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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:49:53 PM EDT

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It ended better when the USS George Washington hit the Japanese freighter. The freighter sank but George Washington was relatively undamaged.

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:49:56 PM EDT

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it would suck to be the captain of a warship sunk by a boat full of MP3 players......

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:52:52 PM EDT

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Somebody tell me how you can accidentally not see an entire cargo ship. Don't they have radar? A cargo ship is kind of big.

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One of the things that you need to realize is that unlike your car, ships can't stop in a few feet.

There are also rules to navigation at sea and not everyone abides by those rules.

They likely saw it coming but did not have the time or distance to safely evade collision.

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:53:31 PM EDT

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@KennyW1983 Are the terms ''privileged" and "burdened" obsolete?

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No but in the USCG Rules of the Road book they use the terms "stand on" and "give way".

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My personal Rules book is old but they haven't changed those terms.

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:53:43 PM EDT

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An avoidable accident.

That ship will have a brand new skipper and exec staff after repairs and a formal inquiry.

Any job openings for a captain of a freighter full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong?

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:54:27 PM EDT

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How does a collision like that happen?

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Exactly how does and bigass ship not see another bigass ship from a mile off?

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:55:10 PM EDT

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That entirely depends on how retarded the people on the bridge were and if they acted wrongfully and willfully.

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:56:01 PM EDT

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DEVELOPING: USS Fitzgerald severely damaged, reportedly taking on water; crew members reported missing pic.twitter.com/IL8SrdkBsV
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:56:10 PM EDT

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I couldn't even join reserves I've been diabetic since I was 17 insulin dependent. So I was fucked before I had a chance. Also I am not some fat guy either 6'1" 205 pounds and I walk and work out daily. My comments above are just that my shock at how bad our country is at protecting itself.

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Wow, I never would have guessed you were older than 15 let alone actually older than 17.

I get it, life can be frustrating. Everything is relative though, hitting a container vessel sucks but we still have the best Navy in the world.

Where 9/11 plays into this I don't understand. Additionally I think that comment was incredibly out of line. We have the freedom to travel the world easily, sometimes freedoms come with vulnerabilities that are just part of the cost.

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:56:21 PM EDT

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ITT we learn who doesn't drive boats for living.

No excuse for this collision, that being said shit happens. And shit happens when you are a navy ship whe you have entirely too many people in the wheelhouse.

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:57:21 PM EDT

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lol how do you collide with a container ship, in the ocean, with all that technology?

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Whale wars seems to have no problems.

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:57:38 PM EDT

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No but in the USCG Rules of the Road book they use the terms "stand on" and "give way".

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My personal Rules book is old but they haven't changed those terms.

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What exposure I do have to shiphandling rules was in a lake by an old tymer.

Posted: 6/16/2017 6:58:41 PM EDT

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NHK reporting 7 sailors from the Fitzgerald unaccounted for:

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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:02:33 PM EDT

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I wonder how much time the guys in the wheelhouse had to think about how terribly things had gone wrong before they were actually struck.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:02:52 PM EDT

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No but in the USCG Rules of the Road book they use the terms "stand on" and "give way".

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damn there you go getting the rules of the road out.
i want to know what the fuck the lookouts and qmow were doing during this.
no signalmen anymore so wtf.
CO, XO, and navigator are fucked doubly since they were the give way ship looking at the damage.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:03:01 PM EDT

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An avoidable accident.

That ship will have a brand new skipper and exec staff after repairs and a formal inquiry.

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If anyone dies, someone will be doing time in the Mil pen.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:06:13 PM EDT

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I hope the skipper has given some thought to what he would like to do with the rest of his life after the Navy.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:06:50 PM EDT

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Somebody fucks up.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:07:10 PM EDT

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damn there you go getting the rules of the road out.
i want to know what the fuck the lookouts and qmow were doing during this.
no signalmen anymore so wtf.
CO, XO, and navigator are fucked doubly since they were the give way ship looking at the damage.

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I feel for the CO. If he was off the bridge and his standing orders were ignored then the OOD's incompetence will be the undoing of his career.

Almost every vessel's first standing order is to wake the captain when in doubt.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:07:25 PM EDT

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it would suck to be the captain of a warship sunk by a boat full of MP3 players......

