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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:29:09 PM EDT
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The biker kicked the car door, which in turn caused the driver to swerve .. It wasn't the cause. Driver chose. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:29:14 PM EDT
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Is this another one of those threads where we out the local bikers and then laugh when they are proven wrong?
That guy had better hope he doesn't get ID'd, because between the prison term and the settlements that is going to be his last bike. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:29:17 PM EDT
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It take about 180ms for a dollar bill to fall the length of the bill when starting from rest. Even with someone's fingers prepositioned at the bottom of the bill, most people cannot catch the dollar bill between their fingers if another person releases the bill at random. And that's with the person intently focused on the bill. From kick to contact was 350ms, maybe less. From kick to first movement of the car was a shorter timespan, yet. This looks more like the result of a reflexive reaction than a voluntary action. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:30:49 PM EDT
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Caused? I hope youre joking. It wasn't the cause. Driver chose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The biker kicked the car door, which in turn caused the driver to swerve .. It wasn't the cause. Driver chose. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:31:13 PM EDT
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Why selectively edit to try to justify retardation? Here is the rest of the quote, which was in response to someone saying he was OK with the outcome: Initially, I thought they were both at fault. After watching it a couple of more times, I think I agree with the guy saying it looked like an involuntary reflex to me. Biker was, well, trash. Biker caused the accident whether he meant to or not. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:32:40 PM EDT
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You do know what inadvertently means don't you? Plus the cowardly bike rider fled the scene. Note: This in no way means I agree with the motorcyclist. He is also a dumbass for trying to pick a kick fight with a car, and shouldn't have fled the scene. The only guy I feel bad for is the driver of the white truck. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:33:31 PM EDT
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Or the driver was simply watching the biker in the sideview in anticipation. Some in this thread trying to convince people the swerve was an involuntary reaction are either flat out dumb or playing stupid due to bias. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:34:38 PM EDT
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So you were in the car when all this happened? That was a purposful swerve with the intent of running the bike off the road. Unfortunately for them and others, it went wrong. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:36:36 PM EDT
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Caused? I hope you're joking. It wasn't the cause. Driver chose. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:39:25 PM EDT
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Article says car driver accidentally cut him off. That in no way justifies him kicking the car. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Always the bikers fault in GDs eyes. Never mind the fucktard in the car probably cut the bike off. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:40:30 PM EDT
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Now you are looking left, your hands move with you. you learn forward and your hands want to follow with you just like when you drive. You see something you steer towards it, Besides, a kick from a motorcyclist is nothing more than a noise. Surprised if it even left a dent. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:40:45 PM EDT
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The biker deserved to crash, but somehow he managed to survive. He's an asshole but a decent rider. That's what I saw too. Of course we don't know WHY he kicked the car, but there is no possible lawful justification for doing so. The reality is, something happened that instigated this, but no amount of instigation excuses the biker for kicking the car, and certainly no amount of kicking excuses the car driver from trying to kill the biker. They both made shitty decisions, and some innocents paid the price. They both deserve to be charged. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:41:49 PM EDT
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If you can prove it was involuntary I'll say you were right and I was wrong. That was a purposful swerve with the intent of running the bike off the road. Unfortunately for them and others, it went wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you were in the car when all this happened? That was a purposful swerve with the intent of running the bike off the road. Unfortunately for them and others, it went wrong. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:42:32 PM EDT
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Why selectively edit to try to justify retardation? Here is the rest of the quote, which was in response to someone saying he was OK with the outcome: Initially, I thought they were both at fault. After watching it a couple of more times, I think I agree with the guy saying it looked like an involuntary reflex to me. Biker was, well, trash. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yea, you're a class act yourself. Here is the rest of the quote, which was in response to someone saying he was OK with the outcome: WTF? SUV that was in no way involved got rolled? Ideal outcome would have been turning the biker into a greasy spot on the road, then offset front end testing the car on a jersey block. You watched it a few more times and convinced yourself of the result you WANTED? Couldn't be that the car driver was watching the biker in the rear view mirror and the minute he kicked the car he swerved could it? Pretty lame attempts at insults there champ. You're gonna have to do better than that. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:43:14 PM EDT
