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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:41:38 PM EDT
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outside of a few metropolitan areas, Missouri isn't exactly known to have the sharpest pencils in the box - so, I'm not sure if this is good or bad Why is that? |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:42:14 PM EDT
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yea but, who's gonna pick the vegetables? 
Just like the dems back in the 1850s. "Who is gonna pick my cotton!" Its all about votes, house seats, mass immigration is the 3/5 compromise of the 20th/21th Century. Think of the 6-10 house seats and EC votes that CA alone should not have because they count immigrants, they could be that of red states or not in existence at all, giving us more of an edge. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:45:49 PM EDT
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Where in the Constitution does it say Non American Citizens have any rights? Where in the Constitution does it say Non Citizens have a right to immigrate here? Since it does not, limiting immigration as we see fit is not "UN-Constitutional" nor requires any amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alright then. I'm impressed to hear someone lay it out so plainly. Where in the Constitution does it say Non Citizens have a right to immigrate here? Since it does not, limiting immigration as we see fit is not "UN-Constitutional" nor requires any amendment. ETA: I'd be looking very hard at H1-Bs but I imagine others have different ideas. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:48:49 PM EDT
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outside of a few metropolitan areas, Missouri isn't exactly known to have the sharpest pencils in the box - so, I'm not sure if this is good or bad 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:49:08 PM EDT
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I think limiting it is a good idea. But there is reference to naturalization in the constitution and there is the INA. So my question for the people who are opposed to legal immigration was what would be the plan? Repeal references to naturalization? Amend or repeal and replace the INA? What? I'm curious what kind of changes to legal immigration we're talking about. I think illegal immigration should be the priority but I think I saw someone post legal immigration is worse. I'm curious what the solution would be. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:58:01 PM EDT
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I think limiting it is a good idea. But there is reference to naturalization in the constitution and there is the INA. So my question for the people who are opposed to legal immigration was what would be the plan? Repeal references to naturalization? Amend or repeal and replace the INA? What? I'm curious what kind of changes to legal immigration we're talking about. I think illegal immigration should be the priority but I think I saw someone post legal immigration is worse. I'm curious what the solution would be. The RAISE act is a great start, Tom Cotton`s bill is the first start, think of it as a 1919 Immigration Act, that was followed later with 1921 and 1924 immigration acts that brought American great unity and wealth for the next 40 years. The Solution is the following Limit the total number of people allowed in at 200,000 no NET immigration Limit legal immigration to cultural compatible groups. Mandate that they have skills that in demand but not in such numbers they harm American wages Health screening, Aids, Ebola, disabilities need not apply What questions do you have? |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:59:22 PM EDT
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So, for the people opposed to legal immigration are we talking about a constitutional amendment to remove the reference to naturalization and repealing the INA? This is starting to sound like the old constitutional buffet where someone hand picks the parts that suit them and disregards the parts that don't. While I understand "capitalism" and all that it is still kinda shitty. I totally understand people wanting to leave some messed up country and come to America, but we need to remember that if we throw open the doors and let everyone in, it won't be America for very long. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:00:10 PM EDT
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We could probably find 50-100 good upstanding people that value freedom over government . Or blackmail them. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:01:56 PM EDT
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Of course we are going to repeal the Immigration Act of 1965, its a train wreak that has turned America into a multicultural hellscape. The RAISE act is a great start, Tom Cotton`s bill is the first start, think of it as a 1919 Immigration Act, that was followed later with 1921 and 1924 immigration acts that brought American great unity and wealth for the next 40 years. The Solution is the following Limit the total number of people allowed in at 200,000 no NET immigration Limit legal immigration to cultural compatible groups. Mandate that they have skills that in demand but not in such numbers they harm American wages Health screening, Aids, Ebola, disabilities need not apply What questions do you have? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think limiting it is a good idea. But there is reference to naturalization in the constitution and there is the INA. So my question for the people who are opposed to legal immigration was what would be the plan? Repeal references to naturalization? Amend or repeal and replace the INA? What? I'm curious what kind of changes to legal immigration we're talking about. I think illegal immigration should be the priority but I think I saw someone post legal immigration is worse. I'm curious what the solution would be. The RAISE act is a great start, Tom Cotton`s bill is the first start, think of it as a 1919 Immigration Act, that was followed later with 1921 and 1924 immigration acts that brought American great unity and wealth for the next 40 years. The Solution is the following Limit the total number of people allowed in at 200,000 no NET immigration Limit legal immigration to cultural compatible groups. Mandate that they have skills that in demand but not in such numbers they harm American wages Health screening, Aids, Ebola, disabilities need not apply What questions do you have? How is current LPR population (table below) handled? What about non-immigrant statuses? 
