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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:09:32 PM EDT
with the 6.5mm being all the rage now with the Creedmoor, Grendel, and even the .260 Rem finally getting the attention it deserves why is the 6.5-06 still a wildcat?
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:10:59 PM EDT
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25-06?
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:11:19 PM EDT
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As 6.5mm grows and if sales duplicate its potential it will be mainstreamed like .30.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:11:31 PM EDT
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I'm with you. I don't own one, but boy can those bullets shoot flat!
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:12:03 PM EDT
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Also, no one wants long action rifles any more.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:15:20 PM EDT
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Do you mean the 6.5 A Square?
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:16:32 PM EDT
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When you are able to tell whose  thread it is before opening it...
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:17:02 PM EDT
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Because it doesn't fill any niches? Just a guess. The grendel essentially gives near 308 performance in a much lighter platform.

The 25-06 has been doing exactly what the 6.5-06 does for decades, so I don't see it being necessary to offer commercially unless the ballistics or projectile selection offers any real advantage. I would say 7mm-06 would be more favorable with the range of projectiles available. A bit of a jump in diameter though.

Edit: meant grendel, not creedmoor.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:22:34 PM EDT
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Because it doesn't fill any niches? Just a guess. The grendel essentially gives near 308 performance in a much lighter platform.

The 25-06 has been doing exactly what the 6.5-06 does for decades, so I don't see it being necessary to offer commercially unless the ballistics or projectile selection offers any real advantage. I would say 7mm-06 would be more favorable with the range of projectiles available. A bit of a jump in diameter though.

Edit: meant grendel, not creed moor.
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It's called a 280 Remington.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:25:55 PM EDT
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am I that predictable

I know I'm late to the 6.5 love fest
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:28:03 PM EDT
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am I that predictable

I know I'm late to the 6.5 love fest
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am I that predictable

I know I'm late to the 6.5 love fest
Pretty much.

It's cool though, I enjoy your threads.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:28:50 PM EDT
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Because it is a barrel burner ..
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:33:09 PM EDT
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Because it is a barrel burner ..
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Buy barrels with barrel nuts....
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:34:00 PM EDT
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Do you mean the 6.5 A Square?
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did they legitimize it?


looking around no major company loads for it
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:36:22 PM EDT
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Because 7-08, 280 and 260.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:42:55 PM EDT
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Probably because there are MANY short action rounds with similar performance.  Because there are so many short action rounds made by manufacturers who are profiting from those rounds, no one wants/needs to sponsor the round with SAAMI when such a sponsorship might reduce their profits.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:45:27 PM EDT
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Because it SUCKS! 6.5 bullets are European odd balls, NO ballistic advantage over our tried & true calibers!  People that know, understand this.  Get with it Bud, go buy a .270win!
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:45:40 PM EDT
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did they legitimize it?


looking around no major company loads for it
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Yes, but I am not aware of anyone who makes factory rifles in it. The original 6.5 A Square was the .260 Rem when it was a wildcat. Then Remington standardized it so A square began necking down 30-06 cases to 6.5mm and a new 6.5 A Square was born.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:47:59 PM EDT
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Because it SUCKS! 6.5 bullets are European odd balls, NO ballistic advantage over our tried & true calibers!  People that know, understand this.  Get with it Bud, go buy a .270win!
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I've already got two .270s
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:52:44 PM EDT
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check out the 26 Nosler

http://www.26nosler.com/
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:54:07 PM EDT
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Because 6.5x55
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:56:11 PM EDT
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Yeah, like a Savage...

Buy the gun with a 24 inch barrel....then as the throat and muzzle erodes, send barrel out to get cut down by a half inch on each end, re-ream chamber, re-crown muzzle, re-install barrel at home.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:56:16 PM EDT
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Does the 6.5-06 offer any significant improvements over 6.5 Creedmore?  Honest question, I have no idea.

Considering short action cartridges are the new black these days, it would really take significant improvement for 6.5-06 to gain traction.  

I really like 6.5x55 Swede.  It's a 6.5 and I don't see any manufacturers rushing to put out rifles chambered for it.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 2:56:39 PM EDT
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1000 round barrel life, that's why.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 3:01:55 PM EDT
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6.5x55 Swede is all you need.

Load it up a bit for a modern action and it delivers yet gives long barrel life with accuracy second to none.

