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Posted: 6/16/2017 8:53:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2017 8:53:58 PM EDT
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ARF proves once again that it's both a great source of up to the second info, and a cesspool of ignorance. Thanks to those providing useful info. Prayers for the injured. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 8:55:19 PM EDT
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I couldn't even join reserves I've been diabetic since I was 17 insulin dependent. So I was fucked before I had a chance. Also I am not some fat guy either 6'1" 205 pounds and I walk and work out daily. My comments above are just that my shock at how bad our country is at protecting itself. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 8:55:22 PM EDT
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I can see the hole below water line I think...(from big pic posted earlier). 2:30am hull breach jesus.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 8:56:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2017 8:57:45 PM EDT
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Neither could the Fitzgerald's OOW. Just how many people would be on watch in the wheelhouse underway on a Burke? least thats what was there on the tincan i was on. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:00:11 PM EDT
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Bring her home |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:00:18 PM EDT
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At least the seas look calm. Maybe a 4-6 ft swell. I hope they can get the ship in port before any weather sets in. does the navy have any fleet tugs in Yakuska? I'm sure a Japanese civilian tug can be sent out to stand by. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:02:14 PM EDT
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I'm late to the party. Is everyone accounted for? I saw a report of sailors missing. Someone else touched on it, but that cargo ship, it does appear to be cracked horizontally across the bow. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:03:24 PM EDT
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If the container ship was within the 112 1/2 degree arc of the stbd side light it was not overtaking, it was crossing. Crossing vessel within that arc is stand on vessel. I was a 3rd mate on container ships years ago. One thing I remember clearly is that gray boats often felt entitled to right of way even when they had no right to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I think that changes things. The merchant was overtaking? ETA: One was overtaking the other. I was a 3rd mate on container ships years ago. One thing I remember clearly is that gray boats often felt entitled to right of way even when they had no right to it. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:04:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:06:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:06:15 PM EDT
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I saw 7 still unaccounted for earlier. Someone else touched on it, but that cargo ship, it does appear to be cracked horizontally across the bow. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm late to the party. Is everyone accounted for? I saw a report of sailors missing. Someone else touched on it, but that cargo ship, it does appear to be cracked horizontally across the bow.  Memorial Day 2020 - U.S. Naval Academy Glee Club - U.S.S. Arizona Memorial |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:06:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryEdit. No I see a big fucking hole behind the hose. 
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:06:29 PM EDT
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Another perspective.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:06:43 PM EDT
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bring her home
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:09:20 PM EDT
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I was ignoring the fire hose when circling the hole with M$paint... now I notice it's the only one under water. (in my mom's basement on computer screen)
so they've airlifted one sailor. I hope that's the end of it but I fear the worst. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:10:19 PM EDT
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My only qualifications are helmsman and lookout on a submarine. That and many years of department training on collisions and groundings. But after looking at the pics again, the only thing that makes sense to me is one turning in front of the other in an overtaking scenario. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I think that changes things. The merchant was overtaking? ETA: One was overtaking the other. I was a 3rd mate on container ships years ago. One thing I remember clearly is that gray boats often felt entitled to right of way even when they had no right to it. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:10:26 PM EDT
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Where the container ship cell phone video?
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:11:09 PM EDT
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I'm late to the party. Is everyone accounted for? I saw a report of sailors missing. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:12:25 PM EDT
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Story just broke on the local news. I knew it would be here first.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:13:09 PM EDT
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If its made of steel, it can be fixed. 
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:14:11 PM EDT
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lol how do you collide with a container ship, in the ocean, with all that technology? |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:14:33 PM EDT
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From the USNI:
Seven sailors are missing after a U.S. guided-missile destroyer collided with a Philippine-flagged container ship off the coast of Japan, a Navy official confirmed to USNI News on Friday night.USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62) collided with ACX Crystal at about 02:30 AM on Saturday local time or about 1:30 PM EST on Friday, U.S. 7th Fleet told USNI News. The collision resulted in significant damage to the destroyer, the loss of the seven sailors and a serious injury to the ship’s commander, the Navy official confirmed to USNI News. “The Japanese Coast Guard is on scene and providing assistance at the request of the U.S. Navy. Japan Coast Guard cutters Izunami and Kano are on station, as well as a helicopter,” U.S. 7th Fleet said in a statement around 7 PM EST. Ship commander Cmdr. Bryce Benson has been medevaced from the destroyer and a second medical evacuation was in progress, a Navy official told USNI News.“USS Fitzgerald suffered damage on her starboard side above and below the waterline. The collision resulted in some flooding. The ship’s crew is responding to the casualty. The full extent of damage is being determined,” the statement said.
