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Posted: 6/23/2017 1:48:49 PM EDT
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Y'all need to learn how to disagree without calling names (I know, I know....this is GD). The author stated an opinion that was, in essence, minor traffic violation stops while occasionally productive are more often than not more trouble than they are worth to the routine patrol cop who will have to contend with an increasingly high wave of negative public opinion, among other problems, should something go wrong during the stop. That's a fair point, based in part his policing experience. I didn't read him as saying to never make a pretext stop, but rather to think hard about whether it was worth it under the circumstances. He was pulled over for matching the description of an armed robbery suspect and the taillight was used as PC to make the stop and investigate. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 1:54:36 PM EDT
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Of course it is my responsibility. And their out of proportion response was a complete waste of time and manpower. See, it can be two things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Next time take care of your ticket or call the agency that issued it and get it worked out. That is your responsibility. See, it can be two things. 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 1:57:07 PM EDT
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The author is an idiot then. He was pulled over for matching the description of an armed robbery suspect and the taillight was used as PC to make the stop and investigate. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 1:57:20 PM EDT
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Interviewer: Are you prone to panic? Applicant: No! . . . ZOMG IS THAT A SPIDER?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! <jumps on chair> How would a department test for "prone to panic?" 
In just that one paragraph he ASSumes the following: There was "poor training." (Possibly) "poor hiring practices" by the agency. Ofc. Yanez was "prone to panic." The dept. does not do "force on force training." Ofc. Yanez fired his pistol "in abject fear." The department's budget is "ever shrinking." That's one paragraph.  
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Posted: 6/23/2017 1:57:27 PM EDT
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The author is an idiot then. He was pulled over for matching the description of an armed robbery suspect and the taillight was used as PC to make the stop and investigate. I had a drug case where I had police records that had the cops saying "Okay we are going to do a pretext stop" ahead of time and there was no traffic violation, lol. There were no drugs in the car anyway. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 1:59:44 PM EDT
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Did they ever get ask him about the robbery? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The author is an idiot then. He was pulled over for matching the description of an armed robbery suspect and the taillight was used as PC to make the stop and investigate. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:01:36 PM EDT
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Nope, it can only be one of teh things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Next time take care of your ticket or call the agency that issued it and get it worked out. That is your responsibility. See, it can be two things. 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:02:55 PM EDT
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It never got that far. But I am sure you knew that already since you watched the video, ignored all the other testimony/statements, and are clearly an expert in American policing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The author is an idiot then. He was pulled over for matching the description of an armed robbery suspect and the taillight was used as PC to make the stop and investigate. 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:03:17 PM EDT
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yeah the cop said it was a pretext stop. I had a drug case where I had police records that had the cops saying "Okay we are going to do a pretext stop" ahead of time and there was no traffic violation, lol. There were no drugs in the car anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The author is an idiot then. He was pulled over for matching the description of an armed robbery suspect and the taillight was used as PC to make the stop and investigate. I had a drug case where I had police records that had the cops saying "Okay we are going to do a pretext stop" ahead of time and there was no traffic violation, lol. There were no drugs in the car anyway. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:04:10 PM EDT
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"STOP HASSLING PEOPLE! ... Don’t hunt minor scofflaws." But they are the easiest. I once had ONE unpaid parking ticket in Grosse Pointe, simply for parking in the street in front of my friend's house beyond the hours that it was allowed (just pointing out here that it was a very minor ticket). Nothing prior, ever. I lost the ticket - it was $15, I figured I'd get something in the mail and have to pay $40 or $50. No, instead, they put out a warrant for my arrest, called and visited my place of work stating there was a warrant out for me but wouldn't say it was for a parking ticket, called and visited my apartment, banging on all adjacent doors, called my landlord, telling everyone there was a warrant out for me. The then called my mother at the house I grew up in as a child and hadn't lived in for 20 years, telling her there was a warrant out for me. At the time, I was camping. When I finally got cell service and the flood of voicemails from the police and everyone that they had contacted I freaked out! I called the Grosse Pointe police dept, assuming something was in error and the lady told me "nope, this is for your ticket". I was floored. I told her I was up north and would pay it immediately when I got back to SE Mich and she replied "Well I hope nobody runs your plates on the way, you have an open warrant." Fucking insane. The amount of time and effort they put into coming after me for a single, unpaid $15 parking ticket is mind boggling. Come on...I have a hard time believing that one. How can they issue a warrant for the car owners arrest when they don't know that person parked the car there? |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:04:35 PM EDT
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Yanez sure looked like he panicked to me, or was that just his professional training kicking in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interviewer: Are you prone to panic? Applicant: No! . . . ZOMG IS THAT A SPIDER?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! <jumps on chair> How would a department test for "prone to panic?"
