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Posted: 6/24/2017 12:48:51 PM EDT
The man sped off, later crashing at a shopping center on Highway 278. He then ran on foot about 100 yards, about halfway across the parking lot when another driver chased him down in his truck, police said. When he finally caught up to the suspect, he pulled a gun and shot the man in the neck, authorities said.
Authorities said instead of taking his own actions, the man should have called police, waited for them to respond and let officers engage “Unless you’re in the situation where suspect is causing you to be in fear of your life or serious bodily injury, or a death, you cannot use deadly force,” Treadwell said. Link |
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Good shoot? View Quote I will defer to the experts but if the suspect had shot a person or persons and then fled maybe as he could be considered a threat to others. But I am not even sure of that in terms of the laws. But an apparently unarmed suspect running away; I think the shooter is in trouble. |
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Probably not a legal shoot, although it should be.
I believe fleeing felons should be subject to deadly force if they do not stop when pursued by police. A lot of dead innocent citizens and officers could be saved if criminals knew police could "shoot on sight" when they flee. |
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Probably not a legal shoot, although it should be. I believe fleeing felons should be subject to deadly force if they do not stop when pursued by police. A lot of dead innocent citizens and officers could be saved if criminals knew police could "shoot on sight" when they flee. View Quote STAY OUT OF POLICE BUSINESS, YOU ARE NOT A COP AND THEY DON'T WANT YOUR HELP, THEY SAY IT ALL THE TIME. |
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Not the smartest move, but the more the justice systems lets criminals get away murder the more citizens are going to start taking things into their own hands.
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Probably not a legal shoot, although it should be. I believe fleeing felons should be subject to deadly force if they do not stop when pursued by police. A lot of dead innocent citizens and officers could be saved if criminals knew police could "shoot on sight" when they flee. View Quote How did he know if it was a plain clothes cop running? I'm picturing the shooter in a lifted truck with a Confederate flag on it.Maybe sporting a mullet as well. |
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He's in big trouble.
He had no right to use deadly force, unless he can articulate there was an immediate and reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm (permanent, long-term disfigurement, broken bones, etc). I'm guessing a guy who thought he could be a good guy and is gonna get pinched for it, unless his attorney can convince a jury he felt OTHERS were in fear as this person was driving in a threatening manner. It's all gonna depend on what he said to the police when they arrived. |
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I personally don't have a problem with what the guy did, but the law does.
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Unless I missed it beyond running from the cops what did the gut do? Let's say you're drunk and driving.... in your drunken state you decide to make another stupid decision and run from the cops. Drunk driving is stupid and so is running from the cops but people think it's a good shot? Just as bad as a liberal.... like it or not our judicial system is part of what made the United States great
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He's in big trouble. He had no right to use deadly force, unless he can articulate there was an immediate and reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm (permanent, long-term disfigurement, broken bones, etc). I'm guessing a guy who thought he could be a good guy and is gonna get pinched for it, unless his attorney can convince a jury he felt OTHERS were in fear as this person was driving in a threatening manner. It's all gonna depend on what he said to the police when they arrived. View Quote The Covington Police Captain mentioned in the article is a pro 2a guy. |
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Call the police? Like they did a good job when they had the chance. This guy got stuff done.
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Good shoot? View Quote Police can't shoot fleeing suspects, much less Joe Citizen. The only time you can use lethal force is when you have a reasonable belief that the person you are shooting poses an imminent threat to your life or the life of another. As in dude has a bloody butcher knife and he's fleeing into a daycare center. If you are the last guy between Butcher Boy and the toddlers, you're probably in the clear to shoot him. But a dude just running from the police who isn't currently firing a weapon or stabbing anyone isn't going to be a good shoot. Generally any time there's a chase before the use of force, it's a bad use of force. Police have a duty to arrest. Joe and Jane citizen do not, and the courts frown upon Joe and Jane chasing down bad people and doing some level of violence to them. Should the courts feel that way is a separate question. Fact is that's the doctrine. Use of lethal force for citizens (and in most situations for police) is limited to a situation where you don't have another reasonable option. In other words, you don't have a choice. Chasing a guy down and shooting him, unless he's kidnapping your child, violates the idea of preclusion. If you can run to chase him you can just as easily run away from him. Etc. |
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I don't give a fuck if he is a felon or not. Speeding in a car trying to elude police putting everyone else on the road in danger. I'm fine with shooting these people all day long.
Albeit he had already crashed vehicle and was on foot it will save us from his next run from police. GOOD SHOOT |
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Jesus. It is obviously not a good shoot. The man in question had no idea why the man was running from the police. It could be because he was carrying drugs, had warrants or 100 other things that are not capital offenses.
What if he killed the guy and the crime he was running from was shoplifting? WTF? You don't have a right to shoot someone unless your life is in danger. The guy deserves a long prison sentence. |
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And since the bad guy was hit instead of several innocent bystanders..................