ETA: Here are non-immigrant statuses. There are a lot so the screen cap is hard to read. I included a link too though. https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-nonimmigrant-workers 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:03:06 PM EDT
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Personally I think the aversion to "legal" immigration in this context is due to large companies running ads for jobs with ridiculous qualifications for a pathetically small amount of money, then claiming they can't find qualified applicants in the US, and importing a bunch of indians they can pay pennies. While I understand "capitalism" and all that it is still kinda shitty. I totally understand people wanting to leave some messed up country and come to America, but we need to remember that if we throw open the doors and let everyone in, it won't be America for very long. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, for the people opposed to legal immigration are we talking about a constitutional amendment to remove the reference to naturalization and repealing the INA? This is starting to sound like the old constitutional buffet where someone hand picks the parts that suit them and disregards the parts that don't. While I understand "capitalism" and all that it is still kinda shitty. I totally understand people wanting to leave some messed up country and come to America, but we need to remember that if we throw open the doors and let everyone in, it won't be America for very long. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:06:25 PM EDT
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Yes, we need to import Mexico here to grow our economy. Ya know, like how it is where they come from. We need unskilled labor to build a better community. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:08:22 PM EDT
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So Americans are no longer allowed to marry foreigners and bring them here unless the foreigner has skills in demand and can fit into the 200,000? How is current LPR population (table below) handled? What about non-immigrant statuses? https://s30.postimg.org/eyx5qq4c1/table4.jpg 200,000 in total, some areas like have larger numbers allowed in like scientists/investors while some groups are very small like refugees (think only 10,000 and only from South Africa, Unkrine, etc, assuming we even have a refugee program to begin with and just those members of those groups with something to offer a wavier and we just get rid of the 1980 refugee act which is a voter/terrorist importation machine). What do you mean handled and non immigrant statues. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:10:09 PM EDT
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I agree. That's why I added an edit to my post above and mentioned H1Bs. I think that status is abused. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:10:21 PM EDT
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They will be, their are just a set number of people we let in per year, if you do not meet the deadline for application, she will have a to a year to come over. 200,000 in total, some areas like have larger numbers allowed in like scientists/investors while some groups are very small like refugees (think only 10,000 and only from South Africa, Unkrine, etc, assuming we even have a refugee program to begin with and just those members of those groups with something to offer a wavier and we just get rid of the 1980 refugee act which is a voter/terrorist importation machine). What do you mean handled and non immigrant statues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So Americans are no longer allowed to marry foreigners and bring them here unless the foreigner has skills in demand and can fit into the 200,000? How is current LPR population (table below) handled? What about non-immigrant statuses? https://s30.postimg.org/eyx5qq4c1/table4.jpg 200,000 in total, some areas like have larger numbers allowed in like scientists/investors while some groups are very small like refugees (think only 10,000 and only from South Africa, Unkrine, etc, assuming we even have a refugee program to begin with and just those members of those groups with something to offer a wavier and we just get rid of the 1980 refugee act which is a voter/terrorist importation machine). What do you mean handled and non immigrant statues. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:11:09 PM EDT
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The dumbasses I see out at the job sites will be dead or infirmed by 50 anyway because they don't follow any safety precautions like spraying VOC's without respirators etc. And they'll get medicare even as illegals. All this population argument is bullshit made up to accelerate the status quo under defiant politicians.. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:12:35 PM EDT
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Personally I think the aversion to "legal" immigration in this context is due to large companies running ads for jobs with ridiculous qualifications for a pathetically small amount of money, then claiming they can't find qualified applicants in the US, and importing a bunch of indians they can pay pennies. While I understand "capitalism" and all that it is still kinda shitty. I totally understand people wanting to leave some messed up country and come to America, but we need to remember that if we throw open the doors and let everyone in, it won't be America for very long. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:13:17 PM EDT
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Yes, we need to import Mexico here to grow our economy. Ya know, like how it is where they come from. We need unskilled labor to build a better community. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 8:03:40 PM EDT
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outside of a few metropolitan areas, Missouri isn't exactly known to have the sharpest pencils in the box - so, I'm not sure if this is good or bad It has been "a few metropolitan areas" that have landed Missouri in liberal progressive Democratic hands. The educational bastion of the state, Columbia, is a shimmering jewel of progressive mental breakdown, lies and denial. Thanks to the common sense, work ethic and raw intelligence of the areas beyond progressive grasp, the state is on pretty solid footing economically and socially with liberty and freedoms beacon shining brightly. Everything the "smart" democrats have touched has been turned to shit by their abject ignorance. The only thing they do well is lie and connive to undermine hard work and success. Illegal "immigrants" are unwelcome here and that should be made abundantly clear. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 8:56:12 PM EDT
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So, for the people opposed to legal immigration are we talking about a constitutional amendment to remove the reference to naturalization and repealing the INA? This is starting to sound like the old constitutional buffet where someone hand picks the parts that suit them and disregards the parts that don't. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 8:58:07 PM EDT
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outside of a few metropolitan areas, Missouri isn't exactly known to have the sharpest pencils in the box - so, I'm not sure if this is good or bad |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 9:01:27 PM EDT
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outside of a few metropolitan areas, Missouri isn't exactly known to have the sharpest pencils in the box - so, I'm not sure if this is good or bad 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 9:08:21 PM EDT
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outside of a few metropolitan areas, Missouri isn't exactly known to have the sharpest pencils in the box - so, I'm not sure if this is good or bad Oh wait I live in one of teh blue tumors... 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 9:17:59 PM EDT
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OP, goddamn.