In just that one paragraph he ASSumes the following: There was "poor training." (Possibly) "poor hiring practices" by the agency. Ofc. Yanez was "prone to panic." The dept. does not do "force on force training." Ofc. Yanez fired his pistol "in abject fear." The department's budget is "ever shrinking." That's one paragraph. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:20:40 PM EDT
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I unsubscribed to my own thread! 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:25:54 PM EDT
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"STOP HASSLING PEOPLE! ... Don’t hunt minor scofflaws." But they are the easiest. I once had ONE unpaid parking ticket in Grosse Pointe, simply for parking in the street in front of my friend's house beyond the hours that it was allowed (just pointing out here that it was a very minor ticket). Nothing prior, ever. I lost the ticket - it was $15, I figured I'd get something in the mail and have to pay $40 or $50. No, instead, they put out a warrant for my arrest, called and visited my place of work stating there was a warrant out for me but wouldn't say it was for a parking ticket, called and visited my apartment, banging on all adjacent doors, called my landlord, telling everyone there was a warrant out for me. The then called my mother at the house I grew up in as a child and hadn't lived in for 20 years, telling her there was a warrant out for me. At the time, I was camping. When I finally got cell service and the flood of voicemails from the police and everyone that they had contacted I freaked out! I called the Grosse Pointe police dept, assuming something was in error and the lady told me "nope, this is for your ticket". I was floored. I told her I was up north and would pay it immediately when I got back to SE Mich and she replied "Well I hope nobody runs your plates on the way, you have an open warrant." Fucking insane. The amount of time and effort they put into coming after me for a single, unpaid $15 parking ticket is mind boggling. However, knowing human nature, can you imagine the public response if the government did NOT make effort to collect a $15 ticket? |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:27:35 PM EDT
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Interviewer: Are you prone to panic? Applicant: No! . . . ZOMG IS THAT A SPIDER?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! <jumps on chair> How would a department test for "prone to panic?"
In just that one paragraph he ASSumes the following: There was "poor training." (Possibly) "poor hiring practices" by the agency. Ofc. Yanez was "prone to panic." The dept. does not do "force on force training." Ofc. Yanez fired his pistol "in abject fear." The department's budget is "ever shrinking." That's one paragraph. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:31:44 PM EDT
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Wait.......hold on.........they issued arrest warrants for a parking ticket that you did not sign for? Come on...I have a hard time believing that one. How can they issue a warrant for the car owners arrest when they don't know that person parked the car there? There's a fairy active poster in GD that I think is an officer there, (or maybe does border patrol nearby), maybe he will chime in. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:34:50 PM EDT
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He shot a guy who he thought was going to shoot him. Would you feell better if he was more like Dirty Harry, and calmly put a fatal cap in the guy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interviewer: Are you prone to panic? Applicant: No! . . . ZOMG IS THAT A SPIDER?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! <jumps on chair> How would a department test for "prone to panic?"
