noun 1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment. Weird, nothing in there saying the choice to voluntarily make a dumb-fuck decision to shoot up heroin being a disease. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Somebody please, define what a disease is. 1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment. Weird, nothing in there saying the choice to voluntarily make a dumb-fuck decision to shoot up heroin being a disease. 
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:42:55 PM EDT
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The truth of the matter is a bit of both in varying portions. In many people it is definitely a character flaw and a behavioral malfeasance. The problem with the "disease model" is that it enables bad behavior quite often. Junkies always blame everyone and everything but themselves. The road to recovery starts with owning your bad behavior. The disease model, if used as a treatment paradigm, can help providers facilitate recovery but only if the bad behavior portion of the issue is acknowledged and accepted.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:43:37 PM EDT
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The modern disease theory of alcoholism states that problem drinking is sometimes caused by a disease of the brain, characterized by altered brain structure and function. The American Medical Association (AMA) declared that alcoholism was an illness in 1956. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:44:07 PM EDT
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being addicted to drugs is a dependency on a substance which creates a mental state of warmth, comfort or happiness. these chemicals work because the human brain is a chemical factory itself, manufacturing small quantities of complex chemicals which affect and influence our behavior. these self manufactured chemicals are released when we succeed at something, or win at some physical contest, or something happens which is to our benefit. artificial drugs do the same thing in the brain, only to a much greater effect. to sum up, taking drugs gives us a mental "feel good" reward when no effort is made, and the euphoria is much greater because the brain does not produce as much of these chemicals as what drug addicts put into their bodies. is it a disease? not really, it is short circuiting life's tasks, challenges, and surprises. the downside is that these chemicals make their hosts feel too good, and people don't need or want anything else. this is how I understand drug and alcohol addiction.
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