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Why selectively edit to try to justify retardation? Here is the rest of the quote, which was in response to someone saying he was OK with the outcome: Initially, I thought they were both at fault. After watching it a couple of more times, I think I agree with the guy saying it looked like an involuntary reflex to me. Biker was, well, trash. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:43:42 PM EDT
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If you can prove it was involuntary I'll say you were right and I was wrong. That was a purposful swerve with the intent of running the bike off the road. Unfortunately for them and others, it went wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you were in the car when all this happened? That was a purposful swerve with the intent of running the bike off the road. Unfortunately for them and others, it went wrong. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:44:16 PM EDT
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Happy about what? 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:44:55 PM EDT
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Meh. You're really reaching to come to that conclusion. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:44:58 PM EDT
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Meh. You're really reaching to come to that conclusion. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:45:04 PM EDT
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when squids and idiots collide.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:45:14 PM EDT
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Article says car driver accidentally cut him off. That in no way justifies him kicking the car. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Always the bikers fault in GDs eyes. Never mind the fucktard in the car probably cut the bike off. Biker is clearly an asshole- the car driver clearly tried to kill him though. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:45:37 PM EDT
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Bullshit. That was a "that guy shit his pants" swerve ...... when all the sudden he heard some loud ass bang. It was on purpose. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:46:45 PM EDT
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Everything that happened after the biker's kick is the bikers fault. If he put his biker Ego in his back pocket and just rode off, none of this would have happened.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:46:51 PM EDT
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Ah no, the driver was taken by surprise when the biker kicked his car and jerked the steering wheel. Biker is the asshole in this case. My bet, he was watching the bike like a hawk in his mirrors and when he saw him swerve close and raise his foot, he made the decision to swerve at the bike, because as others have already noted, if he had been surprised by that action, his response would be considered superman fast to have swerved that quickly. Reality, both are assholes, and both deserve to be charged for responding poorly to the actions of the other. (This assumes the biker kicked the car because of some prior perceived offense, rather than just kicking some random car on the road) |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:47:03 PM EDT
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Always the bikers fault in GDs eyes. Never mind the fucktard in the car probably cut the bike off. Too bad about the Avalanche driver though, and MAYBE the car driver. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:48:23 PM EDT
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If that was the case people would be running off the road like that every day due to road debris and rocks hitting their car. It was on purpose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullshit. That was a "that guy shit his pants" swerve ...... when all the sudden he heard some loud ass bang. It was on purpose. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:50:01 PM EDT
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Everything that happened after the biker's kick is the bikers fault. If he put his biker Ego in his back pocket and just rode off, none of this would have happened. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:50:25 PM EDT
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Maybe the biker trash was not seen. Then when the biker went road ragey and assaulted the car driver, the car driver did what he could to negate the threat. If you don't want to be run off the road, don't take threatening actions against car drivers. OK? Dumb ass biker scum. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:52:39 PM EDT
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Would the "I feared for my life" defense work after killing someone for tapping your car with their foot? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe the biker trash was not seen. Then when the biker went road ragey and assaulted the car driver, the car driver did what he could to negate the threat. If you don't want to be run off the road, don't take threatening actions against car drivers. OK? Dumb ass biker scum. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:53:04 PM EDT
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Or the driver was simply watching the biker in the sideview in anticipation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It take about 180ms for a dollar bill to fall the length of the bill when starting from rest. Even with someone's fingers prepositioned at the bottom of the bill, most people cannot catch the dollar bill between their fingers if another person releases the bill at random. And that's with the person intently focused on the bill. From kick to contact was 350ms, maybe less. From kick to first movement of the car was a shorter timespan, yet. This looks more like the result of a reflexive reaction than a voluntary action. Kick startles the driver, and he inadvertently moves the wheel. The motorcycle and rider weight close to 900 pounds. Car hits the engine guard of the motorcycle, and this accelerates the car's motion, leading to irrecoverable loss of control. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:53:43 PM EDT
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I miss the "Old Days"
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:53:58 PM EDT
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Something was going on before the start of the video why else would the guy be shooting video of traffic?