In just that one paragraph he ASSumes the following: There was "poor training." (Possibly) "poor hiring practices" by the agency. Ofc. Yanez was "prone to panic." The dept. does not do "force on force training." Ofc. Yanez fired his pistol "in abject fear." The department's budget is "ever shrinking." That's one paragraph. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:35:04 PM EDT
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I understand your position, and it makes sense. However, knowing human nature, can you imagine the public response if the government did NOT make effort to collect a $15 ticket? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"STOP HASSLING PEOPLE! ... Don’t hunt minor scofflaws." But they are the easiest. I once had ONE unpaid parking ticket in Grosse Pointe, simply for parking in the street in front of my friend's house beyond the hours that it was allowed (just pointing out here that it was a very minor ticket). Nothing prior, ever. I lost the ticket - it was $15, I figured I'd get something in the mail and have to pay $40 or $50. No, instead, they put out a warrant for my arrest, called and visited my place of work stating there was a warrant out for me but wouldn't say it was for a parking ticket, called and visited my apartment, banging on all adjacent doors, called my landlord, telling everyone there was a warrant out for me. The then called my mother at the house I grew up in as a child and hadn't lived in for 20 years, telling her there was a warrant out for me. At the time, I was camping. When I finally got cell service and the flood of voicemails from the police and everyone that they had contacted I freaked out! I called the Grosse Pointe police dept, assuming something was in error and the lady told me "nope, this is for your ticket". I was floored. I told her I was up north and would pay it immediately when I got back to SE Mich and she replied "Well I hope nobody runs your plates on the way, you have an open warrant." Fucking insane. The amount of time and effort they put into coming after me for a single, unpaid $15 parking ticket is mind boggling. However, knowing human nature, can you imagine the public response if the government did NOT make effort to collect a $15 ticket? |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:40:56 PM EDT
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It never got that far. But I am sure you knew that already since you watched the video, ignored all the other testimony/statements, and are clearly an expert in American policing. It's pretty fucking obvious. Well, unless your cut from the same cloth as Yanez. Then it might not be so obvious. Too bad he never got to find out if the guy he killed was an armed robber, might have it all worth-while. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:44:09 PM EDT
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Good article. I dont beleive he had any harmfull intent. Nobody tells a cop they have a gun if they plan to use it on said cop. But, his actions were a little dumb, and the officer was way too on edge. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:44:44 PM EDT
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When he explains that Barbers get more training before they get a license in his state than LEOs' do....I think pretty much everything he said is probably valid, in terms of training levels, budgets etc.... Ain't nobody ever died from a bad hair cut....so what should the priorities really be? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interviewer: Are you prone to panic? Applicant: No! . . . ZOMG IS THAT A SPIDER?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! <jumps on chair> How would a department test for "prone to panic?"
In just that one paragraph he ASSumes the following: There was "poor training." (Possibly) "poor hiring practices" by the agency. Ofc. Yanez was "prone to panic." The dept. does not do "force on force training." Ofc. Yanez fired his pistol "in abject fear." The department's budget is "ever shrinking." That's one paragraph.
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:48:02 PM EDT
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The author is an idiot then. He was pulled over for matching the description of an armed robbery suspect and the taillight was used as PC to make the stop and investigate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Y'all need to learn how to disagree without calling names (I know, I know....this is GD). The author stated an opinion that was, in essence, minor traffic violation stops while occasionally productive are more often than not more trouble than they are worth to the routine patrol cop who will have to contend with an increasingly high wave of negative public opinion, among other problems, should something go wrong during the stop. That's a fair point, based in part his policing experience. I didn't read him as saying to never make a pretext stop, but rather to think hard about whether it was worth it under the circumstances. He was pulled over for matching the description of an armed robbery suspect and the taillight was used as PC to make the stop and investigate. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:48:42 PM EDT
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I almost shot someone once... but then I didn't panic and mag dump into the shithead. I'll bet Yanez wishes he hadn't panicked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interviewer: Are you prone to panic? Applicant: No! . . . ZOMG IS THAT A SPIDER?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! <jumps on chair> How would a department test for "prone to panic?"
