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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:08:53 AM EDT
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At least those guys are going for measurable results If they were buying tungsten inserts for the straight screw slots in their stock screws for $1000 and claiming it smoothed recoil allowing for straighter firing pin travel due to less vibration You might have a comparison Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are obviously ignorant of the the geek end of the precision rifle cult... If they were buying tungsten inserts for the straight screw slots in their stock screws for $1000 and claiming it smoothed recoil allowing for straighter firing pin travel due to less vibration You might have a comparison |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:10:32 AM EDT
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I think the realization I had at one time is that it's not hard to reach the level where the room becomes more of a negative to the listening experience than any amount of money can make up for. I've had the chance to sit in some absolutely insane dedicated "listening" rooms with speakers that cost as much as an Italian Sports cars, and it was a good enough of an experience to make the hairs on my arm stand on end just thinking back to it. I would love to have regular access to something even close to its, but I'm a few hundred million short of reaching that point. I think room design and acoustic treatments have far more value for dollar than your amplifiers, speakers, When I was growing up we had a TV room with a horrendously overpriced Bose surround system (cube speakers with no midrange). It wasn't great, but it was fine for watching TV and movies. Eventually my folks replaced the carpet with laminate flooring and the acoustics of the room were so completely wrecked that you had to crank movies up to 11 to understand the dialog. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:10:51 AM EDT
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You can measure audio, it just that audiophiles don't do it. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:11:38 AM EDT
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You can measure audio, it just that audiophiles don't do it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are obviously ignorant of the the geek end of the precision rifle cult... If they were buying tungsten inserts for the straight screw slots in their stock screws for $1000 and claiming it smoothed recoil allowing for straighter firing pin travel due to less vibration You might have a comparison |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:14:24 AM EDT
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I mean, you can measure aspects of audio, but can you really objectively measure "Sound" or is it something more reliant on emotional aspects. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can measure audio, it just that audiophiles don't do it. How a person feels and the mood they are in most definitely has an affect on audio perception. Edit: I know there are running bets for people to bring in their 10,000 speakers cables and have them double blind tested with 12 gauge stranded or chicken wire. No one will do it. Is it the amazing randy that has the bet going? |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:14:26 AM EDT
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As a senior in HS, I watched our band teacher cry like a baby while he conducted us at our final concert. We were playing the 4th movement of Beethoven's Fifth symphony. Some really hard shit... We had worked on it for 6 months, with lots of ups and downs. We nailed it during the concert. It was an amazing experience. 
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:15:37 AM EDT
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Correct. They won't do double blind tests or quantitative measurements. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:18:31 AM EDT
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I've been there, I was a band nerd too. I've attended and even participated in a few live performances that took words away. My point was I've seen so many reviews of high end equipment where the source material is pop/rock - if Billy Joel live doesn't make you cry but listening to a recording of a concert does... you're full of shit Listening to music in an isolated environment can be infinitely more personal than something like a concert(which I personally have problems getting truly immersed in). But yah, most people are full of shit. Buy my cables, they'll change your life! |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:18:44 AM EDT
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I would love a comprehensive video on this. Invite 10-20 popular members of Audiophile boards/blogs, and have them blind test a number of equipment(various mixtures of amps and headphones/speakers) and post the results. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Correct. They won't do double blind tests or quantitative measurements. What are most audiophiles? Middle aged men... |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:19:55 AM EDT
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I've been there, I was a band nerd too. I've attended and even participated in a few live performances that took words away. My point was I've seen so many reviews of high end equipment where the source material is pop/rock - if Billy Joel live doesn't make you cry but listening to a recording of a concert does... you're full of shit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a senior in HS, I watched our band teacher cry like a baby while he conducted us at our final concert. We were playing the 4th movement of Beethoven's Fifth symphony. Some really hard shit... We had worked on it for 6 months, with lots of ups and downs. We nailed it during the concert. It was an amazing experience. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:23:38 AM EDT
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They all would flat out refuse. As I said, middle aged men have the shittiest human hearing acuity. Teenage girls have the best. What are most audiophiles? Middle aged men... 
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:26:18 AM EDT
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Unfortunately you are right. Would make for some great content though. https://i.imgur.com/uzPoDew.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They all would flat out refuse. As I said, middle aged men have the shittiest human hearing acuity. Teenage girls have the best. What are most audiophiles? Middle aged men... https://i.imgur.com/uzPoDew.jpg Don't even get me started about Audioquest shit... Edit: a diamond picture... 
