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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:42:37 PM EDT
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guess the sue-eeze never took a shop class in Jr High
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:46:50 PM EDT
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That's why there is a whole industry of people who do that shit for a living. Lots of dickheads think building and remodeling is so easy until they fuck something important up. Then it is someone elses fault. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:50:17 PM EDT
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Plenty of crappy homes were built back in the day. Long since torn/fallen down. And plenty of well homes built today. It's not the finish lumber size. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I grew up in a house built with true 2x4s, etc. - big difference in strength. Houses used to last 100 years or more, not now. But back to lawyers seeking quick money by suing large corporations for stupid people who shouldn't be buying dimensional lumber to begin with. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:51:15 PM EDT
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So Joe Homeowner should hire a contractor to build a dog house? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:53:12 PM EDT
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Well it is false advertising...  .355 vs .357 .224 vs .223 you will never know what you're buying. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:54:05 PM EDT
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I'd be embarrassed I was so dumb. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:55:27 PM EDT
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Hope those folks don't have to buy any pipe. I don't need no damn plumber... vents and relief valves? Nah. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:57:27 PM EDT
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Whatever. It's still stupid. Wood dimensions are fucked. I think it's weird people like it. Just because it's been done that way for 100 years doesn't mean it's a good way. If I get a piece of flat stock it's the size it says it is. I like metal. and your weight per foot will change based on the heat that the flat is from. plus the grade is a range of values that are acceptable. A36 and 1018 just specify a range of chemical and mechanical properties. but stuff varies. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:59:35 PM EDT
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I'm really upset. My .44 Magnum revolver's bore only measures .429 inches. I didn't expect an almost .43 Magnum when I bought it. Where's the missing .011 that I was promised? Can I have some money now? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:00:07 PM EDT
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While they do have a point, it's common knowledge that the actual size of a 4x4 isn't literally 4"x4". It's been that way for 100+ years? This suit should be dismissed with prejudice, and make the vulture lawyers eat all legal fees.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:00:17 PM EDT
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I like tubing  |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:01:38 PM EDT
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago? I walked into a Home Depot and all the lumber signs had been converted to approximate decimal equivalents. "2x4" had become "1.655 x 3.595 approx" They switched back to normal signage a few months later. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:05:56 PM EDT
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Well damn, I just discovered the .58 caliber Minie Balls I've bought all these years are actually .577 caliber. They've cheated me out of .003 every time I've shot.
BRB, off to see my lawyer.
If you're too stupid to understand lumber dimensions you definitely don't need to be building anything. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:16:30 PM EDT
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:17:42 PM EDT
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Somebody did not take carpentry class in school.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:27:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf you're too stupid to understand lumber dimensions you definitely don't need to be building anything. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:31:25 PM EDT
[#17]
OFFS.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:31:43 PM EDT
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Home Depot lumber sucks. They should properly label each piece of shitty wood they sell:
2x4, 8'* *Actual dimensions: 3.6" x 2.4" x 7'11.3"; 12 degrees lateral warp; 8 degrees longitudinal warp; may include knot hole blowout; product is sold for entertainment purposes only; not for structural use |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:39:46 PM EDT
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Lumber no doubt causes cancer in California anyway, so it shouldn't be sold anywhere in the state. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:48:51 PM EDT
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Only problem I see is I didn't think of it...
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:49:49 PM EDT
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It is just a money grab by local .govs and lawyers. Can I get a rebate then on the 2 houses I built?
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:57:22 PM EDT
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I like tubing Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope nobody measures the diameter of a piece of 1/2-inch pipe.  |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:01:34 PM EDT
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Not only were 50 year old 2x4s actually 2"x4" - they were harder wood too. And to think real carpenters used hand saws and made straight cuts. Today you have people watching utube videos to make a doghouse and they screw it up even though they used a power miter saw. That's not to say there aren't great craftsmen making videos, I guess it's a "Pinterest" thing. Everybody wants plug and play. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:01:37 PM EDT
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It has happened a few times over the last 100+ years, the key is, "Dimensional Lumber" the rough product starts out at the actual dimension, then is milled to industry standard, which is 3.5 x 3.5 or 1.5 x 3.5, it is the basis for all the building that has been done in this country for well over 100 years. HD and Menards has not derived any extra profits because they advertise and sell what the industry standard are based on and milled to. All the parts for building are based on this standard, to change everything this many years later is cost prohibitive and has been the basis for many of these lawsuits being overturned in the past. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:01:46 PM EDT
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Always thought every one knew the 4X4 were not 4x4. Its just a term that has carried on because of history.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:05:42 PM EDT
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They should not be labeled anything but the true measurements. It doesnt matter how long it has been wrong, it should be corrected. ETA- not a menards, home depot etc.. specific issue. Should be law of the land. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:05:47 PM EDT
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30 years ago when I was a young boy I understood that when buying dimensional lumber you were paying for the lost wood when they finished it.
