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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:01:30 PM EDT
[#1]
probably. this is assuming everyone gets taxed the same for healthcare. unfortunately it will be like it is now which is essentially single payer. people that work subsidise for deadbeats that dont pay shit and consume all the healthcare.. If i had to buy insurance on the open market it would be insane. if you make any kind of money and dont get a subsidy from the gubment your paying out the ass. i know people paying bout a grand a month for them and a spouse for the shittiest insurance. of course i used to be able to buy a decent plan for under 200 a month. the whole point of obamacare was to force the single payer issue.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:12:21 PM EDT
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Those of us already paying nearly 50% in income taxes will be the ones footing the bill for those who are paying essentially zero; how's that work out for us "working wounded"?
Thinking the .gov is capable of running this country's healthcare system is beyond retarded. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:13:33 PM EDT
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If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until it's free.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:17:22 PM EDT
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If everyone had insurance and paid their share it would likely cost less for everyone.
but: The .gov has never been known for it's efficiency or logic. Putting them in charge of deciding who gets what and who's going to get paid how much sounds like a disaster on large scale. Then there is the whole freedom thing. Do you want the .gov meddling in your health care, making the decisions for you? The free market economy works fine - when it's allowed to. It will work for health care if the .gov would let it. There is nothing wrong with drs and hospitals and clinics etc. making a profit. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:20:42 PM EDT
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I come from the country that invented single payer. Trust me - you don't want it.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:21:04 PM EDT
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Listening to the radio today and I turned it to the liberal talk show to get my fix of autistic screeching and they were saying that the tax increase to pay for single payer would cost less then current premiums. I'm no expert but I find that hard to believe. Anyone think this is true? Sounds like typical leftist bullshit to me. Even if it were, it'd still be wrong. Liberty, federalism, rule of law, and all of that good stuff. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:23:24 PM EDT
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Think about the people currently in the congress. How many of them would you trust with your credit card? I am sure it is a very small number. Why would you trust them with anything concerning the health and well being of your family? It is absolutely ludicrus to think they can solve anything. The lot of them has the one and only priority to get re-elected. That's it. They don't care if you live or die or if your child lives or dies as long as they remain in washington with some similance of power over the masses.
DRAIN the swamp.......... . |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:24:36 PM EDT
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Single payer would be both more expensive and shittier.
This is because almost everything central planning touches turns to shit. Anyone who doesn't start discussion from that position on the nature of central planning can't be taken seriously and has no business being involved in decision-making. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:24:45 PM EDT
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Forcing me to purchase a product would not be cheaper than not purchasing it.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:25:08 PM EDT
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Of course it would be cheaper for 'most' people. Half this country doesn't even pay federal income tax. Why do you think it has so much traction? The government already pays the majority of these people's medical bills.
Biased source but whatever: Tax-funded expenditures accounted for 64.3 percent of U.S. health spending – about $1.9 trillion – in 2013, according to new data published today [Thursday, Jan. 21] in the American Journal of Public Health. The Affordable Care Act will push that figure even higher by 2024, when government’s share of U.S. health spending is expected to rise to 67.3 percent. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:25:15 PM EDT
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I just wonder if the OP supports Doctors becoming Big Government Slaves because Big Government would not stop at enslaving just doctors.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:26:35 PM EDT
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It will be dirt cheap, because they would ration medical care.
Your grandma broke her hip, if she's still alive in 6 to 12 months, they will get her scheduled. Had a stroke, need physical therapy, and assisted-living? No problem, they will put you on a four month waiting list and you will probably die. Saves money. Do you have blood coming out of your asshole? They will get a colonoscopy done by the time the cancer metastasizes. You're welcome. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:27:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:29:38 PM EDT
[#14]
How could it be less expensive than free? The people who pay for healthcare would pay more and get worse care.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:29:41 PM EDT
[#15]
Probably, because so few foot the bill for so many.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:32:54 PM EDT
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If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until it's free. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:41:06 PM EDT
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As with all social programs the answer is simple. It is dirt cheap for those receiving the entitlement who have little/no income. Not cheap for the workers/taxpayers. There are of course a few exceptions, especially for those who can hide income.