Yeah, you're right. Please don't come interrupt our retardation with yer fancy book learning and shit. Lol! I hope you don't rupture your states endoplasmic reticulum or gape its vacuole if you ever leave. You vesicle you... |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 9:24:01 PM EDT
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Immigration Reform has constantly been a winner with everyone except the GOP and DNC. The Dems and the GOPe and their Media Lackeys erroneously think Open Borders is a winning issue, the same way they erroneously thought gun control was a winning issue back in the 1990s. As with gun control, the pressure to shut down all forms of immigration will become so great that eventually both parties will have to cave on it, and you will suddenly see a flood of immigration reform bills in Congress. The borders WILL be secured; the politicians can do it now, when people are relatively reasonable about it, or they can do it later when they are Mad as Hell. Their choice. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 9:29:19 PM EDT
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So, for the people opposed to legal immigration are we talking about a constitutional amendment to remove the reference to naturalization and repealing the INA? This is starting to sound like the old constitutional buffet where someone hand picks the parts that suit them and disregards the parts that don't. 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 9:37:31 PM EDT
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What I want to know is, who are these 2.4 million retards who make up the other 40% |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 11:26:20 PM EDT
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Sounds good to me!
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:15:19 AM EDT
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OP, goddamn. Yeah, you're right. Please don't come interrupt our retardation with yer fancy book learning and shit. Lol! I hope you don't rupture your states endoplasmic reticulum or gape its vacuole if you ever leave. You vesicle you... 
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:18:32 AM EDT
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FPNI. The Dems and the GOPe and their Media Lackeys erroneously think Open Borders is a winning issue, the same way they erroneously thought gun control was a winning issue back in the 1990s. As with gun control, the pressure to shut down all forms of immigration will become so great that eventually both parties will have to cave on it, and you will suddenly see a flood of immigration reform bills in Congress. The borders WILL be secured; the politicians can do it now, when people are relatively reasonable about it, or they can do it later when they are Mad as Hell. Their choice. The wall Deportations Ending birthright citizenship Reducing LEGAL immigration All things that help the GOP base, increase its numbers, bring over independence/dems as well as preventing future hostile alien voters to ever be able to cast a vote against us, against our rights, wealth, and future. Win, win, fucking win. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:24:00 AM EDT
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I believe that you should have to provide documented evidence why and how you'd be an asset to the country before you're allowed to immigrate.