“Fitzgerald is under her own power, although her propulsion is limited.”Two Navy tugs, destroyer USS Dewey (DDG-105) and Navy aircraft have been dispatched to assist the ship.Navy Times reported, “that Auxiliary Machine Room 1 and two crew berthings were completely flooded. Given the late hour, most crewmembers not standing watch would be in the berthing.”The condition of Crystal is unknown at this time.Press reports from Japan said that some sailors from the ship were unaccounted for but a Navy spokesman would not confirm the information when contacted by USNI News.Fitzgerald is part of the U.S. Forward Deployed Naval Forces based in mainland Japan and attached to U.S. 7th Fleet. The following is the complete statement from U.S. 7th Fleet. PHILIPPINE SEA (NNS) — USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) was involved in a collision with a merchant vessel at approximately 2:30 a.m. local time, June 17, while operating about 56 nautical miles southwest of Yokosuka, Japan.The Japanese Coast Guard is on scene and providing assistance at the request of the U.S. Navy. Japan Coast Guard cutters IZUNAMI and KANO are on station, as well as a helicopter.The USS Fitzgerald is under her own power, although her propulsion is limited.The USS Fitzgerald suffered damage on her starboard side above and below the waterline. The collision resulted in some flooding. The ship’s crew is responding to the casualty. The full extent of damage is being determined.The extent of number of personnel injuries is being determined. Currently working with the Japanese Coast Guard to conduct a medevac via helicopter for one Sailor.The USS Dewey (DDG 105), medical assistance and two Navy tugs are being dispatched as quickly as practicable to provide assistance. Naval aircraft are also being readied. 
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:15:26 PM EDT
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Story just broke on the local news. I knew it would be here first.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:16:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLooks repairable (even considering the underwater damage assuming the flooding is under control).
Maybe $5-10m to fix (but being a Government contract it will turn into a $25-50m project)
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:18:34 PM EDT
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Looks repairable (even considering the underwater damage assuming the flooding is under control). Maybe $5-10m to fix (but being a Government contract it will turn into a $25-50m project) 
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:20:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:20:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:21:41 PM EDT
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Looks repairable (even considering the underwater damage assuming the flooding is under control). Maybe $5-10m to fix (but being a Government contract it will turn into a $25-50m project) Quote HistoryQuoted:
Looks repairable (even considering the underwater damage assuming the flooding is under control).
Maybe $5-10m to fix (but being a Government contract it will turn into a $25-50m project) |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:22:39 PM EDT
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Wow, 2 berthing areas completely flooded during night watch and only 7 missing. That's amazing, I'd expect more. I would assume all 7 to be lost unfortunately.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:25:31 PM EDT
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The more and more I see shit like this it boggles my mind. Seriously were supposed to be the best military in the world and we cannot stop jets from flying into buildings, and terrorists out of our country. What the hell will a navy destroyer ever destroy in war if it cannot avoid a civilian cargo ship. Now the Japanese know instead of warships to fight our fleet just get the civilian ships to take out our navy. Bumper boat wars. I suppose our tax dollars will pay for this shit to. Between U.N. cutting our nuts off to fight wars and our countries growing incompetence I am thinking we will never win another conflict until we tell them all to fuck off. If that captain did his job or the officer on the deck had. That boat would be 100% and cargo ship would have been sunk to avoid this. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:26:13 PM EDT
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I thought they had radar. Somebody's naval career will be coming to an end. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:27:41 PM EDT
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You mean to tellme that the Navy ship could not have gotten out of the way.
Really? Hate to be that Captain.. 