Unless you bought rough cut obviously. My father taught me this before I was 10, it sounds like some dad's dropped the ball here |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:07:53 PM EDT
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lol |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:08:14 PM EDT
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Isn't a quarter pounder a 1/4 pound before it's cooked. Isn't a 2x4 2"x4" before it's trimmed?
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:09:46 PM EDT
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It's always been 3.5". It's not just Home Depot or Menards. It's the entire lumber industry. Haven't these people been taught to round up?
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:11:20 PM EDT
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Regardless--it's bullshit. For those who know nothing--a tree is cut down and sawn into boards. Those boards are cut to exact size--2"X4", 4"X4", etc. They are then dried in a kiln to a certain percentage of moisture. During this time they twist, warp, and crack. The are then planed to dimensional size, which is what is sold--1 1/2" X 3 1/2" for a "2X4", etc. It's been this way since transportation allowed such things to occur. In the long past you went to a local (very local if using a horse-drawn wagon) and bought a full 2" X 4" "rough cut" board because that's what was available. It wasn't dried and it ended up warping in most cases, especially if not nailed up immediately. The "good old days" weren't exactly "good" in many ways. Edit: To further clarify, there is such a thing as "5/4 lumber"--pronounced "five quarter"--for instances where full dimension is needed. It costs more, but is available. It is rough cut to 2 1/4" X 4 1/4" then planed to a finished dimension of 2" X 4". This is most often seen on deck boards, where you need a full 1" board in order to not need so much structure underneath. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:11:47 PM EDT
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Interesting the ruling against Lowe's didn't translate to any business in the industry since those nominal sizes have been industry standards for decades.
And the board is referred to as a "2x4" not a " 2" x 4" ". |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:15:06 PM EDT
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Offer raw, damp lumber. Then they will sue because the boards are warped.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:16:00 PM EDT
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They're going to shit if they ever read a dimension chart for wide flange beams, actual depth can be more than an inch less or a couple inches more than nominal. And don't look too close at your .38 Special bullets. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:17:32 PM EDT
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I did a roof on a home in Palm Beach County that had been built in the forties. The roof framing had been sheathed in planks. Back then, the builders would hire a guy with a mobile sawmill to cut down trees and cut them into planks right there on the jobsite. Florida is not particularly known for the quality of its forests. When we pulled the shingles off the roof, we found that some of the planks were 3/4", some were less, some were more. All were varying widths, and many still showed traces of the bark on the edges. Quite a few of the planks had rotted away, so they had to be replaced. There was no way we could match them. We had to install new plywood sheathing over the entire house. Luckily, the homeowner had enough room in his budget to pay for it, but it was the only way the building inspector would let us finish the job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Regardless--it's bullshit. For those who know nothing--a tree is cut down and sawn into boards. Those boards are cut to exact size--2"X4", 4"X4", etc. They are then dried in a kiln to a certain percentage of moisture. During this time they twist, warp, and crack. The are then planed to dimensional size, which is what is sold--1 1/2" X 3 1/2" for a "2X4", etc. It's been this way since transportation allowed such things to occur. In the long past you went to a local (very local if using a horse-drawn wagon) and bought a full 2" X 4" "rough cut" board because that's what was available. It wasn't dried and it ended up warping in most cases, especially if not nailed up immediately. The "good old days" weren't exactly "good" in many ways. Edit: To further clarify, there is such a thing as "5/4 lumber"--pronounced "five quarter"--for instances where full dimension is needed. It costs more, but is available. It is rough cut to 2 1/4" X 4 1/4" then planed to a finished dimension of 2" X 4". This is most often seen on deck boards, where you need a full 1" board in order to not need so much structure underneath. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:18:49 PM EDT
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I was dumb until I went and got a bunch of 1x6s to deck out my cheap lowes trailer. I had everything measured perfectly and had a large gap on each side after laying all the planks out. I was like what the hell and measured a single board. This does not measure 1x6... I told a friend and he just laughed at me and called me an idiot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd be embarrassed I was so dumb. I was like what the hell and measured a single board. This does not measure 1x6... I told a friend and he just laughed at me and called me an idiot.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:19:01 PM EDT
[#37]
Good
The industry can agree to lie about that stuff, and it's not a big deal to me, but they really should label the dimensions of the final product like almost all other products out there. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:19:49 PM EDT
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They actually do post signs here stating that sawdust causes cancer. My new work truck came with a sticker claiming that it causes cancer. Actually, my office also has a sign stating that the building will give you cancer. I guess I'm gonna die, maybe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lumber no doubt causes cancer in California anyway, so it shouldn't be sold anywhere in the state. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:20:47 PM EDT
[#39]
I don't want to live anymore.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:21:24 PM EDT
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I hope nobody measures the diameter of a piece of 1/2-inch pipe. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:21:24 PM EDT
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Lawyers gonna lawyer I guess.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:22:16 PM EDT
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Not only were 50 year old 2x4s actually 2"x4" - they were harder wood too. And to think real carpenters used hand saws and made straight cuts. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:22:28 PM EDT
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Nothing more than an attempt at a shakedown. The could not really care less how big the boards are.