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:33:25 AM EDT
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Unfortunately you are right. Would make for some great content though. https://i.imgur.com/uzPoDew.jpg |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:38:59 AM EDT
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https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/1514556538809067810.gif I just wish I had fuck you money, so I could buy a set of Orpheus and only listen to music through YouTube on them while posting on all the audiophile forums. 
Reproduce Metalica "Shit in the Shed tour" at Ionia at 99%, and the audiophiles will get my respect. 
Considering it was raining like a cow pissing on a flat rock, cold, and the sound was as tight as a modern album, it ain't gonna happen. Next week, there's a gain twist 1/3 newton form barrel in 1-6.7 lined up to shoot .264's from custom dies...indoors. Forgive me if Steely Dan, Lighnin' Hopkins, and Bob Seger aren't run through 50K worth of bullshit in the back ground.;) Best we can do is a late 80's Panasonic Boom box. 
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:41:54 AM EDT
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It's like an audio wire python that is digesting all the sounds and shitting them out into the speakers. Don't even get me started about Audioquest shit... Edit: a diamond picture... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/16625/IMG-0347-171923.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's like an audio wire python that is digesting all the sounds and shitting them out into the speakers. Don't even get me started about Audioquest shit... Edit: a diamond picture... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/16625/IMG-0347-171923.jpg Quoted:
Complete garbage setup. They're not even using gold plated outlets! |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:43:34 AM EDT
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Complete garbage setup. They're not even using gold plated outlets! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unfortunately you are right. Would make for some great content though. https://i.imgur.com/uzPoDew.jpg |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:49:47 AM EDT
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Funny thing is when recordings are made, they use regular old cables. Maybe balanced, but none of this thousand dollar a foot crap peddled by the snake oil salesmen. And that power cable in the walls? Regular old cable. And the power lines into the house? Regular old cable. Just like a lot of movies, if you think too hard about it, everything just falls apart. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unfortunately you are right. Would make for some great content though. https://i.imgur.com/uzPoDew.jpg |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:50:13 AM EDT
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You're going to make me emotional. Almost snagged a pair of B+W Towers a couple of years ago for an amazing deal. I forget the exact model, but it was the one that was running around $12-14K before the announcement of the D3 series. Kind of regret not doing it. I only power my speakers with solar power. I find petroleum based energy to be too warm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's like an audio wire python that is digesting all the sounds and shitting them out into the speakers. Don't even get me started about Audioquest shit... Edit: a diamond picture... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/16625/IMG-0347-171923.jpg Quoted:
Complete garbage setup. They're not even using gold plated outlets! The 805D3s are paired with a set of Rythmik F12 direct servo subwoofers. The sound it breathtaking. I have Realtrap bass traps in the four corners of my listening room. Flatten out the bass spikes nicely. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:51:25 AM EDT
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Funny thing is when recordings are made, they use regular old cables. Maybe balanced, but none of this thousand dollar a foot crap peddled by the snake oil salesmen. And that power cable in the walls? Regular old cable. And the power lines into the house? Regular old cable. Just like a lot of movies, if you think too hard about it, everything just falls apart. Need to go put my head shielding on. 
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:52:23 AM EDT
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I mean, you can measure aspects of audio, but can you really objectively measure "Sound" or is it something more reliant on emotional aspects. I was a kid at Cobo Hall, when Seger's "Live Bullet" was recorded. I have heard the recording on everything from Pioneer and Alpine Stereos, to high end Klipsh set ups. The absolute closest has been from the Sansui deck on 70's Yamaha Speakers in my own Barn. Old Cobo was bottomless and changed everything. No technology can reproduce the sound, without the physical aspect. I know what I saw and heard. No dweeb is going to reproduce it in their living room.
Damn if I can in the Barn either.
It can't be done, and there is no math to do so. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:53:52 AM EDT
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God, your post is causing so much signal noise that I'm developing a headache. Need to go put my head shielding on. https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-06-2014/kZgmqy.gif Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Funny thing is when recordings are made, they use regular old cables. Maybe balanced, but none of this thousand dollar a foot crap peddled by the snake oil salesmen. And that power cable in the walls? Regular old cable. And the power lines into the house? Regular old cable. Just like a lot of movies, if you think too hard about it, everything just falls apart. Need to go put my head shielding on. https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-06-2014/kZgmqy.gif |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:55:47 AM EDT
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You're going to make me emotional. Almost snagged a pair of B+W Towers a couple of years ago for an amazing deal. I forget the exact model, but it was the one that was running around $12-14K before the announcement of the D3 series. Kind of regret not doing it. I only power my speakers with solar power. I find petroleum based energy to be too warm. 