ETA 15. Crossing situationsWhen two power-driven vessels are crossing, the vessel which has the other on the starboard side must give way and avoid crossing ahead of her.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Regulations_for_Preventing_Collisions_at_Sea#cite_note-full_text_COLREGS-11][11][/url][page needed] The saying is "If to starboard red appear, 'tis your duty to keep clear".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Regulations_for_Preventing_Collisions_at_Sea#cite_note-18][18][/url] "...Act as judgement says is proper: port or starboard, back or stop her."16. The give-way vesselThe give-way vessel must take early and substantial action to keep well clear 
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:27:44 PM EDT
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You ever do that confused shuffle in a hallway or bump into someone while walking? How about a "slam on the brakes" moment in a car? That's how, just with worse maneuverability. Stood many bridge and combat watches in 20 years as a SWO. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:29:26 PM EDT
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Now that I know the name of the other ship I can look up its track line.
In this first pic, which I suspect is just before the impact the ACX Crystal is going close to 18kts.  Attached FileIn this second screenshot you see the Crystal has turned back and is down to steerageway. I suspect she turned back to render assistance to the Fitz.  Attached FileIf you look at that track line at the point where I suspect the collision happened you will see the Crystal made a stbd turn, as the rules require when risk of collision is eminent. You guys can go to MarineTraffic.com/ais and look for yourselves. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:29:48 PM EDT
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Looking awful low in the water.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:32:30 PM EDT
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Sounds like berthings 1 and 2 flooded, along with AUX1. A lot of people in there, wouldn't be surprised if some never made it out.
Captain seriously injured, his stateroom is in that area.
I used to sleep on port side of berthing 1. In the pictures, it looks like the captain's stateroom was hit. I'm sure berthing 2 got fucked up. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:32:35 PM EDT
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You suppose they have flooded compartments below the waterline?
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:32:59 PM EDT
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The more and more I see shit like this it boggles my mind. Seriously were supposed to be the best military in the world and we cannot stop jets from flying into buildings, and terrorists out of our country. What the hell will a navy destroyer ever destroy in war if it cannot avoid a civilian cargo ship. Now the Japanese know instead of warships to fight our fleet just get the civilian ships to take out our navy. Bumper boat wars. I suppose our tax dollars will pay for this shit to. Between U.N. cutting our nuts off to fight wars and our countries growing incompetence I am thinking we will never win another conflict until we tell them all to fuck off. If that captain did his job or the officer on the deck had. That boat would be 100% and cargo ship would have been sunk to avoid this. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:33:06 PM EDT
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You suppose they have flooded compartments below the waterline? |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:33:54 PM EDT
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Looks repairable (even considering the underwater damage assuming the flooding is under control). Maybe $5-10m to fix (but being a Government contract it will turn into a $25-50m project) Quote HistoryQuoted:
Looks repairable (even considering the underwater damage assuming the flooding is under control).
Maybe $5-10m to fix (but being a Government contract it will turn into a $25-50m project) Kharn |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:34:10 PM EDT
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Seriously, how in the blue fuck does me not wanting to see anybody injured; never mind the fucking fact that personnel are already injured and I am hoping that their injuries aren't severe at lease according to the reports I read warrant a ban this motherfucker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone please ban this motherfucker asap! |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:34:27 PM EDT
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Waaaaay more than that. For starters, you'll notice one of the SPY emitters is wrecked. Deckhouses on Aegis ships are built to incredibly tight tolerances, so there's a ton of metal and wiring that needs to be cut out and replaced.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:34:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:35:49 PM EDT
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You mean to tellme that the Navy ship could not have gotten out of the way. Really? Hate to be that Captain.. 
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:36:19 PM EDT
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Now that I know the name of the other ship I can look up its track line. In this first pic, which I suspect is just before the impact the ACX Crystal is going close to 18kts. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298946/IMG-2919-232356.JPG In this second screenshot you see the Crystal has turned back and is down to steerageway. I suspect she turned back to render assistance to the Fitz. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298946/IMG-2920-232358.JPG If you look at that track line at the point where I suspect the collision happened you will see the Crystal made a stbd turn, as the rules require when risk of collision is eminent. You guys can go to MarineTraffic.com/ais and look for yourselves. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:38:04 PM EDT
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Be safe.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:38:55 PM EDT
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When it takes that 90 deg to starboard it barely slowed down (only a couple of knots). In fact it never really reduced speed until it made the turn back to the SW. Strange. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:39:54 PM EDT
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When it takes that 90 deg to starboard it barely slowed down (only a couple of knots). In fact it never really reduced speed until it made the turn back to the SW. Strange. |
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