Entitlements have grown way out of control and are here to stay. Can't put toothpaste back in the tube. Republican politicians are as much to blame as the libtards. 
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:43:59 PM EDT
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It will be dirt cheap, because they would ration medical care. Your grandma broke her hip, if she's still alive in 6 to 12 months, they will get her scheduled. Had a stroke, need physical therapy, and assisted-living? No problem, they will put you on a four month waiting list and you will probably die. Saves money. Do you have blood coming out of your asshole? They will get a colonoscopy done by the time the cancer metastasizes. You're welcome.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:47:45 PM EDT
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Healthcare is a privilege, not a right. You should not be able to force me to waste my time and resources to see you, the patient. If you do drugs, eat like shit, and come in every other day of the week to bitch and never listen to my medical advice, why the hell should I not be able to fire you as a patient?
Single payer would exacerbate a lot of problems. Just a few of my gripes: 1) bureaucrats/office workers dictating what is medically "necessary" and what it should cost 2) healthcare leeches who drive up costs for everyone else on the taxpayer dime |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:54:46 PM EDT
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It will be dirt cheap, because they would ration medical care. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:56:13 PM EDT
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Those of us already paying nearly 50% in income taxes will be the ones footing the bill for those who are paying essentially zero; how's that work out for us "working wounded"? Thinking the .gov is capable of running this country's healthcare system is beyond retarded. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:58:22 PM EDT
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I doubt it. Government never comes in under budget.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:10:58 PM EDT
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I remember when peopled worked for a company for "less money" than the competition but had kick ass benefits like great insurance and paid sick days. I think the last "statement' Dad got before he retired had him making $32 an hour when you add up all the insurances (health/life) and vacation/holiday pay.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:16:17 PM EDT
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Probably been said already, but cheaper for who?
If the payer mix doesn't change and a significant portion of our populace continues to not pay their fair share, but now has access to even greater healthcare resources than they currently do, then we could presumably expect the tax payers that fund the current healthcare system would more than likely pay more thus making it more expensive for them while those that currently pay little to nothing would continue to pay little to nothing. You could also simply keep the funding mix the same, but [forcefully] reduce the consumption of healthcare resources by those financing the system and redistribute those resources to those who don't fund the system thus keeping the cost relatively flat while redistributing resource consumption (this is what Obamacare attempts (partially) to do). The funders of the system aren't paying more, but they are getting fewer resources so you can make the argument that per capita costs have risen. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:29:43 PM EDT
[#25]
It's all rainbows and unicorns when they are pushing an agenda.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:33:55 PM EDT
[#26]
Ever read any news stories about VA hospitals?
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:34:46 PM EDT
[#27]
Of course. When hasn't extensive government intervention lowered costs and increased quality?
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:37:15 PM EDT
[#28]
I think universal healthcare is inevitable. The Democrats will continue to go commie and when they get back in power, whenever that is, they will pass it.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:41:12 PM EDT
[#29]
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I think universal healthcare is inevitable. The Democrats will continue to go commie and when they get back in power, whenever that is, they will pass it. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:46:10 PM EDT
[#30]
No way they would be able to sustain it without raising taxes by an astronomical amount, or cut services.
Or both. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:48:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I think universal healthcare is inevitable. The Democrats will continue to go commie and when they get back in power, whenever that is, they will pass it. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:53:58 PM EDT
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Lol, yeah right. They'll take the same broken system and just nationalize the billing end of it while mandating and normalizing the coverage levels. You really think they're going to put the entire insurance industry out of business?