In just that one paragraph he ASSumes the following: There was "poor training." (Possibly) "poor hiring practices" by the agency. Ofc. Yanez was "prone to panic." The dept. does not do "force on force training." Ofc. Yanez fired his pistol "in abject fear." The department's budget is "ever shrinking." That's one paragraph. You have ZERO information that he panicked, and are misstating the facts to back up your opinion. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:51:24 PM EDT
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You don't have to be an expert to see that was a bad shoot, and Yanez is a yellow-bellied pussy who should have never been a cop. It's pretty fucking obvious. Well, unless your cut from the same cloth as Yanez. Then it might not be so obvious. Too bad he never got to find out if the guy he killed was an armed robber, might have it all worth-while. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It never got that far. But I am sure you knew that already since you watched the video, ignored all the other testimony/statements, and are clearly an expert in American policing. It's pretty fucking obvious. Well, unless your cut from the same cloth as Yanez. Then it might not be so obvious. Too bad he never got to find out if the guy he killed was an armed robber, might have it all worth-while. I love the internet nonsense where guys bloviate about pussies, cowards, panic, and ten other labels they slap on a situation they dont understand and have never trained to do. Lets put you in a situation where you honestly believe someone is trying to kill you and watch how a real man responds in a life or death situation. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:54:14 PM EDT
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The jurors also werent experts, and they disagree with you. I love the internet nonsense where guys bloviate about pussies, cowards, panic, and ten other labels they slap on a situation they dont understand and have never trained to do. Lets put you in a situation where you honestly believe someone is trying to kill you and watch how a real man responds in a life or death situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It never got that far. But I am sure you knew that already since you watched the video, ignored all the other testimony/statements, and are clearly an expert in American policing. It's pretty fucking obvious. Well, unless your cut from the same cloth as Yanez. Then it might not be so obvious. Too bad he never got to find out if the guy he killed was an armed robber, might have it all worth-while. I love the internet nonsense where guys bloviate about pussies, cowards, panic, and ten other labels they slap on a situation they dont understand and have never trained to do. Lets put you in a situation where you honestly believe someone is trying to kill you and watch how a real man responds in a life or death situation. 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:56:50 PM EDT
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+1 What the author refers to as, "chasing minor scofflaws." is also called police work. To suggest that police should just ignore warrants, or ignore vehicle equipment or traffic infractions, is to suggest that traffic cops should do nothing at all. Some major crimes and serious felonies get found on traffic stops. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:59:08 PM EDT
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"STOP HASSLING PEOPLE! ... Don’t hunt minor scofflaws." But they are the easiest. I once had ONE unpaid parking ticket in Grosse Pointe, simply for parking in the street in front of my friend's house beyond the hours that it was allowed (just pointing out here that it was a very minor ticket). Nothing prior, ever. I lost the ticket - it was $15, I figured I'd get something in the mail and have to pay $40 or $50. No, instead, they put out a warrant for my arrest, called and visited my place of work stating there was a warrant out for me but wouldn't say it was for a parking ticket, called and visited my apartment, banging on all adjacent doors, called my landlord, telling everyone there was a warrant out for me. The then called my mother at the house I grew up in as a child and hadn't lived in for 20 years, telling her there was a warrant out for me. At the time, I was camping. When I finally got cell service and the flood of voicemails from the police and everyone that they had contacted I freaked out! I called the Grosse Pointe police dept, assuming something was in error and the lady told me "nope, this is for your ticket". I was floored. I told her I was up north and would pay it immediately when I got back to SE Mich and she replied "Well I hope nobody runs your plates on the way, you have an open warrant." Fucking insane. The amount of time and effort they put into coming after me for a single, unpaid $15 parking ticket is mind boggling. 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:01:43 PM EDT
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Wait.......hold on.........they issued arrest warrants for a parking ticket that you did not sign for? Come on...I have a hard time believing that one. How can they issue a warrant for the car owners arrest when they don't know that person parked the car there? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"STOP HASSLING PEOPLE! ... Don’t hunt minor scofflaws." But they are the easiest. I once had ONE unpaid parking ticket in Grosse Pointe, simply for parking in the street in front of my friend's house beyond the hours that it was allowed (just pointing out here that it was a very minor ticket). Nothing prior, ever. I lost the ticket - it was $15, I figured I'd get something in the mail and have to pay $40 or $50. No, instead, they put out a warrant for my arrest, called and visited my place of work stating there was a warrant out for me but wouldn't say it was for a parking ticket, called and visited my apartment, banging on all adjacent doors, called my landlord, telling everyone there was a warrant out for me. The then called my mother at the house I grew up in as a child and hadn't lived in for 20 years, telling her there was a warrant out for me. At the time, I was camping. When I finally got cell service and the flood of voicemails from the police and everyone that they had contacted I freaked out! I called the Grosse Pointe police dept, assuming something was in error and the lady told me "nope, this is for your ticket". I was floored. I told her I was up north and would pay it immediately when I got back to SE Mich and she replied "Well I hope nobody runs your plates on the way, you have an open warrant." Fucking insane. The amount of time and effort they put into coming after me for a single, unpaid $15 parking ticket is mind boggling. Come on...I have a hard time believing that one. How can they issue a warrant for the car owners arrest when they don't know that person parked the car there? That means someone's pants are on fire. Like so many GD cophaters. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:04:29 PM EDT