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:55:02 PM EDT
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Maybe the biker trash was not seen. Then when the biker went road ragey and assaulted the car driver, the car driver did what he could to negate the threat. If you don't want to be run off the road, don't take threatening actions against car drivers. OK? Dumb ass biker scum. However, saying the car driver was "negating a threat" is absolute idiocy. He could have swerved away. He could have sped up or slowed down. Instead he tried to hit the rider. He did a REAL great job negating the threat didn't he? Be real man. This biker is trash, but so is that car driver. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:56:13 PM EDT
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Something was going on before the start of the video why else would the guy be shooting video of traffic? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:56:33 PM EDT
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Car driver may be at fault for trying to swerve into the biker intentionally, or may have been startled reaction. No one but the driver can REALLY know that for certain. Actually maybe the biker does. He could possibly have seen if the swerve was the result of a wild startled twitch or a deliberate movement by a driver closely watching him approach. There is NO question though that the biker was grievously in the wrong... TWICE. Intentionally kicked the car, and then fled the scene of the accident he was involved in. Had to dodge the flipped truck in order to do so. He could very easily believe the driver was killed. He absolutely knew his kick was a contributing factor, whether or not the car was also at fault for intentionally swerving, and he GTFO. Maybe the car driver really was attempting murder. Well the biker lost his chance to tell his side by speeding off. Perfectly understandable action for someone who was in the right, yes? Honestly due to that alone, it doesn't even matter what the off-camera initiating incident was. Biker by his own choice negated any high ground he might or might not have had.
And FFS, people acting like accidents aren't possible. You ARE going to have bad interactions with other drivers on the road. That WILL happen. Whether it's the result of poor/inattentive driving, aggressive assholes, or just plain bad luck accident, if your reaction is to rage and 'get even' with the other driver, YOU are the problem. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:57:13 PM EDT
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How the f--- did the biker not get pasted! |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:57:21 PM EDT
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Um, yeah, car drive could have stayed in their own lane and took a plate # down. Replace "biker" with "car driver" in the above. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:57:55 PM EDT
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Meh. You're really reaching to come to that conclusion. Besides, a kick from a motorcyclist is nothing more than a noise. Surprised if it even left a dent. Part 1:You are Porkchop are walking down the street, suddenly he has the urge to twerk where now his gun is exposed. A man behind you tackles porkchop and calls the police because he is freaked out over a gun. Different reaction Part 1: You are @IlikePorkchops are walking down the street, suddenly he has the urge to twerk where now his gun is exposed. Now instead of a random nongun person it's @Aimless behind you. He sees the gun and asks Prkchop "what kind it is and how he wishes he lived in a free state". Both Aimless and the man seem the same events and had different reactions based on experience. Maybe this driver wasn't use to the highway and his instinkt to turn and look caused him to not realies he would also be turning thw wheel. You're reactions are different then mine, and everyones elses based on experience, so don't judge until you know. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:02:11 PM EDT
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hmm I think you are stuck on the bikers actions too much. Let me change this up for you. Part 1:You are Porkchop are walking down the street, suddenly he has the urge to twerk where now his gun is exposed. A man behind you tackles porkchop and calls the police because he is freaked out over a gun. Different reaction Part 1: You are @IlikePorkchops are walking down the street, suddenly he has the urge to twerk where now his gun is exposed. Now instead of a random nongun person it's @Aimless behind you. He sees the gun and asks Prkchop "what kind it is and how he wishes he lived in a free state". Both Aimless and the man seem the same events and had different reactions based on experience. Maybe this driver wasn't use to the highway and his instinkt to turn and look caused him to not realies he would also be turning thw wheel. You're reactions are different then mine, and everyones elses based on experience, so don't judge until you know. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:06:36 PM EDT
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Always the bikers fault in GDs eyes. Never mind the fucktard in the car probably cut the bike off. I ride but if that guy was to start kicking my door I'd have run him into the wall and not swerved away |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:08:07 PM EDT
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It's 200-250ms from the time of the kick to the first noticeable movement of the vehicle. A driver waiting to pounce with the reflexes of a ninja strains belief and common experience. Kick startles the driver, and he inadvertently moves the wheel. The motorcycle and rider weight close to 900 pounds. Car hits the engine guard of the motorcycle, and this accelerates the car's motion, leading to irrecoverable loss of control. I find it much more likely he knew he had done something to piss the biker off, was watching him like a hawk in the mirror to see if the biker would do something aggressive, and when he saw the biker raise his foot, he knew what was coming, so swerved at the biker to either retaliate or stop him from kicking the car. Either way, both were assholes and deserve to be charged. The biker deserves more, simply for fleeing the scene. This exemplifies, just like when carrying a firearm, why you should think before you act in such a situation, because you do NOT know what the end result might be. The biker probably figured he'd get a good kick in to show how pissed off he was and then zoom by into the distance. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:08:49 PM EDT
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So, no one is going to mention that this whole goat fuck happened in oncoming traffic the whole time?