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And now you know why the Navy insists that rubber dog shit from Hong Kong be flown on airplanes instead of shipped by ocean going vessels.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:09:04 PM EDT

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I hope the skipper has given some thought to what he would like to do with the rest of his life after the Navy.

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Most likely go to work for Exxon or BP.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:11:27 PM EDT

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Most likely go to work for Exxon or BP.

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Ouch.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:11:37 PM EDT

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Maybe you should sign up and get things squared away.

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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:16:57 PM EDT

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I feel for the CO. If he was off the bridge and his standing orders were ignored then the OOD's incompetence will be the undoing of his career.

Almost every vessel's first standing order is to wake the captain when in doubt.

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It is alleged that the skipper of the Vincennes was taking a shit when they shot down the airliner.

It didn't matter.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:17:38 PM EDT

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Lag. Or

DD driver was probably a noob and popped smoke to early.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:21:57 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:22:38 PM EDT

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Those bilge discharges and gunwale top are usually much higher above the waterline. She is flooding for sure. There is a lot of freeboard wet now. I hope not sinking. She needs more pumps and less holes.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:22:39 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:25:23 PM EDT

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wow

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:27:11 PM EDT

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There are injuries.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:27:50 PM EDT

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Well I think that changes things. The merchant was overtaking?

ETA: One was overtaking the other.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:27:59 PM EDT

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Is this the next Captain for the Sea Shepherds?

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:29:24 PM EDT

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Well that's a bit cream crackered

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:29:32 PM EDT

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There are injuries.

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Assuming there is significant damage below the waterline, which looks almost certain, there would be a lot of sailors sleeping in berthing right in that impact area. Looking really bad.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:31:22 PM EDT

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Because warships are subject to COLREGS as well, and judging from the impact zone, the Burke was quite likely primarily responsible for the incident.

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Yup with the damage to starboard, it appears the freighter was the stand on vessel and the Fitzgerald, the give way.

I doubt if the freighter was overtaking the destroyer.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:32:55 PM EDT

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Well I think that changes things. The merchant was overtaking?

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Well I think that changes things. The merchant was overtaking?

My first thought was that the DDG must have been overtaking on the container ship's port and turned to starboard in front of it.

That container ship has a giant bulbous bow, by the way. I'm thinking there's a lot of damage below the waterline.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:32:58 PM EDT

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If only there was a way to detect other ships in the area...

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There is...but it appears they were all busy running a sodomite sensitivity drill.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:37:05 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:41:05 PM EDT

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Well I think that changes things. The merchant was overtaking?

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It could be that the container ship was turning hard to stbd (which is what the rules tell you to do) and it was a grazing blow instead of head on.

I'm not sure how you could get damage to the Burke's stbd bow and the cargo ship's port bow from an overtaking unless the cargo ship was trying to ram the Burke or vise versa.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:43:50 PM EDT

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Lag. Or

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BMOW is usually higher qualified for steering the ship and available to take control if needed.
been a long time since i drove a ship. that ship is parked about 10 miles from me now. USS El Paso.
1 year as a deck ape. 11 years as a signalman and 8 as MAA.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:48:22 PM EDT

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Jesus Christ

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:53:03 PM EDT

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Couple of ski boats running around drunk on a small lake I can understand. Two huge ships with all kinds of radar, a trained crew, out in the middle of the ocean I cannot understand.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:53:14 PM EDT

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No way this is as it appears, right?

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:53:42 PM EDT

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A (relatively) smaller boat assumes a container ship can turn or stop on a dime and proceeds accordingly.

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:54:25 PM EDT

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I have a MK25 so i'm basically a navy seal now but i'm going to need a ms paint on what some of you are suggesting happened.

Did the pewpew ship cut in front of the radio shack crap ship?

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:57:11 PM EDT

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Maybe Lil Kim was driving the freighter?

Praying everyone will be accounted for and survive

Posted: 6/16/2017 7:59:13 PM EDT

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That was the ship one of our august members served on several years ago. He has either moved on, or running the show on there now.

A photo from better days - Whoops, this is the Gonzalez :