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:56:39 AM EDT
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Audiophiles are the reason I have a 5.1 Fluance speaker system, a refurbished Sony receiver and a 72" rear-projection TV, all for less than $1k.
I quit listening to them and went with Amazon reviews
Sounds better than my local cinema to me. I don't care if you like it 
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:57:00 AM EDT
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It's funny when you discuss this stuff with "Audiophiles" and they just vapor lock. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 2:58:15 AM EDT
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In my experience they fall back to the "muh great hearing". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's funny when you discuss this stuff with "Audiophiles" and they just vapor lock. 
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Posted: 5/28/2017 3:03:28 AM EDT
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Dude....get up here and Beer is on me!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yup, those damned middle aged men and their superman hearing. 
Did you just assume their gender? |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 3:09:16 AM EDT
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Come down here, I'll bring machine guns. https://img.ifcdn.com/images/7f8535bc7f688cb0710c48553a6ff0f8e7e0de8eed667457cfc459576b33af7c_6.jpg Did you just assume their gender? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yup, those damned middle aged men and their superman hearing. Did you just assume their gender? |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 3:24:23 AM EDT
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4kw/8ohms per channel, 2ohms stable ! 190k pair .I would buy it
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Posted: 5/28/2017 3:25:36 AM EDT
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Come down here, I'll bring machine guns. https://img.ifcdn.com/images/7f8535bc7f688cb0710c48553a6ff0f8e7e0de8eed667457cfc459576b33af7c_6.jpg Did you just assume their gender?
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Posted: 5/28/2017 3:34:59 AM EDT
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Truth. I was a kid at Cobo Hall, when Seger's "Live Bullet" was recorded. My favorite live album ever and an all time classic. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 3:37:21 AM EDT
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Yep, it would be akin to gun guys buying $1500/oz gun oil because of some perceived benefit. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 3:41:41 AM EDT
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Unfortunately you are right. Would make for some great content though. https://i.imgur.com/uzPoDew.jpg ...but lets minimize the inductive interference over 3 feet of wire from the wall to the device. That'll make a difference. 
I bet you $1 that device has a basic 4-diode bridge rectifier inside of it. Edit: Beaten like an oscilloscope at audiophile summer camp.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 3:53:50 AM EDT
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That's where double blind tests come into play. "Audiophiles" refuse to participate because they will be proven to be full of shit. How a person feels and the mood they are in most definitely has an affect on audio perception. Edit: I know there are running bets for people to bring in their 10,000 speakers cables and have them double blind tested with 12 gauge stranded or chicken wire. No one will do it. Is it the amazing randy that has the bet going? https://www.stereophile.com/thinkpieces/021708swiftboat/ |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 5:42:51 AM EDT
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Yeah James Randi, but he has been called on it and backed out. Micheal Fremer wanted to do it, but Randi kept changing the goalposts and tried to blame Fremer. I lost a lot of respect for Randi when he pulled that BS https://www.stereophile.com/thinkpieces/021708swiftboat/ After cruising around reading articles and comments on that site for awhile it seems I have found a community of people even more cunty than photography blogs. Didn't think that was possible. Makes for great entertainment. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 5:46:35 AM EDT
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Havent read the rest of the replies but I would say benchrest shooters.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 7:27:19 AM EDT
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Bought a Schiit Stack for temporary use until the new Sennheiser HDV820 is actually released on the market. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 7:39:35 AM EDT
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If you're into vintage audio, check out audiokarma.com. They have a nice EE, but you have to be a paying member.
The Arfcom of Vintage Audio |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 7:46:36 AM EDT
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I think an alumnum foil deflector beany would be cheaper to stop " the interference...."
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Posted: 5/28/2017 7:51:00 AM EDT
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4kw/8ohms per channel, 2ohms stable ! 190k pair .I would buy it
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jjq534BBHpg/WGjfwoaKUpI/AAAAAAAB2kY/wjP8dewsI64Wqk5Z_XDXW6SQi7kZ8MTBQCK4B/s1600/analog_domain_apollo_power_amplifier_review_matej_isak_2016_2017_mono_and_stereo_high_end_audio_review_test_%2B-%2B1-1.jpg
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Posted: 5/28/2017 8:02:22 AM EDT
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I sold audio equipment in the early 80s. I loved the people who claimed to be audiophiles. once I learned to speak their language I made a lot of money!