That's what they really want. Control over the cash flow. They don't give a shit about the actual healthcare. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:00:00 PM EDT
[#33]
just walk into any DMV....or VA hospital
the Govt fucks everything up . |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:00:38 PM EDT
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I just wonder if the OP supports Doctors becoming Big Government Slaves because Big Government would not stop at enslaving just doctors. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:03:17 PM EDT
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60% of the public tell pollsters they want it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think universal healthcare is inevitable. The Democrats will continue to go commie and when they get back in power, whenever that is, they will pass it. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:04:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I think universal healthcare is inevitable. The Democrats will continue to go commie and when they get back in power, whenever that is, they will pass it. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:06:54 PM EDT
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Of course it would be cheaper for 'most' people. Half this country doesn't even pay federal income tax. Why do you think it has so much traction? The government already pays the majority of these people's medical bills. Biased source but whatever: http://www.pnhp.org/news/2016/january/government-funds-nearly-two-thirds-of-us-health-care-costs-american-journal-of-pub Quote HistoryQuoted:
Of course it would be cheaper for 'most' people. Half this country doesn't even pay federal income tax. Why do you think it has so much traction? The government already pays the majority of these people's medical bills. Biased source but whatever: Tax-funded expenditures accounted for 64.3 percent of U.S. health spending – about $1.9 trillion – in 2013, according to new data published today [Thursday, Jan. 21] in the American Journal of Public Health. The Affordable Care Act will push that figure even higher by 2024, when government’s share of U.S. health spending is expected to rise to 67.3 percent. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:08:43 PM EDT
[#38]
Only for the moochers.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:14:25 PM EDT
[#39]
It would be cheaper, but it would be vastly lower quality.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:25:13 PM EDT
[#40]
Best way to handle, remove most restrictions and let free market rule with oversight of course.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:26:17 PM EDT
[#41]
If we adopted Single Payer, how many employers who currently give employees a substantial benefits allowance would continue to do so? Assuming SP isn't funded thru some sort of taxation on gainful employment.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:33:09 PM EDT
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It's always going to be cheaper when someone else is paying for it.
The problem is there aren't enough other people to pay for it and free shit rapidly plummets in quality. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:36:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Cheaper in terms of premiums or cheaper in terms of quality of service?
When figuring premiums you have to factor in increase in taxes. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:37:17 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If we adopted Single Payer, how many employers who currently give employees a substantial benefits allowance would continue to do so? Assuming SP isn't funded thru some sort of taxation on gainful employment. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:37:38 PM EDT
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It will be dirt cheap, because they would ration medical care. Your grandma broke her hip, if she's still alive in 6 to 12 months, they will get her scheduled. Had a stroke, need physical therapy, and assisted-living? No problem, they will put you on a four month waiting list and you will probably die. Saves money. Do you have blood coming out of your asshole? They will get a colonoscopy done by the time the cancer metastasizes. You're welcome. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:38:46 PM EDT
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Best way to handle, remove most restrictions and let free market rule with oversight of course. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:41:24 PM EDT
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Cheaper in terms of premiums or cheaper in terms of quality of service? When figuring premiums you have to factor in increase in taxes. A system that provided minimal healthcare to all and allowed the productive classes to purchase supplemental insurance would be workable if people had the will to keep it cheap. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:42:11 PM EDT
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Does the same poll ask them if they're willing to pay an increase in taxes for it? |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:42:32 PM EDT
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Listening to the radio today and I turned it to the liberal talk show to get my fix of autistic screeching and they were saying that the tax increase to pay for single payer would cost less then current premiums. I'm no expert but I find that hard to believe. Anyone think this is true? Sounds like typical leftist bullshit to me. sure, for the lower income brackets. that's exactly what wealth redistribution is. but there's going to be a breakeven point somewhere on the income scale, above which everyone is going to pay more. it's a mathematical inevitability. and that breakeven point is going to be much lower than the dems claim it will be. it won't be "taxing the wealthy to save the poor", it'll be sucking the middle class dry in order to buy low-income votes. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:48:22 PM EDT
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The tax rates to pay for single payer are almost never discussed.
Here is what it would take to pay for it, an average federal tax rate of 29.9% at a minimum. Now scale that with progressive brackets and the middle class will get hit pretty hard, the wealthy with get fucked. Also consider that your employer paid benefit wont translate directly into more take home pay if they decide to pay you more in a single payer situation. Even if your employer paid you the same as they pay for your health insurance, it's now taxable income. You get screwed either way. The bottom line is the working middle class will get HOSED paying for single payer. |
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