If I didn't have the Swede's, I would want a 6.5-06.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 3:03:42 PM EDT
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I really like 6.5x55 Swede.  It's a 6.5 and I don't see any manufacturers rushing to put out rifles chambered for it.
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Lots of manufacturers make rifles in 6.5x55, but they tend to be "fudd rifles" so they're not very popular on Arf.

A friend of mine did a build on a Tikka-action in 6.5x55 Ackley Improved, and mated it to a modified TRG stock. If I were to build a tactical rifle that'd be the route I'd take.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 3:07:42 PM EDT
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Lots of manufacturers make rifles in 6.5x55, but they tend to be "fudd rifles" so they're not very popular on Arf.

A friend of mine did a build on a Tikka-action in 6.5x55 Ackley Improved, and mated it to a modified TRG stock. If I were to build a tactical rifle that'd be the route I'd take.
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I really like 6.5x55 Swede.  It's a 6.5 and I don't see any manufacturers rushing to put out rifles chambered for it.
Lots of manufacturers make rifles in 6.5x55, but they tend to be "fudd rifles" so they're not very popular on Arf.

A friend of mine did a build on a Tikka-action in 6.5x55 Ackley Improved, and mated it to a modified TRG stock. If I were to build a tactical rifle that'd be the route I'd take.
Oh, I know they're out there.  Tikka, Howa and CZ are all currently producing 6.5x55 Swedes, probably a few others.   But it seems just about everybody is starting to jump on the 6.5 Creedmore bandwagon.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 3:10:04 PM EDT
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Oh, I know they're out there.  Tikka, Howa and CZ are all currently producing 6.5x55 Swedes, probably a few others.   But it seems just about everybody is starting to jump on the 6.5 Creedmore bandwagon.
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I really like 6.5x55 Swede.  It's a 6.5 and I don't see any manufacturers rushing to put out rifles chambered for it.
Lots of manufacturers make rifles in 6.5x55, but they tend to be "fudd rifles" so they're not very popular on Arf.

A friend of mine did a build on a Tikka-action in 6.5x55 Ackley Improved, and mated it to a modified TRG stock. If I were to build a tactical rifle that'd be the route I'd take.
Oh, I know they're out there.  Tikka, Howa and CZ are all currently producing 6.5x55 Swedes, probably a few others.   But it seems just about everybody is starting to jump on the 6.5 Creedmore bandwagon.
That's understandable. The Creedmor is a great round for short action rifles, so I don't blame anyone for going that route.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 3:20:45 PM EDT
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Because it SUCKS! 6.5 bullets are European odd balls, NO ballistic advantage over our tried & true calibers!  People that know, understand this.  Get with it Bud, go buy a .270win!
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...and there went your credibility.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 3:26:28 PM EDT
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Yeah, like a Savage...

Buy the gun with a 24 inch barrel....then as the throat and muzzle erodes, send barrel out to get cut down by a half inch on each end, re-ream chamber, re-crown muzzle, re-install barrel at home.
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Buy barrels with barrel nuts....
Yeah, like a Savage...

Buy the gun with a 24 inch barrel....then as the throat and muzzle erodes, send barrel out to get cut down by a half inch on each end, re-ream chamber, re-crown muzzle, re-install barrel at home.
LOL!  The barrel erodes at the throat .  Doesn't do any good to do anything to the muzzle when the barrel is shot out.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 7:47:31 PM EDT
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Am I the only one that remembers the .256 Newton?
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 7:49:42 PM EDT
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I suspect this is the most popular correct answer of most answers
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 8:48:54 PM EDT
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I suspect this is the most popular correct answer of most answers
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Also, no one wants long action rifles any more.
I suspect this is the most popular correct answer of most answers
Can't shoot a 6.5-284 from a short action (with out being a single shot)...especially if you want the best use of the 140gr+ bullets...
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:15:31 PM EDT
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because 6.5-284winchester exists.  why even bother?  there are already plenty of ways to burn a barrel out in under 2000 rounds.  who needs another?
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:20:08 PM EDT
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Because it SUCKS! 6.5 bullets are European odd balls, NO ballistic advantage over our tried & true calibers!  People that know, understand this.  Get with it Bud, go buy a .270win!
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also, this statement could not possibly be more factually wrong than it currently is.  way to go, champ.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:21:14 PM EDT
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I've already got two .270s
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Not to be a dick but you cannot out shoot your .270 Win, right?