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Posted: 5/28/2017 8:07:19 AM EDT
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Now that I think about it parallels can certainly be drawn between the PR crowd and Audiophiles. Hell, get a few PR guys in an argument about barrel break in and it is probably indistinguishable from an argument about Speaker break in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are obviously ignorant of the the geek end of the precision rifle cult... Audiophiles are idiots. They deal with the intangible, and are limited by their own subjectivity, while having no actual physical control of the instrument of their objective. Precision rifle geeks, laugh at NASA, and physics professors. Old warehouses in sketchy parts of town are rented, so exterior ballistic theory can be proved in a Vaccum....legality's be damned. Terminal Ballistics are field proven by adjusting velocitys for POI, by planning range and atmospherics, using a modified Muzzle loader, and animals are dropped under hard won legal permits. No Audiophile has ever subjected themselves to -60F to expand the knowledge base of air. Precision rifle Geeks are the ultimate Geeks. They can back up their Geekdom with hard won data. The closest thing to Audiophiles in the Gun subculture, are the IPSC dweebs. Fashion rules. Hell, get a few PR guys in an argument about barrel break in and it is probably indistinguishable from an argument about Speaker break in. Competitive bench rest can't be compared. Experiments are abandoned immediately if they don't produce results measured in a match. The details that go into the rifle and ammunition are the necessary work required to win. Those are also measurable, and are measured. A shooter that has the drive to win does the work and spends what it takes c for those tiny incremental improvements. Fly fishermen would be worse gear queers, but they have to carry everything. So their money gets concentrated into less volume and weight than the audio folks. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 8:21:54 AM EDT
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Wow I didn't know anything about audiophiles before clicking this thread. This is some interesting stuff.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 8:28:30 AM EDT
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Shielding. Can't have any infetterance. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/275845/audiophiles-and-their-crazy-collections-1-218058.jpg |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 8:40:59 AM EDT
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God, your post is causing so much signal noise that I'm developing a headache. Need to go put my head shielding on. https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-06-2014/kZgmqy.gif Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Funny thing is when recordings are made, they use regular old cables. Maybe balanced, but none of this thousand dollar a foot crap peddled by the snake oil salesmen. And that power cable in the walls? Regular old cable. And the power lines into the house? Regular old cable. Just like a lot of movies, if you think too hard about it, everything just falls apart. Need to go put my head shielding on. https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-06-2014/kZgmqy.gif
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Posted: 5/28/2017 8:49:02 AM EDT
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You are obviously ignorant of the the geek end of the precision rifle cult... Audiophiles are idiots. They deal with the intangible, and are limited by their own subjectivity, while having no actual physical control of the instrument of their objective. Precision rifle geeks, laugh at NASA, and physics professors. Old warehouses in sketchy parts of town are rented, so exterior ballistic theory can be proved in a Vaccum....legality's be damned. Terminal Ballistics are field proven by adjusting velocitys for POI, by planning range and atmospherics, using a modified Muzzle loader, and animals are dropped under hard won legal permits. No Audiophile has ever subjected themselves to -60F to expand the knowledge base of air. Precision rifle Geeks are the ultimate Geeks. They can back up their Geekdom with hard won data. The closest thing to Audiophiles in the Gun subculture, are the IPSC dweebs. Fashion rules. And so are hard core PRS guys. Got banned from a FB group when someone asked whether or Not cold bore shift was real. Told him to go shoot his damn rifle to figure it out. Turns out he was a marine sniper and PRS guy. Apparently he never shot a rifle either lol. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 9:01:40 AM EDT
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Some racers are this way as well . Back when I was crew chief of a circle track car that won a lot we wrapped the rear springs in electrical tape . Within 2 weeks 5 other cars had done the same thing. We did it strictly as a joke.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 9:04:44 AM EDT
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Yep, it would be akin to gun guys buying $1500/oz gun oil because of some perceived benefit. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 9:08:55 AM EDT
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I am a shooter, retired aircraft wrench and road cyclist. I can still tell you that XM sat radio has shifty sound quality but it stops there.
Road cycling is hell on your hearing. The constant wind noise rumbling in your ears is actually pretty bad for your hearing. Harley riders with no helmets or just top caps have the same issue with the loud pipes added for effect. Long range shooters could be like audiophiles but they normally have data to back up their claims. The audio crowd does not have shit that a human could detect. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 9:13:26 AM EDT
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Bro, do you even $380,000 speakers? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d5/46/52/d5465207af2602c839fb82ed2fcce89c.jpg |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 9:15:05 AM EDT
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What the hell are those? Creatures from the Vincent Price movie "The Tingler?"
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