Yeah, the car totally reacted to being kicked, while they both were being retarded in oncoming traffic. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:11:08 PM EDT
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So, no one is going to mention that this whole goat fuck happened in oncoming traffic the whole time? Yeah, the car totally reacted to being kicked, while they both were being retarded in oncoming traffic.
lol. Do you not see the concrete median barrier between the two directions of flow? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:11:18 PM EDT
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Kicking the car in no way justifies the driver intentionally hitting the bike then losing control and hitting an innocent motorist, sending him to the hospital. Many of us are essentially a mirror where we reflect back that which is directed at us. If the car moved into the lane and cut off the bike he acted intentionally when moving up to kick that car. Car reacted intentionally as well. Both chose poorly. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:12:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryExactly. The driver was fixated on the motorcycle in the sideview (because the driver was trying to kill him) and not looking forward at the road, that is why he overswerved and lost control.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:12:33 PM EDT
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So, no one is going to mention that this whole goat fuck happened in oncoming traffic the whole time? Yeah, the car totally reacted to being kicked, while they both were being retarded in oncoming traffic.
lol. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:13:00 PM EDT
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If you can prove it was involuntary I'll say you were right and I was wrong. That was a purposful swerve with the intent of running the bike off the road. Unfortunately for them and others, it went wrong. And, there is some physiological evidence that indicates you can't, i.e. reaction times. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:13:48 PM EDT
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"Gasp!!!"
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:14:12 PM EDT
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If you can prove it was involuntary I'll say you were right and I was wrong. That was a purposful swerve with the intent of running the bike off the road. Unfortunately for them and others, it went wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you were in the car when all this happened? That was a purposful swerve with the intent of running the bike off the road. Unfortunately for them and others, it went wrong. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 3:14:38 PM EDT
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"Police are now investigating the incident as a hit and run - and hunting the biker, who they say left one of the drivers hospitalized" "He told NBC Los Angeles he started filming after he saw a sedan in the carpool lane inadvertently cut off the motorbike, leading to an exchange of words." Define "inadvertently cut off" please, do this without being a bad ass biker for a moment. Who is to say "inadvertently cut off " doesn't mean they both went to merge into a lane and the larger vehicle won making them the cutoffer. you are right the biker doesn't deserve to be attacked, but big badden on a bike doesn't make it where you can attack someone else and then be shocked you made someone mad. I believe it's writting a check your ass can't cash? Once again though this is no bias just question as to why nonbikers upset you so much. Inadvertently means accidentally. So, according to the witness, the car cut off the bike. Do you really want to try to convince me that the biker didn't see the car and cut off the car? Seriously? I have never claimed to be a "bad ass biker". I don't belong to a 1%'er club, I don't hang out with them. I don't go out and get drunk in biker bars and get in fights. I don't fuck fat, skanky biker chicks. Well, OK, maybe once in my younger years when I was really drunk . If just enjoying riding one of my motorcycles makes me a "bad ass biker" well, I guess I am one then.
I don't dislike non-bikers. I dislike dumbfucks who don't pay attention to driving. It was bad before cell phones and it's multiple times worse now. I'd say 30-40% of the people I pass on my way to and from work are fucking with their phones. Cutting people off, holding up traffic on the highway (someone going 45 in a 60 yesterday, texting, on the freeway during rush hour), 3 lane sweeps with no signal to make an exit they almost missed. That's why I dislike SOME car drivers. |
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