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outside of a few metropolitan areas, Missouri isn't exactly known to have the sharpest pencils in the box - so, I'm not sure if this is good or bad |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:37:42 AM EDT
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I believe that you should have to provide documented evidence why and how you'd be an asset to the country before you're allowed to immigrate. Ironic how you so clearly demonstrated your own ignorance with that post. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:41:25 AM EDT
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Oh for sure. Metropolitan areas are legendary dens of mental prowess. You really should consider a CO detector for your house. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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outside of a few metropolitan areas, Missouri isn't exactly known to have the sharpest pencils in the box - so, I'm not sure if this is good or bad You really should consider a CO detector for your house. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:48:34 AM EDT
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This right fucking here! Since when did immigrants become the only ones that can have babies as well? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we cut welfare by 50% I will find you a good 45 million people who suddenly want to fucking work. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 7:45:02 AM EDT
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Under cutting wages and or voting for marxists is not an asset. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe that you should have to provide documented evidence why and how you'd be an asset to the country before you're allowed to immigrate. Ironic how you so clearly demonstrated your own ignorance with that post. I am 100% in favor of American exceptionalism. But it is something that must be earned, not automatically granted by a birth certificate. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:19:20 PM EDT
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Artificially limiting competition stifles innovation and encourages mediocrity. I work in a field (IT) that relies heavily on imported "temporary" and outsourced labor. Yet I've held my job for 25+ years, and make twice as much as my foreign counterparts. Because I'm better at it than they are. I have even less to fear from the relatively small number who are willing to jump through the hoops to become legal citizens... and if I can't compete fairly, that's my problem, not theirs. I am 100% in favor of American exceptionalism. But it is something that must be earned, not automatically granted by a birth certificate. Well I have not known anyone who was raped, I guess that does not happen either, right? No, you are not "better" they have not found anyone to replace you for less pay...Yet. You think if they found someone twice as skilled as you for 1/5th the pay you would still be there? Not a fucking chance. "That`s my problem, not theirs", said like a guy who has not lost his job and benefits yet. Because of that mindset countless people have lost their jobs and can not find another one close to it because "If they can not compete with slave labor wages, its THEIR FAULT". Sorry but that is not how "American Exceptionalism works, as per being born into a nation you are born into it with the some objective entitlements, such as the entitlement to the society, culture, rule of law that your forefathers created and intended to pass on to you. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:24:23 PM EDT
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This right fucking here! Since when did immigrants become the only ones that can have babies as well? They do not have to wait 18 years for workers, voters, etc. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:29:52 AM EDT
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What I want to know is, who are these 2.4 million retards who make up the other 40% |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:33:36 AM EDT
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If the constitution said "you can never own firearms", how would you feel about the constitution lol? |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:37:27 AM EDT
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Immigration Reform has constantly been a winner with everyone except the GOP and DNC. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 7:42:26 AM EDT
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Meh, I say just set really high standards that will slash down those who can legally immigrate. You're not a successful engineer, scientists, programmer etc? kick rocks buddy, next.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 2:48:32 PM EDT
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Those inside the beltway, are so out of touch with Americans. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 2:49:08 PM EDT
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Meh, I say just set really high standards that will slash down those who can legally immigrate. You're not a successful engineer, scientists, programmer etc? kick rocks buddy, next. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 4:06:24 PM EDT
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https://www.numbersusa.com/news/missouri-voters-cut-legal-immigration-least-half
They will be doing more polls in more states. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 4:42:49 PM EDT
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outside of a few metropolitan areas, Missouri isn't exactly known to have the sharpest pencils in the box - so, I'm not sure if this is good or bad |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 4:57:24 PM EDT
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“The time has come for new immigration rules that say ... those seeking immigration into our country must be able to support themselves financially and should not use welfare for a period of at least five years," Trump told a campaign-style rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. When my immigrated here during the Reagan era there was a 10-year period. But some people can just walk across a river, crap out some crotch fruit, and then suddenly have the "right" to free housing, healthcare, food, and access to public schools, etc. Where's my $$$$ for our 2 kids, housing, etc? Oh wait we are taxpayers, we have no rights in the system . . . the discussion is NOT about Immigration, it is about ILLEGAL Immigration but the media never frames it that way. What would I know, I'm just an inbred hill billy redneck from MO not much smarter than the Clampetts. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 5:18:17 PM EDT
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This. Legal immigration is good. Illegal immigration is bad. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 5:27:00 PM EDT
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outside of a few metropolitan areas, Missouri isn't exactly known to have the sharpest pencils in the box - so, I'm not sure if this is good or bad Yeah, didn't think so. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:09:43 AM EDT
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No location given? Must be an IL resident . . . ;-) . . . Not all of us who live outside the 314 or 816 area codes are dumb asses. Some of us actually hold down jobs, pay our taxes, have an IQ higher than Summer in MO humidity or outside temp, and don't screw our cousins. Shocking . . . but true. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:12:47 AM EDT
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Most studies show that the majority of legal immigrants coming here will side with the democrats. You know the party that wants to over turn that pesky document called the US Constitution, the one that is supposed to protect our god given rights. The party that wants to "fundamentally transform" this nation, the party that takes from the workers and the rich to give to the poor, the lazy, the scammers, the illegals. So please explain to us how our current legal immigration system is good for America? "Muh Nation of Immigrants" "Muh Statue of Liberty" "Muh Huddled Masses" "Muh Great Grandfather" "Muh GDP, Muh Economy, Muh fill in the blank" Its all bullshit, and when confronted by it they either lie, double down or just run away. Why should you allow in people who vote against you, your rights 80% of the time? Not a single answer other then appeals to Emotion which are falling thankfully on deaf and deafer ears. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:13:19 AM EDT
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Ever look at the 2016 election maps by county? Those tiny blue spots you see on MO, are chock full of idiot liberals & mindless democrat EBT voters. You want those people determining the course of our nation? Yeah, didn't think so. Voter ID, cut early voting, increase requirements. |
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