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Yeah, I think he's wrong on that one too. Some major crimes and serious felonies get found on traffic stops. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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+1 What the author refers to as, "chasing minor scofflaws." is also called police work. To suggest that police should just ignore warrants, or ignore vehicle equipment or traffic infractions, is to suggest that traffic cops should do nothing at all. Some major crimes and serious felonies get found on traffic stops. Son of Sam. Berkowitz, was apprehended because his car had been given a chicken shit ticket for parking too close to a hydrant. A witness saw the car get ticketed and then witnessed part of a shooting. Efforts were focused on cars that had been ticketed at that time, and the rest is history. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:04:55 PM EDT
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"Sir I have a firearm" My typical responses "Cool me too.." "What kind ?" "Don't reach for yours and won't reach for mine" And the more common "Ok, license and insurance " J- |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:06:31 PM EDT
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The jurors also werent experts, and they disagree with you. I love the internet nonsense where guys bloviate about pussies, cowards, panic, and ten other labels they slap on a situation they dont understand and have never trained to do. Lets put you in a situation where you honestly believe someone is trying to kill you and watch how a real man responds in a life or death situation. If he honestly thought a guy who declared he was lawfully armed and said he was not reaching for it, a threat to his life, then he had no business being a cop in the first place. If you think that is a reasonable circumstance to shoot someone, then stay away from guns, because you are too emotionally irrational to handle them. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:09:50 PM EDT
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+1 What the author refers to as, "chasing minor scofflaws." is also called police work. To suggest that police should just ignore warrants, or ignore vehicle equipment or traffic infractions, is to suggest that traffic cops should do nothing at all. J- |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:18:59 PM EDT
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They found him not guilty of manslughter. That doesn't make it a good shoot......Otherwise he'd still have a job. If he honestly thought a guy who declared he was lawfully armed and said he was not reaching for it, a threat to his life, then he had no business being a cop in the first place. If you think that is a reasonable circumstance to shoot someone, then stay away from guns, because you are too emotionally irrational to handle them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The jurors also werent experts, and they disagree with you. I love the internet nonsense where guys bloviate about pussies, cowards, panic, and ten other labels they slap on a situation they dont understand and have never trained to do. Lets put you in a situation where you honestly believe someone is trying to kill you and watch how a real man responds in a life or death situation. If he honestly thought a guy who declared he was lawfully armed and said he was not reaching for it, a threat to his life, then he had no business being a cop in the first place. If you think that is a reasonable circumstance to shoot someone, then stay away from guns, because you are too emotionally irrational to handle them. Manslaughter is the lowest measure of wringful death. It was a good shoot in the eyes of the jury. It was a GOOD SHOOT. I dont need a lecture on my stability from an anonymous blow hard who is ignorant of police procedure. Your advice will be given due weight, which is to say none. You werent there. Its imbecilic to claim you know what was a threat or what was not. Any competent adult who is reaching during a traffic stop, and is told "DONT REACH FOR THE GUN" or "STOP MOVING", yet who decides to keep doing whtever they are doing is a moron. If you think otherwise, youre likely to meet the same fate. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:22:25 PM EDT
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You don't have to be an expert to see that was a bad shoot, and Yanez is a yellow-bellied pussy who should have never been a cop. It's pretty fucking obvious. Well, unless your cut from the same cloth as Yanez. Then it might not be so obvious. Too bad he never got to find out if the guy he killed was an armed robber, might have it all worth-while. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It never got that far. But I am sure you knew that already since you watched the video, ignored all the other testimony/statements, and are clearly an expert in American policing. It's pretty fucking obvious. Well, unless your cut from the same cloth as Yanez. Then it might not be so obvious. Too bad he never got to find out if the guy he killed was an armed robber, might have it all worth-while. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:28:45 PM EDT
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You know the answer as well as I do. They don't. That means someone's pants are on fire. Like so many GD cophaters.
