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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:09:31 PM EDT
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Looking at the stamping-690 BAR? Pressure designation right? Are they low recoil rounds? IIRC Remington Nitro-Steel duck loads are 1050 BAR. Might be a good choice for all of us who are buying Shockwaves.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:16:06 PM EDT
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Looking at the stamping-690 BAR? Pressure designation right? Are they low recoil rounds? IIRC Remington Nitro-Steel duck loads are 1050 BAR. Might be a good choice for all of us who are buying Shockwaves. 
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:20:34 PM EDT
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With a name like that, I'd expect 3.5"...at least.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:24:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryChinese?
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:29:26 PM EDT
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Nope, 1600 FPS. For men only. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:31:17 PM EDT
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these are better...
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:31:44 PM EDT
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Oh Shit, ammo for Black people! Talk about Politically Correct! Fuck Hornady too!
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:35:35 PM EDT
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It's a new line from Hornady. There's also rifle ammo. I think it's supposed to represent "tactical" without using that word. I got the impression it was supposed to be a bit less expensive than their regular lines but my LGS has it like, $9 for 20 in 5.56. Not cheap. But they may just be trading on the newness of it. I haven't found a lot of information about it yet. For about half the price. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:36:07 PM EDT
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Shaft is black. Packs a huge load. Sounds like an appropriate name.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:56:40 PM EDT
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Can you imagine that being introduced into evidence at Trial?
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Posted: 6/2/2017 12:00:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat thar be them Dam Son .745 Asain rounds they used in the Nam produced in the Ding Bang Ow plant.
Headstamp should look like this ><. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 12:05:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat's your problem with Asians?
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Posted: 6/2/2017 12:08:11 AM EDT
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How well do they work, if at all?
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Posted: 6/2/2017 2:58:36 AM EDT
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If it patterns well (meaning acceptably in your gun) you don't necessarily need the VT wad. But I'd draw a hard line if it doesn't have plated pellets. You absolutely need those in a defensive round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i looked for it also, doesn't appear to have it - my critical defense does. But I'd draw a hard line if it doesn't have plated pellets. You absolutely need those in a defensive round. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:29:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:37:21 AM EDT
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Why is plated necessary? |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 6:21:46 AM EDT
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What's your problem with Asians? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/2/2017 6:27:31 AM EDT
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Wow, you can buy Remington 3inch 00 buckshot cheaper than that. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 6:28:43 AM EDT
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Explain these 
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Posted: 6/2/2017 6:38:41 AM EDT
[#20]
A black buck?
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Posted: 6/2/2017 7:16:55 AM EDT
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A black buck? |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 7:36:39 AM EDT
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At one time weren't shotgun shells color-coded for gauge or did it just seem that way?
I seem to remember red for 12, yellow for 20, and purple for 16. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 8:16:18 AM EDT
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Its too bad they didnt use the black tinted nickel like they use in their TAP rifle ammo instead of the high brass. That would actually be pretty cool and would justify that selling price.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 8:50:48 AM EDT
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so they changed the graphics on the box and print color on the shells.
probably exact same thing as these . . 
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Posted: 6/2/2017 10:25:33 AM EDT
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so they changed the graphics on the box and print color on the shells. probably exact same thing as these . . http://www.njrod.com/images/guns/00buckhornadyzombie.jpg Didnt they stop making the zmax line? |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 10:39:59 AM EDT
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Once you go black... |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 10:46:26 AM EDT
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If it patterns well (meaning acceptably in your gun) you don't necessarily need the VT wad. 
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Posted: 6/2/2017 10:50:24 AM EDT
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You have something against Japanese people? Because that was over in like, the 50's.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 12:44:22 PM EDT
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Why is plated necessary? One of the primary reasons Ed Moralez had to finish Platt and Mattix with his revolver was because the lead buckshot he had in the 12 gauge performed so poorly. You definitely want hardened pellets if you intend to use buckshot against someone who is trying to kill you. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:43:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOnly legal during Oompa Lumpa season.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:47:45 PM EDT
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Plated pellets resist deformation during acceleration out the barrel better (meaning they are not as prone to flat-spotting and flying wild) and they retain the ability to penetrate better even if they hit structures like bone. One of the primary reasons Ed Moralez had to finish Platt and Mattix with his revolver was because the lead buckshot he had in the 12 gauge performed so poorly. You definitely want hardened pellets if you intend to use buckshot against someone who is trying to kill you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is plated necessary? One of the primary reasons Ed Moralez had to finish Platt and Mattix with his revolver was because the lead buckshot he had in the 12 gauge performed so poorly. You definitely want hardened pellets if you intend to use buckshot against someone who is trying to kill you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 6:20:28 PM EDT
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You're a single mom? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Once you go black... |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 7:16:13 PM EDT
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The wiki article sez Mireles hit Platt in both feet with the 870. Then his pesonal 357 finished the job. It's a good article btw. And this is how we got to 10mm Kurtz!! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 7:17:34 PM EDT
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So a couple of shot's to the feet won't stop a thug. Who woulda thunk? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The wiki article sez Mireles hit Platt in both feet with the 870. Then his pesonal 357 finished the job. It's a good article btw. And this is how we got to 10mm Kurtz!! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 7:20:19 PM EDT
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Tried some of the Hornady Black in 5.56 and 6.8 Really good ammo. Grouped well in any of the guns I tried it in.
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Posted: 6/2/2017 7:23:12 PM EDT
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so they changed the graphics on the box and print color on the shells. probably exact same thing as these . . http://www.njrod.com/images/guns/00buckhornadyzombie.jpg |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 7:25:28 PM EDT
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I hate it when a perp walks away from the regular, $0.30/rnd, 00 Buck.
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Posted: 6/3/2017 4:59:25 PM EDT
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The wiki article sez Mireles hit Platt in both feet with the 870. Then his pesonal 357 finished the job. It's a good article btw. And this is how we got to 10mm Kurtz!! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 5:45:57 PM EDT
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I hate it when a perp walks away from the regular, $0.30/rnd, 00 Buck.
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