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I'm picturing the shooter in a lifted truck with a Confederate flag on it.Maybe sporting a mullet as well. Not a good enough pic to see if there was a Confederate Flag.Wrong on the mullet. Can't find any pics of Terence Lee Lenox. |
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The article is too short on details about the interaction between the guy running and the shooter. If he just shot him on general principle he's fucked. If there was some type of violent encounter that he can articulate that will be a different story. Just because you are arrested doesn't mean you'll be charged, and just because you're charged doesn't mean it can't be dropped or beat in court.
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Jesus. It is obviously not a good shoot. The man in question had no idea why the man was running from the police. It could be because he was carrying drugs, had warrants or 100 other things that are not capital offenses. What if he killed the guy and the crime he was running from was shoplifting? WTF? You don't have a right to shoot someone unless your life is in danger. The guy deserves a long prison sentence. View Quote |
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Probably not a legal shoot, although it should be. I believe fleeing felons should be subject to deadly force if they do not stop when pursued by police. A lot of dead innocent citizens and officers could be saved if criminals knew police could "shoot on sight" when they flee. View Quote |
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Jesus. It is obviously not a good shoot. The man in question had no idea why the man was running from the police. It could be because he was carrying drugs, had warrants or 100 other things that are not capital offenses. What if he killed the guy and the crime he was running from was shoplifting? WTF? You don't have a right to shoot someone unless your life is in danger. The guy deserves a long prison sentence. |
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2010 Georgia Code
TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES CHAPTER 3 - DEFENSES TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS ARTICLE 2 - JUSTIFICATION AND EXCUSE § 16-3-21 - Use of force in defense of self or others; evidence of belief that force was necessary in murder or manslaughter prosecution O.C.G.A. 16-3-21 (2010) 16-3-21. Use of force in defense of self or others; evidence of belief that force was necessary in murder or manslaughter prosecution (a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23, a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. 2010 Georgia Code TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES CHAPTER 3 - DEFENSES TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS ARTICLE 2 - JUSTIFICATION AND EXCUSE § 16-3-22 - Immunity from criminal liability of persons rendering assistance to law enforcement officers O.C.G.A. 16-3-22 (2010) 16-3-22. Immunity from criminal liability of persons rendering assistance to law enforcement officers (a) Any person who renders assistance reasonably and in good faith to any law enforcement officer who is being hindered in the performance of his official duties or whose life is being endangered by the conduct of any other person or persons while performing his official duties shall be immune to the same extent as the law enforcement officer from any criminal liability that might otherwise be incurred or imposed as a result of rendering assistance to the law enforcement officer. (b) The official report of the law enforcement agency shall create a rebuttable presumption of good faith and reasonableness on the part of the person who assists the law enforcement officer. (c) The purpose of this Code section is to provide for those persons who act in good faith to assist law enforcement officers whose health and safety is being adversely affected and threatened by the conduct of any other person or persons. This Code section shall be liberally construed so as to carry out the purposes thereof. |
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2010 Georgia Code TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES CHAPTER 3 - DEFENSES TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS ARTICLE 2 - JUSTIFICATION AND EXCUSE § 16-3-21 - Use of force in defense of self or others; evidence of belief that force was necessary in murder or manslaughter prosecution O.C.G.A. 16-3-21 (2010) 16-3-21. Use of force in defense of self or others; evidence of belief that force was necessary in murder or manslaughter prosecution (a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23, a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. 2010 Georgia Code TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES CHAPTER 3 - DEFENSES TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS ARTICLE 2 - JUSTIFICATION AND EXCUSE § 16-3-22 - Immunity from criminal liability of persons rendering assistance to law enforcement officers O.C.G.A. 16-3-22 (2010) 16-3-22. Immunity from criminal liability of persons rendering assistance to law enforcement officers (a) Any person who renders assistance reasonably and in good faith to any law enforcement officer who is being hindered in the performance of his official duties or whose life is being endangered by the conduct of any other person or persons while performing his official duties shall be immune to the same extent as the law enforcement officer from any criminal liability that might otherwise be incurred or imposed as a result of rendering assistance to the law enforcement officer. (b) The official report of the law enforcement agency shall create a rebuttable presumption of good faith and reasonableness on the part of the person who assists the law enforcement officer. (c) The purpose of this Code section is to provide for those persons who act in good faith to assist law enforcement officers whose health and safety is being adversely affected and threatened by the conduct of any other person or persons. This Code section shall be liberally construed so as to carry out the purposes thereof. View Quote |
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Probably not a legal shoot, although it should be. I believe fleeing felons should be subject to deadly force if they do not stop when pursued by police. A lot of dead innocent citizens and officers could be saved if criminals knew police could "shoot on sight" when they flee. |
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