Something I had not considered before - maybe there was actually no warrant and they were just telling me that. But would they really send officers to my apartment and my job if there were no warrant? I never actually saw one, I just went there and paid. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:29:48 PM EDT
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Oh come on--what is "more training?" More hours? More "better?" That is nothing more than comparing apples to . . . <something not even another fruit>. I think most officers who are honest about things will tell you that their level of training is not what it should be. There are MANY SKILLS they need to master. High speed driving. Firearms use. Non Lethal Use. Hands on skills/officer survival. Medical skills (self aid if nothing else). De Escalation techniques. The law, to include proper report writing and testifying. Accident reconstruction and many, many other skills....In my town, this is taught in a 6 month academy. I can't think of too many "professional career fields", and law enforcement IS a profession, with a 6 month education session. A dental Hygienist trains for TWO YEARS. Most Plumbers study longer than that. A pharmacy technician is twice that long. Can you admit that some people are simply not cut out for certain lines of work or do you think EVERYONE can be a street cop? Surely not. The standards for officer hiring are getting looser all the time. In my own town they will now take people who have used cocaine as long as they fess up to it..... That was a FLAT disqualification less than 5 years ago. When you were growing up did you see billboards all over the place saying "Shitville PD, Now Hiring"? That is now NORMAL because they cannot find enough people to fill the ranks in many jurisdictions. Some people are in fact "excitable" and shouldn't be in high stress occupations. They are a danger to citizens, their fellow officers and themselves. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:30:53 PM EDT
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Don't call me a liar.
Something I had not considered before - maybe there was actually no warrant and they were just telling me that. But would they really send officers to my apartment and my job if there were no warrant? I never actually saw one, I just went there and paid. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:33:36 PM EDT
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Thats infantile. The loss of his job is as much a result of public pressure as any other factor. The guy who shot the thug in St Louis was fired, too. It means nothing. Manslaughter is the lowest measure of wringful death. It was a good shoot in the eyes of the jury. It was a GOOD SHOOT. I wonder if the CIVIL JURY will find it such a good shoot? I dont need a lecture on my stability from an anonymous blow hard who is ignorant of police procedure. Your advice will be given due weight, which is to say none. You werent there. Its imbecilic to claim you know what was a threat or what was not. Any competent adult who is reaching during a traffic stop, and is told "DONT REACH FOR THE GUN" or "STOP MOVING", yet who decides to keep doing whtever they are doing is a moron. If you think otherwise, youre likely to meet the same fate. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:34:27 PM EDT
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More hours. Which profession is more complicated and which has more potentially life threatening consequences? Barber or Cop? I think most officers who are honest about things will tell you that their level of training is not what it should be. There are MANY SKILLS they need to master. High speed driving. Firearms use. Non Lethal Use. Hands on skills/officer survival. Medical skills (self aid if nothing else). De Escalation techniques. The law, to include proper report writing and testifying. Accident reconstruction and many, many other skills....In my town, this is taught in a 6 month academy. I can't think of too many "professional career fields", and law enforcement IS a profession, with a 6 month education session. A dental Hygienist trains for TWO YEARS. Most Plumbers study longer than that. A pharmacy technician is twice that long. Can you admit that some people are simply not cut out for certain lines of work or do you think EVERYONE can be a street cop? Surely not. The standards for officer hiring are getting looser all the time. In my own town they will now take people who have used cocaine as long as they fess up to it..... That was a FLAT disqualification less than 5 years ago. When you were growing up did you see billboards all over the place saying "Shitville PD, Now Hiring"? That is now NORMAL because they cannot find enough people to fill the ranks in many jurisdictions. Some people are in fact "excitable" and shouldn't be in high stress occupations. They are a danger to citizens, their fellow officers and themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh come on--what is "more training?" More hours? More "better?" That is nothing more than comparing apples to . . . <something not even another fruit>. I think most officers who are honest about things will tell you that their level of training is not what it should be. There are MANY SKILLS they need to master. High speed driving. Firearms use. Non Lethal Use. Hands on skills/officer survival. Medical skills (self aid if nothing else). De Escalation techniques. The law, to include proper report writing and testifying. Accident reconstruction and many, many other skills....In my town, this is taught in a 6 month academy. I can't think of too many "professional career fields", and law enforcement IS a profession, with a 6 month education session. A dental Hygienist trains for TWO YEARS. Most Plumbers study longer than that. A pharmacy technician is twice that long. Can you admit that some people are simply not cut out for certain lines of work or do you think EVERYONE can be a street cop? Surely not. The standards for officer hiring are getting looser all the time. In my own town they will now take people who have used cocaine as long as they fess up to it..... That was a FLAT disqualification less than 5 years ago. When you were growing up did you see billboards all over the place saying "Shitville PD, Now Hiring"? That is now NORMAL because they cannot find enough people to fill the ranks in many jurisdictions. Some people are in fact "excitable" and shouldn't be in high stress occupations. They are a danger to citizens, their fellow officers and themselves. 