it's theft, and they should be beaten with a rod or a 2x4 |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:23:14 PM EDT
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Not exactly. Experience has taught us the true measurements, but there are unsuspecting, naïve new homeowners and others who actually believe the measurements and are surprised that nothing fits after building their projects. They don't know; they weren't taught. They get to learn the hard way and buy materials twice in some instances. There are your damages. AND, get into an old enough building and you WILL find "real" 2X4s, etc Lumber is unique where "nominal" isn't explained verses "actual". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which is fucking idiotic considering there are no fucking damages in the first place. Experience has taught us the true measurements, but there are unsuspecting, naïve new homeowners and others who actually believe the measurements and are surprised that nothing fits after building their projects. They don't know; they weren't taught. They get to learn the hard way and buy materials twice in some instances. There are your damages. AND, get into an old enough building and you WILL find "real" 2X4s, etc Lumber is unique where "nominal" isn't explained verses "actual". 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:24:22 PM EDT
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Home Depot lumber sucks. They should properly label each piece of shitty wood they sell: 2x4, 8'* *Actual dimensions: 3.6" x 2.4" x 7'11.3"; 12 degrees lateral warp; 8 degrees longitudinal warp; may include knot hole blowout; product is sold for entertainment purposes only; not for structural use |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:25:00 PM EDT
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Wait 'til they find out 2 x 8 are only 71/4"wide.
And 3/4" plywood ... isn't. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:26:29 PM EDT
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The problem with your argument is that back in the 30s (or so) lumber mills took all these thing into account and produced accurate dimensional lumber. Then they changed their ways. I can remember being completely amazed at age 16 trying to repair a wooden stairway built in the 1930s. All of a sudden my "new" replacement 2X4s weren't the same size as the old ones I was replacing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Regardless--it's bullshit. For those who know nothing--a tree is cut down and sawn into boards. Those boards are cut to exact size--2"X4", 4"X4", etc. They are then dried in a kiln to a certain percentage of moisture. During this time they twist, warp, and crack. The are then planed to dimensional size, which is what is sold--1 1/2" X 3 1/2" for a "2X4", etc. It's been this way since transportation allowed such things to occur. In the long past you went to a local (very local if using a horse-drawn wagon) and bought a full 2" X 4" "rough cut" board because that's what was available. It wasn't dried and it ended up warping in most cases, especially if not nailed up immediately. The "good old days" weren't exactly "good" in many ways. Edit: To further clarify, there is such a thing as "5/4 lumber"--pronounced "five quarter"--for instances where full dimension is needed. It costs more, but is available. It is rough cut to 2 1/4" X 4 1/4" then planed to a finished dimension of 2" X 4". This is most often seen on deck boards, where you need a full 1" board in order to not need so much structure underneath. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:27:21 PM EDT
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For what you get gyped on planed lumber, you make up for in pipe. Bought some 1" PVC pipe and got almost an extra 3/8" for free.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:28:04 PM EDT
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Hope those folks don't have to buy any pipe. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:32:27 PM EDT
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We should sue the ammo manufacturer's too! I just measured my 38 special ammo, and the bullets are only .357! I've been robbed of 0.023" I want payment!!!!
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