Start yip yappin when you need more reach due to your practice.

Just Sayin.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:24:11 PM EDT
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LOL.

.264 Win Mag with over 2000 rnds down the tube.

Feel free to guess wrong again.

Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:26:32 PM EDT
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Because it doesn't fill any niches? Just a guess. The grendel essentially gives near 308 performance in a much lighter platform.

The 25-06 has been doing exactly what the 6.5-06 does for decades, so I don't see it being necessary to offer commercially unless the ballistics or projectile selection offers any real advantage. I would say 7mm-06 would be more favorable with the range of projectiles available. A bit of a jump in diameter though.

Edit: meant grendel, not creedmoor.
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.25-06 does not do exactly what a 6.5-06 does.

6.5-06 with a 140gr is the ideal combination for that cartridge, providing a longer PBR, much less wind drift, and easy taking of big game.

.25-06 maxes out with 120gr, poor BCs, but is still a decent cartridge.

Both require a long action to do work that is really short action territory with some type of 6.5mm.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:26:36 PM EDT
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6.5x65?
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:27:17 PM EDT
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Totally different cartridge.

6.5-08 A-Square is basically a .260 Remington.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:28:08 PM EDT
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Its slower than the  6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:30:37 PM EDT
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Because 264 win mag is all that is man. If not that its 6.5 creedmoor or the grendel.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:31:17 PM EDT
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LOL.

.264 Win Mag with over 2000 rnds down the tube.

Feel free to guess wrong again.

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/2014%20Elk/DSC01214_zpse1929bae.jpg
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Does that little guy still have milk on his lips from his mom?
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 10:57:59 PM EDT
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The Swede's had it nailed in the 1800's with the 6.5X55.  A mountainous country with long distance shooting.  Everything after that is just reinventing the wheel.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 11:05:19 PM EDT
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Not much?
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 11:11:06 PM EDT
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This.  Right.  Here.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 11:13:40 PM EDT
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It's called a 280 Remington.
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Because it doesn't fill any niches? Just a guess. The grendel essentially gives near 308 performance in a much lighter platform.

The 25-06 has been doing exactly what the 6.5-06 does for decades, so I don't see it being necessary to offer commercially unless the ballistics or projectile selection offers any real advantage. I would say 7mm-06 would be more favorable with the range of projectiles available. A bit of a jump in diameter though.

Edit: meant grendel, not creed moor.
It's called a 280 Remington.
More like the 270 Winchester
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 11:37:18 PM EDT
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6.5-284 probably kept it from ever existing. Now that the 26 Nosler is in the game there isn't much point. So many 6.5 options exist that unless someone is willing to support it from the ground up (like nosler) it's not worth it.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 11:37:50 PM EDT
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Lol
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 11:47:17 PM EDT
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also, this statement could not possibly be more factually wrong than it currently is.  way to go, champ.
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And the sarcasm went right over your head.
Link Posted: 5/28/2017 11:57:56 PM EDT
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Because it doesn't fill any niches? Just a guess. The grendel essentially gives near 308 performance in a much lighter platform.

The 25-06 has been doing exactly what the 6.5-06 does for decades, so I don't see it being necessary to offer commercially unless the ballistics or projectile selection offers any real advantage. I would say 7mm-06 would be more favorable with the range of projectiles available. A bit of a jump in diameter though.

Edit: meant grendel, not creedmoor.
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I agree. Much as I like the what the 6.5 Creedmoor can do, I would say that when the add the extra powder of the '06 case, you might as well move up to the 7mm bore. 7mm-06 would be a great cartridge, with a long barrel life. 7mm-08 is already a great cartridge, in the '06 case it could likely gain a few hundred fps with the right powder.

Sure, as a 6.5 it would shoot even flatter, but 7mm would strike a great balance of velocity, barrel life, and projectile efficiency.

ETA: Ok, so I did just describe a cartridge that is already out there, 280 Remington. It sounds like a good cartridge on paper, but has not proven to be as popular as it could be. The "280 Ackley Improved" is more along the lines of what I was getting at, a 280 Rem with a steeper shoulder (like a Creedmoor) and loaded to levels just a bit below 7mm Magnum.
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