I do, however, think the author of that article is FOS. 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:34:47 PM EDT
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/off-duty-st-louis-officer-injured-by-friendly-fire-after/article_761b9cc4-75d1-5023-a38f-c4096f99d114.html
Stolen car crashes in St Louis near the home of a black off duty cop. The off duty cop comes out of his house to assist the officers on the scene. He identifies himself as a police officer. The on duty cops order him to the ground. He complies. The on duty cops then recognizes him and let him up. As he's getting up, another police officer arrives on the scene and just fucking shoots him. Oh yeah, then they try to cover the whole thing up by writing up the report as an accidental friendly fire shooting that happened while they were firing at the suspects. My takeaways: 1) Cops get twitchy around black people with a gun, even when the black guy is a cop. 2) Cops often lie about what actually happened when there's a shooting. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:38:43 PM EDT
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/off-duty-st-louis-officer-injured-by-friendly-fire-after/article_761b9cc4-75d1-5023-a38f-c4096f99d114.html Stolen car crashes in St Louis near the home of a black off duty cop. The off duty cop comes out of his house to assist the officers on the scene. He identifies himself as a police officer. The on duty cops order him to the ground. He complies. The on duty cops then recognizes him and let him up. As he's getting up, another police officer arrives on the scene and just fucking shoots him. Oh yeah, then they try to cover the whole thing up by writing up the report as an accidental friendly fire shooting that happened while they were firing at the suspects. My takeaways: 1) Cops get twitchy around black people with a gun, even when the black guy is a cop. 2) Cops often lie about what actually happened when there's a shooting. Do you do interiors and exteriors? What is your hourly rate? How many coats do you suggest? |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:39:34 PM EDT
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Those that can...do. Those that can't....teach.
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:46:46 PM EDT
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The problem is the training. Police come out of training with a us against them mentality. After a couple of years on the job most out grow that and become human beings again
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:47:32 PM EDT
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Good article. I dont beleive he had any harmfull intent. Nobody tells a cop they have a gun if they plan to use it on said cop. But, his actions were a little dumb, and the officer was way too on edge. However do you have any cop friends or watch any YouTube videos of arrests. Suspects are constantly saying "i'm not fighting" even when they are, "I am not going to cause you any trouble" next few minutes and fight between them and the police officer ensues. Heck saying thank you and have a nice day to the officer prior to shooting. Lots of poor decisions on this shoot but thinking that because someone informs they are automatically not a threat is short sighted and foolish IMO. The fact that from informing to the last shot of multiple shots taking well under 5 seconds is extremely disturbing. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:54:22 PM EDT
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If he honestly thought a guy who declared he was lawfully armed and said he was not reaching for it, a threat to his life, then he had no business being a cop in the first place. Guy says he is lawfully armed. Good, no problem. Cop didn't seem to mind at all. Guy says he is not reaching for it. Means absolutely nothing. People "say things" all the time that are directly different than what they are actually doing. People that resist arrest are often recorded as hollering "I'm not resisting" while they plainly are resisting. All the guy had to do was to quit reaching for his firearm when repeatedly told to do so and we wouldn't have ever heard of this incident. But he didn't follow instructions and the officer rationally felt his life was in danger and responded as he did. Also, the author of that article kept mentioning "poor training". I saw nothing to support that supposition. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:01:41 PM EDT
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Too bad the jury who did see all the evidence, statements, and testimony disagree with you. Ah, the sacred American jury.......IDGAF. When something is wrong it's wrong and no amount of mental gymnastics on your part will change that. Castile said he wasn't reaching for his gun but still got shot, unacceptable. At least St. Anthony realized they made a mistake in hiring this yellow-bellied sap sucker. Would be a shame if another department made the same mistake. I hope there's a civil suit in the works. Nothing makes an example out of someone quite like financial ruin. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:04:17 PM EDT
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<snip> I hope there's a civil suit in the works. Nothing makes an example out of someone quite like financial ruin.
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:05:07 PM EDT
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Yeah, too bad. Too bad they never convicted OJ Simpson for homicide either. Ah, the sacred American jury.......IDGAF. When something is wrong it's wrong and no amount of mental gymnastics on your part will change that. Castile said he wasn't reaching for his gun but still got shot, unacceptable. At least St. Anthony realized they made a mistake in hiring this yellow-bellied sap sucker. Would be a shame if another department made the same mistake. I hope there's a civil suit in the works. Nothing makes an example out of someone quite like financial ruin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Too bad the jury who did see all the evidence, statements, and testimony disagree with you. Ah, the sacred American jury.......IDGAF. When something is wrong it's wrong and no amount of mental gymnastics on your part will change that. Castile said he wasn't reaching for his gun but still got shot, unacceptable. At least St. Anthony realized they made a mistake in hiring this yellow-bellied sap sucker. Would be a shame if another department made the same mistake. I hope there's a civil suit in the works. Nothing makes an example out of someone quite like financial ruin. Those of us who have actual experience with juries will tell you that the vast majority of the time they get it right. They aren't going to do what you or whichever other ignorant snowflake wants, but they do tend to get it right. A murderer walking free because the State failed to prove its case is absolutely justice. Anything else is dictatorship. I have always found it interesting how people like you who rail against perceived injustice committed by government are so quick to support what is the definition of tyranny. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:05:47 PM EDT
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Derp. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:07:28 PM EDT
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Thats infantile. The loss of his job is as much a result of public pressure as any other factor. The guy who shot the thug in St Louis was fired, too. It means nothing. Manslaughter is the lowest measure of wringful death. It was a good shoot in the eyes of the jury. It was a GOOD SHOOT. I dont need a lecture on my stability from an anonymous blow hard who is ignorant of police procedure. Your advice will be given due weight, which is to say none. You werent there. Its imbecilic to claim you know what was a threat or what was not. Any competent adult who is reaching during a traffic stop, and is told "DONT REACH FOR THE GUN" or "STOP MOVING", yet who decides to keep doing whtever they are doing is a moron. If you think otherwise, youre likely to meet the same fate. Drives me crazy, juries do not really prove you were innocent or heck even guilty, they just show that the evidence and arguments presented convinced the Jury. Our justice system works better than most in the world, it is not perfect however it does not really prove guild or innocence. I believe the officer was way to wound up and made bad tactical decisions, Castile should not have been moving after informing and the cop yelling at him. Well under 5 seconds between informing of carrying a weapon and the last shot fired, this went down extremely fast. I think bad decisions met bad decisions but our justice system does not prove innocence or quilt, especially not innocence. The burden must be placed upon the state/law to insure the best chance at a fair trial. We do not establish the absence of guilt, only if they can be convicted with information given beyond a reasonable doubt. Look at OJ guilty but once any evidence of tampering by the authorities you must have some reasonable doubt. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:07:37 PM EDT
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That is a foolish comment. Guy says he is lawfully armed. Good, no problem. Cop didn't seem to mind at all. Guy says he is not reaching for it. Means absolutely nothing. People "say things" all the time that are directly different than what they are actually doing. People that resist arrest are often recorded as hollering "I'm not resisting" while they plainly are resisting. All the guy had to do was to quit reaching for his firearm when repeatedly told to do so and we wouldn't have ever heard of this incident. But he didn't follow instructions and the officer rationally felt his life was in danger and responded as he did. Also, the author of that article kept mentioning "poor training". I saw nothing to support that supposition. Where was the intent, where was the jeopardy? Or were these things not covered in Officer Yanez use of force training....assuming he got use of force training. |
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